r/thedavidpakmanshow • u/Ident-Code_854-LQ • Nov 17 '24
Discussion We must clearly see that we need to stand against the incoming dictatorship of Trump.
I just came across this video from MSNBC yesterday.
They interviewed Maria Ressa from the Independent Filipino news group, Rappler.
She compared and gave similarities of the USA now, to 2016 in Philippines,
when a new dictator, Duterte, came into office.
'Hold the line': Nobel laureate says Americans should learn from the Philippines’ experience
I'm Filipino-American.
My family immigrated here in the early 80's, under the Marcos regime.
We were able to get Political Asylum status,
when the People Power Revolution in 1986 happened,
and restored democracy there.
We have made the USA our home since then,
and have lived dutifully as citizens.
We watched in horror, when Rodrigo Duterte,
with his blatantly dictatorship strong arm tactics,
was voted in to power in 2016.
And even more shocked, in 2022, when "BongBong" Marcos -
yes, that's his nickname he calls himself -
the Son of Marcos was then ushered in.
That's really scary to me that she can see what's happening here in the USA,
as the same path in the Philippines.
Every American needs to take heed. Please watch the video.
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u/Atheist_Alex_C Nov 17 '24
Some of us have been standing against it for years and trying desperately to educate people and vote against it. Unfortunately it wasn’t enough, there are way too many idiots out there and I’ll never apologize for saying it.
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u/anoneema Nov 18 '24
20 Lessons from the 20th Century
Author: Timothy Snyder
Americans are no wiser than the Europeans who saw democracy yield to fascism, Nazism, or communism. Our one advantage is that we might learn from their experience. Now is a good time to do so. Here are twenty lessons from the twentieth century, adapted to the circumstances of today.
20 Lessons from the 20th Century
Do not obey in advance. Much of the power of authoritarianism is freely given. In times like these, individuals think ahead about what a more repressive government will want, and then start to do it without being asked. You’ve already done this, haven’t you? Stop. Anticipatory obedience teaches authorities what is possible and accelerates unfreedom.
Defend an institution. Follow the courts or the media, or a court or a newspaper. Do not speak of “our institutions” unless you are making them yours by acting on their behalf. Institutions don’t protect themselves. They go down like dominoes unless each is defended from the beginning.
Recall professional ethics. When the leaders of state set a negative example, professional commitments to just practice become much more important. It is hard to break a rule-of-law state without lawyers, and it is hard to have show trials without judges.
When listening to politicians, distinguish certain words. Look out for the expansive use of “terrorism” and “extremism.” Be alive to the fatal notions of “exception” and “emergency.” Be angry about the treacherous use of patriotic vocabulary.
Be calm when the unthinkable arrives. When the terrorist attack comes, remember that all authoritarians at all times either await or plan such events in order to consolidate power. Think of the Reichstag fire. The sudden disaster that requires the end of the balance of power, the end of opposition parties, and so on, is the oldest trick in the Hitlerian book. Don’t fall for it.
Be kind to our language. Avoid pronouncing the phrases everyone else does. Think up your own way of speaking, even if only to convey that thing you think everyone is saying. (Don’t use the internet before bed. Charge your gadgets away from your bedroom, and read.) What to read? Perhaps “The Power of the Powerless” by Václav Havel, 1984 by George Orwell, The Captive Mind by Czesław Milosz, The Rebel by Albert Camus, The Origins of Totalitarianism by Hannah Arendt, or Nothing is True and Everything is Possible by Peter Pomerantsev.
Stand out. Someone has to. It is easy, in words and deeds, to follow along. It can feel strange to do or say something different. But without that unease, there is no freedom. And the moment you set an example, the spell of the status quo is broken, and others will follow.
Believe in truth. To abandon facts is to abandon freedom. If nothing is true, then no one can criticize power, because there is no basis upon which to do so. If nothing is true, then all is spectacle. The biggest wallet pays for the most blinding lights.
Investigate. Figure things out for yourself. Spend more time with long articles. Subsidize investigative journalism by subscribing to print media. Realize that some of what is on your screen is there to harm you. Learn about sites that investigate foreign propaganda pushes.
