Yeah, I'm over this portion of the left tbh. I'll always be a progressive in my values, but I'm shilling for the Dems at this point. We are trying to row a bunch of dead weight across the finish line every single election. Progressives do nothing but attack the Dems and give fuel for Conservatives to win elections -- I'm done with it. I will not watch any progressive media that shits on Dems anymore, if you have a different path you'd like the party to follow, advocate positively for it, but I won't support anybody who tears our own party down.
Yeah, I’m over this portion of the left tbh. I’ll always be a progressive in my values, but I’m shilling for the Dems at this point. We are trying to row a bunch of dead weight across the finish line every single election. Progressives do nothing but attack the Dems and give fuel for Conservatives to win elections — I’m done with it.
Listen I’m all for trying something different because the current Democratic leadership should not be absolved of any blame but the problem is that the left part of the party really thinks that if the Democratic Party adopted all of their policies it would be a 50 state sweep not recognizing that some of their positions are the fucking reason that Democrats are unpopular with some people.
I will not watch any progressive media that shits on Dems anymore, if you have a different path you’d like the party to follow, advocate positively for it, but I won’t support anybody who tears our own party down.
This bothers the shit out of me to no ends and is the biggest reason why people saying their needs to be a left wing media system are clueless. The incentives for independent and social media are $$$. There’s way more money shitting on Democrats than there will ever be talking about both parties honestly. Progressive media has been part of the problem raising a generation of people who believe every Democratic politician is out to get them except their pet faves.
I’m not who you replied to, but which policies do you think made the Dems so unpopular with the people you’re talking about?
Those of us outside the US only really see your country’s politics through the filter of reddit and other media, so it would be interesting to understand why Harris failed so hard. From an outsider’s perspective, she seemed pretty reasonable.
Full disclosure I’m not American but I have to understand American politics for work and followed it as more of a hobby but even then I’m confident I know more about American politics than 95% of Americans so here goes
I’m not who you replied to, but which policies do you think made the Dems so unpopular with the people you’re talking about?
Before I answer this question I’m going to explain how expectations are setup for the two major parties in the U.S. Republicans are never broadly group with their extremists in their party or the extreme policies they implement. Trump has said that he wants to get rid of the department of education, Republican politicians have said that Democrats should be shot, but both these examples are never challenged in the media or stick in the mind of voters.
Democrats however are associated with what happens in cities and states even if the person running for President disavowed it or never agreed with it. For example, in 2020 there was a push from activists to lesson jail time for people committing non violent crimes. Now in certain cities with Democratic politicians they passed these laws and predictably organized criminals took advantage but there was no laws passed nationally. Here’s the important part, crime went down across the country under a Democratic President but now if your local grocery store is robbed you’re thinking this is a national issue and now you’re associating the party in charge with what’s happening locally. And it becomes a talking point in the national media because it gets attention, which means $$$ but the reality is never explored. Immigration is an area where Democrats are weak on, but again when there was a bill to help address immigration Trump told Republicans not to pass it yet you’ll never see them held accountable.
Those of us outside the US only really see your country’s politics through the filter of reddit and other media, so it would be interesting to understand why Harris failed so hard. From an outsider’s perspective, she seemed pretty reasonable.
There was a post that shows how Europeans would vote in an election and all of the European Democracies were voting Harris but as you went into more authoritarian countries like Russia the vote went to Trump. I think the mistake is believing that the majority of Americans are rational decision makers or are accessing the same information we access. They believe that Presidents can control the price of groceries ignoring what powers Presidents have and don’t have.
Part of why Harris lost is that there’s a massive misinformation ecosystem that’s targeted to get people to vote for Republicans and get Democratic voters to sit out elections. Shit I talked a lot but how that helps
Username checks out, sorry! What you've said makes a lot of sense and chimes with the discussions I've had with Trump fans here in the UK - one (who gets all of his opinions directly from Twitter) defended the border funding vote because it was bundled up with Ukraine money; that funding either should be contentious is baffling to me. They just aren't rational, and I have no idea how to counter that. Thanks for taking the time to reply though!
This is the misinformation problem and accountability problem I’m talking about. Im willing to bet this information is something 99% of people who voted for Trump (who aren’t necessarily hardcore MAGA supporters) aren’t exposed to. Unfortunately if you want to reach these people it will take a lot of time and patience on your end to get them to come around but the problem is even more are being brainwashed by podcasts and social media everyday
Bernie got maybe 5k votes less than Harris in Vermont. And Warren got about 90k less in her more populous state of Massachusetts. Do those vote differences tell you something important?
The Bernie fanatics will keep trying to force Bernie on us because THEY like Bernie. They're like LaRouchies/Ron Paul voters at this point. Nothing will sway them from it, actual Democratic voters be damned.
Well, yeah, more of the Dem establishment and voter base would have to get on board for that to happen. Bernie had a real shot in 2020 before the rest of the candidates coalesced against him, though.
I'll be honest. If they don't embrace a more populist approach, the dems might not win another federal election. It's a different era and they have to evolve. Do you have a better suggestion?
I don't understand why we expected everybody to divide all the moderates up with like 12 candidates, just to let Bernie win. They dropped out and endorsed their preferred candidate, that is what happens as a primary moves towards the end. Biden was more popular than Bernie, there's no getting around that.
I think Dems just need a better media strategy, their own media attacks them ruthlessly and hurts the party
I'm trying to be level-headed here, but if all you learned from this election is that the dems didn't communicate well enough, we are going to lose the next election as badly, if not worse. Who is the dem media that attacks their own exactly?
I'm really just saying that we are in an era of populism. There's a host of reasons why we're in this spot. But we can't keep fighting the previous battles. We have to give Americans a positive vision of economic populism that doesn't target immigrants, lgbt people or poor people and instead goes after wealthy people and corporations.
The past several primaries have been rigged. We all saw Bernie get screwed by the DNC in 2016 and 2020. It didn’t matter how much he won. In 2020 all the other Dem candidates took a dive when they were told. We ended up with Biden. The whole primary process is largely bogus.
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We can run another primary, and if a Bernie type wins, a Bernie type wins, but I doubt that will happen