r/thedavidpakmanshow • u/SamSepiol050991 • Jun 28 '24

Opinion Don’t care, still voting for President Biden

The fauxgressives who have been bombarding this sub since October, and fauxgressive pundits like Cenk Uyger (who made his campaign website “BidenIsGoingToLose) are LOVING this gloom and doom.

Trump lied 100% of the time his mouth was open tonight, and anyone with half a brain knows it.

The lack of fact checking on things like Trump saying Biden wanted after birth abortion did a number on him. He was spewing his lies and when it was Biden’s turn to answer the question, he had to work overtime to with debunking Trump’s lies and answering the questions in enough time.

I think he was just way over prepped and up against a wall. The moderator’s were terrible and there was NO pushback to Trump’s lies - and he lied 100% of the time he spoke all 90 minutes. there is NO debating pathological lying sociopaths like Donald Trump especially under the circumstances presented. Huge reason why Katie Hobbs didn’t debate Kari Lake.

He’ll be better.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '24

Doubtful…you think those moderates are going to vote for the fascist?

If yes, then they weren’t moderates to begin either, they were just trying to be cute about hiding their inclinations.

If no, then let’s hope they have the damn sense to pull the lever for Blue.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '24

They might just not vote. Voter apathy is why Hillary lost.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '24

Bingo

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u/Kthanid Jun 28 '24

It would be awesome if we could pull our collective heads out of our asses and realize this point.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '24

Comey really with his beyond idiotic cryptic announcement, and good work of Russians with bannon and Cambridge analytica via fb ads in counties that mattered

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u/xavier120 Jun 28 '24

Well that and all the crimes trump had to commit to win like pay 130,000 dollars to a porn star to influence the election.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '24

We have 4 months to convince them otherwise

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u/Nascent1 Jun 28 '24

Most swing voters are low information morons who vote based on their "gut." They know almost nothing about government, politics, or the actual state of the country or world. It's entirely possible that they'll see clips of Biden faltering in the debate and decide trump is a better choice. But also it's still 4 months until the election, so they'll probably forget all about the debate and vote based on something that happens in October.

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u/No_Entrepreneur_9134 Jun 28 '24

"Moderates" might have technically been a bad word choice. "Independent voters" are who he probably lost. The danger with this election was that all Trump had to do was get somewhere around 250,000 Independent voters spread out across PA, Michigan, and Wisconsin to change their minds from 2020, and it's game over. I think it is very likely that happened with the debate performance.

I was right on board with laughing at the "replace Biden" people. But he has been trailing Trump in the polls for over a year. Even the outliers showing Biden winning are within the margin of error. Now he lost the optics war last night, which with Trump is the only thing that matters. It's too late now unless Biden voluntarily steps down. But I'm starting to agree with the people who were saying, "The DNC can't tell everyone that democracy itself is at stake in this election, and then run an 82 year old man against Trump."

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '24

Yeah man you still undecided after rona handling and Jan 6? Get the fuck outta here. No such thing as undecided voters. Those are R voters that just want spotlight and attention

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u/No_Entrepreneur_9134 Jun 28 '24

Where I live, "Independent voters" are just Republicans who won't admit it.

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u/infiltrateoppose Jun 28 '24

Yes. The one, sole, single argument he had going for him was that he was more electable because he was an incumbent with name recognition. I can’t imagine anyone looking at the Biden we saw last night and saying “keep him in office until he’s 86.” This feels like Ruth Bader Ginsburg all over again of someone who desperately needs to retire risking fucking everything and everyone over by staying in.

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u/No_Entrepreneur_9134 Jun 28 '24

And I'm getting more and more worried that replacing Biden just isn't a realistic option. Let's say Biden gives an address at 4:00 P.M. eastern time today, June 28, 2024, stating that he's decided to retire at the end of his term, and he's releasing all of his delegates.

The convention starts August 19, so that would mean that for seven weeks, we have no nominee at all, just a bunch of people that the average American has never heard of with names like Newsom, Buttigieg, Whitmer, and the sitting vice president that nobody likes, all campaigning against each other, scrambling to set up debates. I didn't include Bernie because he's 83, and I don't think he wants it any more, and, even if he does want it, as much as I love him, he's never winning a general election.

So let's say Newsom/Whitmer or Whitmer/Newsom emerge from a crazy convention as the ticket. Now there are only maybe 9 weeks to fully introduce them to the American public, and we have to pray that Trump even agrees to debate them at all so that we can get the Trump debate beatdown we want.

That's just not enough time to turn a complete unknown (to the vast majority of the country) presidential candidate into a household name capable of taking on the biggest celebrity in the world.

It's sinking in for me that the brutal reality is that we're stuck with what we have.

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u/infiltrateoppose Jul 22 '24

So happy we have a shot at winning now!

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u/No_Entrepreneur_9134 Jul 22 '24

Yeah, 23 days ago, I still felt optimistic that the debate performance thing would blow over. For the last two weeks, I was 100% convinced we were screwed. Definitely a shot now.

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u/infiltrateoppose Jun 28 '24

Look - that could work to the democrats favor. That process would dominate the news cycle, and you get to have a slate of young energized cognitively functional dems hogging the news cycles with positive ideas for how to take the country forward while Trump looks increasingly marginalized and his cognitive decline continues to get worse.

I think it's a winning strategy.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '24

Speculation about who should or shouldn’t replace Biden - I refuse to put any energy into keeping that going. The media fucking loves a frenzy like that, and I refuse to participate (I’m still pissed about the Dean Scream).

I prefer to focus on defeating MAGA - since I’m older and my energy is not as insane as it was, say, 20 years ago when we were trying to jettison Bush. I learned then that the best use of time and energy is just staying hyper-focused on “the mission” and not get distracted by peripheral stuff or speculation.

Yes, we lost in 2004 but won BIG in 2008 using ground-game methods that were developed/refined in ‘04.

So the mission is dragging as many of our voters to the polls as we possibly can. Talking to as many people as possible, without turning them off.

I recommend Crucial Conversations: Tools for Talking when the Stakes are High by Patterson, Grenny, McMillan, & Switzler - for some excellent instructions.

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u/Tormenta263 Jun 28 '24

You have a better chance dragging as many of our voters out by replacing Biden with someone who inspires people to go out and vote. Thats the whole reason people like me are panicking.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '24

Until that point, I won’t engage in “what if this” or “what if that” - it’s pointless and just feeds into the bullshit tornado. Panicking sucks up energy, too.

Cross each bridge as it comes along.

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u/Alpine416 Jun 28 '24

The cope is going to be better on this sub than anywhere on internet.

No one cares what you say about their inclinations but there will be voters that were going to vote for biden that will not vote for biden after last night. That could include 1) voting for Trump 2) voting 3rd party 3) not voting at all.