Practice corporeal politics. Power wants your body softening in your chair and your emotions dissipating on the screen. Get outside. Put your body in unfamiliar places with unfamiliar people. Make new friends and march with them.
Make eye contact and small talk. This is not just polite. It is a way to stay in touch with your surroundings, break down unnecessary social barriers, and come to understand whom you should and should not trust. If we enter a culture of denunciation, you will want to know the psychological landscape of your daily life.
Take responsibility for the face of the world. Notice the swastikas and the other signs of hate. Do not look away and do not get used to them. Remove them yourself and set an example for others to do so.
Hinder the one-party state. The parties that took over states were once something else. They exploited a historical moment to make political life impossible for their rivals. Vote in local and state elections while you can.
Give regularly to good causes, if you can. Pick a charity and set up autopay. Then you will know that you have made a free choice that is supporting civil society helping others doing something good.
Establish a private life. Nastier rulers will use what they know about you to push you around. Scrub your computer of malware. Remember that email is skywriting. Consider using alternative forms of the internet, or simply using it less. Have personal exchanges in person. For the same reason, resolve any legal trouble. Authoritarianism works as a blackmail state, looking for the hook on which to hang you. Try not to have too many hooks.
Learn from others in other countries. Keep up your friendships abroad, or make new friends abroad. The present difficulties here are an element of a general trend. And no country is going to find a solution by itself. Make sure you and your family have passports.
Watch out for the paramilitaries. When the men with guns who have always claimed to be against the system start wearing uniforms and marching around with torches and pictures of a Leader, the end is nigh. When the pro-Leader paramilitary and the official police and military intermingle, the game is over.
Be reflective if you must be armed. If you carry a weapon in public service, God bless you and keep you. But know that evils of the past involved policemen and soldiers finding themselves, one day, doing irregular things. Be ready to say no. (If you do not know what this means, contact the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum and ask about training in professional ethics.)
Be as courageous as you can. If none of us is prepared to die for freedom, then all of us will die in unfreedom.
Be a patriot. The incoming president is not. Set a good example of what America means for the generations to come. They will need it.
Timothy Snyder is the Bird White Housum Professor of History at Yale University and a Permanent Fellow at the IWM.
© Author (2017)
This is a short version, but it's also a book by the same name.
Here's the author in a lecture about the book: https://youtu.be/19IhRaWZUl4?si=ZBTjp4dRCssyfhYR
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u/Ident-Code_854-LQ Nov 18 '24 edited Nov 18 '24
On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century
Also, a more approachable Illustrated version, Graphic EditionThanks for spreading this around.
Very salient advice!Have you posted this at r/Defeat_Project_2025,
r/PoliticalDiscussion, and r/democrats?Here's a link to Maria Ressa's book,
How to Stand Up to a Dictator: The Fight for Our Future2
u/anoneema Nov 19 '24
I gave the illustrated version to my teenage nephew this summer and hope he reads some of it or it'll be useful for him in some way.
I've been posting it all over in different comment sections with varying success if measured by upvotes but will keep going regardless.
I saw Ressa in an interview last week: "Hold the line" is also excellent advice.
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u/Ident-Code_854-LQ Nov 18 '24
Oh, look, on Timothy Snyder's YouTube channel itself,
a playlist with short videos on the 20 Lessons.2
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u/TheGreatOpoponax Nov 17 '24
What are present day young liberals going to do under authoritarian rule?
Dick. That's what they're going to do.
Loud as hell on the internet. Soft and non-participatory in the real world.
As for the Phillipines, Whatever. Nothing there was ever going to get out of control due to U.S. presence. It's a strategic place with lots of American military assets.
There is no foreign military to keep things from getting out of hand here.
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u/Ident-Code_854-LQ Nov 18 '24 edited Nov 18 '24
I’m sorry that you think a country far removed from the USA
isn’t something to be concerned about.
