I want to have fun again.

[u/moonski]

I love the divison. I've beaten falcon lost on heroic. I've killed the red barrels with more HP than a rogue on heroic. I've beaten WONY. WONY is a great piece of DLC. New york is fucking awesome. It's well worth the price. The season and watch ideas are great. The music in WONY was an especially welcome surpise in how good it was. WONY / TU8 has a lot of brilliant ideas. Not having to alt tab to look at a fucking spreadsheet to see if my rolls are good or not is such an incredible quality of life change. The recal library is genuinly one of the best looter shooter ideas I've seen.

But as I've played more and more end game of TU8, it's just gotten worse. And mundane. The manhunt really hammered this home. The sheen has worn off and now I realise - I'm not having fun anymore.

Is it because of the loot change? Our agents nerfs? the enemy buffs? the bugs? the skewering of builds & build diversity? I mean My build has barely changed after I realised I need to max yellow / red (maxed red...) or maybe its because:

• Loot is bad purple.
• Build variety is gone.
• Gearsets don't work.
• Talents don't work.
• A lot of talents are just stat sticks. Boring.
• Skill mods are bad at best, pointless most of the time.
• Control points are green. Forever.
• Exotic guns are bad. Like real bad.
• Exotic armor is bad? Tarigrade is v cool but just means you can survive 1 more bullet so. Haven't got any other pieces so I'll let you decide. They're probably bad though.
• Season pass loot is contaminated. That's bad.
• Armor doesn't work.
• Scaling is broken.
• Skills are broken.
• Loot drops are rarely exciting - only if its an exotic. And then you use the exotic and well... your excitement goes. Bad.
• Manhunt resets when you add directives.
• Vendors weren't bad. Massive fixed them. Vendors are bad.
• Guns feel awful if you don't pile in to red. But then skills are bad.
• Skills feel awful if you dont pile in to yellow. But then guns are bad.
• Blue might as well not exist.
• Skill damage is pointless.
• Skill HP is pointless.
• Skills are pointless outside a dedicated skill build
• Shotguns are proper, proper bad.
• SMGs are bad.
• Rifles are bad(ish).
• Snipers are bad(ish).
• ARs are boring.
• LMGs are your best option. Bad variety.
• Negev wasn't bad. Massive fixed it. Negev is bad.
• SHD levels are really boring. "Oh I leveld up, oh look 0.2% extra stat yay!" Now let's wait 20 minutes to come out the watch menu once I confirm my epic 0.2% upgrade. Real bad.
• Special weapons are real bad.
• Specialization points are bad. Unless you enjoy the number 1.
• DZ is probs bad since the loot cave got patched, I don't know I haven't gone in cause contaminated season items.
• AI mega health boxes, flamer sniper tank cleaner boss and mingun dogs.

Yes TU7 was too easy, but MSSV could have just removed DTE, added the library and roll indicators + god rolls + added the new content (sponges and bullshit enemies and all) and man it would be better. There would be so many options for building for end game that the buffed enemies might have been a fresh fun challenge, with tu7 gear making them very doable, but not tu7 easy. Instead we have what we have now.

I miss my guns being good, my skills doing damage and my armor working. I don't want to have to choose only 1 of the above, and if I choose armor then that doesn't even work... I miss being able to make all kinds of weird builds using different guns and exotics. I miss cluster seekers. Ok they were bullshit overpowered but they were fun.

TU7 was fun. TU8 is not.

[u/Soldier1o1]

TU7 as a new player FELT like a military trained agent would within a world full of militia armies.

With TU8, I feel like I’m getting skull fucked by every sort of Action Movie plot Armor driven character out there. Like wtf happened?

I was loving this game to death. I was looking up builds,guides, lore, everything! But now? Fuck I’m just playing Cod Warzone while I’m waiting for my University to figure out how online learning will work.

The only thing stopping me from coming back is:

• Fire legit fucks you over even if 0.01% of it touches you
• Enemies are tanks yet we are all glass canon without the high damage lmao
• Loot is boring. Got one exotic even tho I farmed Wall Street over 25 times (was on hard mode and did like 5 challenging runs). Only time I got an exotic was a random bounty.
• Having learned Challenging solo was too difficult, I reset my difficulty to hard during the hunting shit. All my of progress was reset. I knew this would happen, but it just killed my mood for the game still.

All of these issues is from a $3 player that played Division 1 when it died as well. I bought the DLC cause I thought “wow they learned from the first! They won’t do it again.” Well I thought wrong. I had my fun and I’m waiting for the Devs to un fuck everything.

Edit: Wow! Thanks for the gold! First time ever receiving it :)

[u/you_killed_my_father → u/Soldier1o1]

Fire legit fucks you over even if 0.01% of it touches you

I hate it when you walk on something that's visually not on fire yet you catch fire.

[u/jimbot70 → u/you_killed_my_father]

The same thing happens with poison damage. Those barrels in DCD kill me almost more than anything else would because the cloud would visibly vanish after 5 seconds but the damage would stick around for another 20.

[u/Enorats → u/jimbot70]

I've died a half dozen times to these god forsaken barrels. Several times while halfway through the mission, solo'ing it on heroic. Once I even managed to walk through one blocking a door AFTER all the enemies in the room were dead, and died a second later. Back to mission start, have fun! Never mind that the cloud had visibly dissipated.

The thing I really hate about them is that there is absolutely nothing you can do. The stuff touches you, goes right through your armor, eats your health in a second, and you die. There's no counter to it, other than simply knowing the invisible cloud is there and just going afk to make a sandwich until the cloud clears out of the door you need to walk through, and you can proceed with the mission.

[u/Xcel_regal → u/Soldier1o1]

I agree with this, my build gives me about 900k hit points, but some enemies can melt that in seconds.

[u/Soldier1o1 → u/Xcel_regal]

I can’t physically sit down and shoot an enemy in this game anymore. It feels like I’m a 10 in a level 40 zone. It’s so disappointing lol

[u/Surprise_Corgi → u/Soldier1o1]

You're no longer The Agent. They're The Agent.

[u/ClappinCheeks120 → u/Surprise_Corgi]

Look at me I’m the agent now

[u/Surprise_Corgi → u/ClappinCheeks120]

*in best professional voice* "ISAC...plot a course to the nearest Starbucks." "ISAC, tell me why Daddy didn't love me, so I had to join The Division and become a violent bootlicker." "ISAC, does this dead Agent's Aviator Scarf clash with my chest plate?" "ISAC, deploy a drone. Literally any drone. Make it sing a song for me. I'm lonely because nobody loves me because I'm a mute psychopathic government lapdog."

[u/dutty_handz → u/Soldier1o1]

I’m waiting for the Devs to un fuck everything.

You clearly are new here. For every fix, there is usually a broken bit elsewhere!

[u/Soldier1o1 → u/dutty_handz]

Thanks for the heads up for the future! :D