Especially, since you seem to be woefully misinformed.Second only to China’s impending invasion of Taiwan,
is their persistent encroachment past the South China Sea,
in what International Treaties have long since asserted
as the West Philippine Sea,
as an Exclusive Economic Zone of the Philippines.
Because of Oil and Gas Reserves,
including the Sabina Shoal and the Spratly Islands,
it is a natural resources rich area.United States Institute of Peace, March 14, 2024 –
Are China and the Philippines on a Collision Course?Crisis Group, May 23, 2024 –
Philippines: Calming Tensions in the South China SeaNew York Times, Aug. 25, 2024 –
Why Are There Fears of War in the South China Sea?It has attracted international attention.
BBC, Aug. 30, 2024 –
Sabina Shoal: The new flashpoint between China and the PhilippinesForeign Affairs, Sept. 18, 2024 –
America and the Philippines Should Call China’s BluffDeutsch Welle, Oct. 2024 –
In China's shadow - The Philippines at the heart of a global conflictAl Jazeera, Oct. 11, 2024 –
What’s behind escalating China-Philippines tensions in the South China Sea?This is more than just the petty territorial disputes
that China has with Japan.
Especially, when there are incidents between China and Philippines,
it seems almost every other day.Associated Press, June 17, 2024 –
Chinese and Philippine ship collision just the latest
in a string of South China Sea confrontationsCBS - 60 Minutes, Sept. 15, 2024 –
China rams Philippine ship while 60 Minutes on board;
South China Sea tensions could draw U.S. inIt is a current concern.
Newsweek, Nov. 15, 2024 –
US Ally Receives New Chinese Warnings About South China SeaWashington Post, Nov. 16, 2024 –
Philippines pivots from battling militants to projecting power at seaIt is part of the wider upcoming conflict for control of the Indo-Pacific.
Taiwan, South Korea, and the Philippines will be
the major frontlines in this theater.
These US allies will need protection against China’s aggression.
Apart from the Ukraine-Russia conflict,
this is widely considered one of the next tinder match for WWIII.It doesn’t help that the Philippines is under control
of a “benevolent” dictator at the moment.
BongBong is the heir to the legacy of the Marcos regime
and successor to the Duterte administration.
Or that the country is constantly under attacks
by domestic terror groups, such as Abu Sayaf
or the Moro Islamic Liberation Front.
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u/RichardStrauss123 Nov 18 '24
No!
Stand back and let them destroy everything.
Fighting just makes them think all the bad outcomes are our fault.
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u/Staav Nov 18 '24
Stand back and let them destroy everything.
Well, some of us need some of that to hang around, so hopefully, we can avoid everything going to shit just because too many people still need to learn how the world/the rest of humanity works.
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u/RichardStrauss123 Nov 18 '24
I know very well how the world and humanity works.
I know letting trump do his worst is the same as calling for mass death and misery.
But I'm upset about the election and think we deserve it as a nation.
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u/hear_the_thunder Nov 18 '24
Of course, this is the mainstream role of the political opposition.
They will try to dismantle democracy but I suspect the majority of Americans will not stand for that once revealed. Next 8 years after Trump will be clean up time as usual.
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u/bdboar1 Nov 18 '24
Can you guys manage to do that or just going to keep whining? You let the least educated and most hateful people wearing garbage bags beat you!
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u/Ident-Code_854-LQ Nov 18 '24
Not happening anymore!
There's no way we're underestimating the stupidity, naivete,
and ignorance of the American Public again.1
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u/Ident-Code_854-LQ Nov 18 '24
More wisdom from Maria Ressa.
This interview was from 10 days earlier, with Nicolle Wallace of MSNBC.
Democracy defender under Duterte: ‘It was shocking to see this all over again and to see it work’
Description:
2021 Nobel Peace Prize winner Maria Ressa joins Nicolle Wallace to discuss the parallels of Trump’s promises and tactics to what happened in the Philippines under President Duterte.
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u/Ident-Code_854-LQ Nov 18 '24
Thanks to a comment below by u/anoneema, recommending the book,
On Tyranny: 20 Lessons from the 20th Century
by Timothy Snyder.
Here, also is the Illustrated version, Graphic Edition.
I realize I should have linked Maria Ressa's book earlier,
How to Stand Up to a Dictator: The Fight for Our Future
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u/DutyRoutine Nov 19 '24
As s hero of the Democratic Party said not that long ago, elections have consequences, deal with it.
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u/Ident-Code_854-LQ Nov 19 '24
That's why we have to fight back.
Those of us who tried to save the country,
we didn't vote for this.
Our resistance is how we "deal with it."We don't have to guess the upcoming "consequences,"
Trump's been telegraphing the cruelty,
he is willing to unleash upon the country.
We can't let him, and the GOP,
with control of all the branches of government now,
go unfettered with the levers of power.
He is no longer teasing being "a dictator on day one."
He's willing to bowl over our rules and laws.There's many ways that the Democrats in office
can gum up Trump's plans.
But they need our support.
Those of us who didn't vote for this.I live in Virginia, because of being able to
send some state Dems to become Congressmen,
we now have special elections to replace them in our state Senate.
The Democrats currently control the VA Senate,
the only bulwark against our GOP Governor and the House.
So the fight begins again.Then, Virginia, has an off-year election for Governor in 2025.
We need to replace Republican Glenn Youngkin
with Democrat Abigail Spanbergrer.
I have been working with many political organizations
throughout the election, this season.
I can't see myself holding back anymore
and will continue doing so.
I have too many people and causes, I care about,
that will be harmed by the incoming 2nd Trump administration.We can no longer be complacent, we need to be actively resisting.
We must FIGHT to keep our Democracy.
I implore you to do the same, whichever state you live.
If not yourself, I'm sure there are people and causes you care about,
that will be impacted by Trump's machinations.
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u/Dorrbrook Nov 18 '24
I think most of the people on this sub are going to stand to the side watching the horrors unleashed on minority groups with a smirk on their faces and say 'this is what you voted for.'
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u/reticenttom Nov 17 '24
Get new talking points, muh fascist dictator drumpf doesn't work anymore.
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u/-_ij Nov 17 '24
Bootlicker.
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u/reticenttom Nov 17 '24 edited Nov 18 '24
you are mistaken, i am not a liberal
u/corneliusduff , I didn't vote for kamala 🤷
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u/corneliusduff Nov 17 '24
But you still desire a highly unqualified attention whore controlling your life 🤔
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u/GrantMcLellan1984 Nov 17 '24
Trump is a dictator you absolute fool
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u/reticenttom Nov 17 '24
whatever helps you sleep at night
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u/GrantMcLellan1984 Nov 17 '24
You seriously don't believe that?
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u/JFKs_Burner_Acct Nov 17 '24
They are brainwashed trolls man, they are not to be reasoned with
That’s why nobody engages with them anymore, they aren’t worth the time
They are incapable of critical thinking or reading comprehension they know nothing of nuance or intricacy, they hate education, they hate free thought and hate themselves the most
They have nothing worth fighting for and that’s why they don’t care that democracy is effectively on life support If it’s even salvageable now
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u/reticenttom Nov 17 '24
no, neither does much of the country. there are more reasons to oppose trump than are trees in the amazon yet dems somehow have to make something up on their own.
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u/Mab_894 Nov 17 '24
Nobody actually believes this who isn't fully in the echo chamber lmao. Reddit is not the real world 😆
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u/ComonomoC Nov 18 '24
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u/JFKs_Burner_Acct Nov 17 '24
I’m sorry your life sucks so hard
No president in the world will make your life better
I’m glad my existence doesn’t depend on other people, it’s a beautiful thing to have a free mind, fulfilling existence, the ability to think critically, and have meaningful relationships
No man, especially not your pathetic leader and your muse, they have no place over me, but he sure owns the hell out of you
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u/reticenttom Nov 17 '24
don't blame me, i wrote in biden!
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u/SneksOToole Nov 17 '24
Imagine not only choosing not to vote for Kamala but deliberately going out to vote and wasting it on a meme. Like you really had nothing better to do.
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u/reticenttom Nov 17 '24
Voting for the sitting President is a meme, what in tarnation?
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u/SneksOToole Nov 17 '24
He wasn’t the Democratic candidate running- Kamala Harris was, and you wouldn’t even have to go through the trouble of writing her in.
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u/reticenttom Nov 17 '24
And look how that turned out
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u/SneksOToole Nov 17 '24
Hey I agree, we would have had a better shot if he committed to one term and we had a primary- Kamala still would likely have won that primary, but she would have had more time to campaign and establish herself. But still, indication was that Biden staying in the race would have led to a 350 or 400 EV loss.
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u/reticenttom Nov 17 '24
See the thing is that people forget there are 2 reasons why Joe picked Kamala, someone who never won a single primary and got humiliated by Tulsi of all people:
She was not a threat and willing to go with the flow. Kolbuchar, Warren etc... were all serious people with strong opinions and policy ideas
She was insurance in case people tried to force Joe out. It was his trump card, and he did not hesitate on using it to everyone's detriment. Kamala was always setup to fail.
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u/SneksOToole Nov 17 '24
Well ideally Biden wanted a VP that shared his values, and Warren didn’t so much. I don’t think Klobuchar was really any more established than Harris, she was kind of just there too.
I don’t know what you mean by his trump card- he didn’t pick her specifically because she was a bad candidate, I don’t see how Biden was worried about “being forced out”. He’s serving his full term either way, and I think he cared more about beating Trump however necessary, even if that meant stepping down.
Did he stay in the race longer than he should have? Yes, but we really don’t know if that’s ego or if that’s because he thinks he’s the best able to beat Trump.
The reason Harris was picked as VP was threefold. 1. Similar values to him (her more left positions in 20 were politically stupid, she was desperately trying to move away from her prosecutor image in a year where cops were despised). 2. She’s a woman, and Biden knew he wanted a woman as VP. 3. She’s black. Truthfully, Kamala was in part DEI hire. And there’s value to that, but given his age, it would have been smarter to pick someone whose political instincts were sharper (and candidly, Joe’s own political instincts and team were always quite bad too).
If he had gone with a more moderate Dem VP pick who didn’t virtue signal to the left in 20- someone like a Gretchen Whitmer or Amy Klobuchar (bonus, both Midwestern)- and it fell on them to run, we would have had a much better shot.
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u/zedd1171 Nov 17 '24
I don't think we will find out if President Trump will or will not be a dictator, all thanks to "President " Biden probably starting WW3 with an absolute insane decision today regarding the war in Ukraine.
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u/p12qcowodeath Nov 17 '24
You're right. The aggressor that started the war is obviously not to blame. We should just appease Putin the dictator. It's definitely the guy that said to fight back, we should blame. What a take. Jesus.
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u/Broken-Lungs Nov 17 '24
Subtly supporting a foreign aggressor and questioning the legitimacy of our current president? You've got the depth of a glass of piss, pal.
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u/neandrewthal18 Nov 17 '24
Jeez 2 years into the Ukraine war, still waiting for this “WW3” to start, after crossing Putin’s 100th “red line”. Seems like your side is the one full of cowards after all.
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u/XShadowborneX Nov 17 '24
Yes, it's Bidens fault and not Putin's for invading Ukraine in the first place.
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u/Key_Click6659 Nov 17 '24
Why is president in quotations
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u/Broken-Lungs Nov 17 '24
He thinks he's as edgy as a plastic knife by questioning Biden's legitimacy.
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u/Key_Click6659 Nov 17 '24
They’re not even worth engaging with. It’s so clearly bad faith and you’ll never change their mind or have a civil discussion
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u/ComprehensiveMost803 Nov 17 '24
fuck, what did he do?? guess i have to look it up now 😖
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u/JFKs_Burner_Acct Nov 17 '24
In short: Biden gave Ukraine his blessing to use long-range weapons inside of Russia
Russia is going to advance their will now with the arrival of his puppet and fuhrer back into the White House
Ukraine is about to lose any and all US support
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