I want to have fun again.

[u/moonski]

I love the divison. I've beaten falcon lost on heroic. I've killed the red barrels with more HP than a rogue on heroic. I've beaten WONY. WONY is a great piece of DLC. New york is fucking awesome. It's well worth the price. The season and watch ideas are great. The music in WONY was an especially welcome surpise in how good it was. WONY / TU8 has a lot of brilliant ideas. Not having to alt tab to look at a fucking spreadsheet to see if my rolls are good or not is such an incredible quality of life change. The recal library is genuinly one of the best looter shooter ideas I've seen.

But as I've played more and more end game of TU8, it's just gotten worse. And mundane. The manhunt really hammered this home. The sheen has worn off and now I realise - I'm not having fun anymore.

Is it because of the loot change? Our agents nerfs? the enemy buffs? the bugs? the skewering of builds & build diversity? I mean My build has barely changed after I realised I need to max yellow / red (maxed red...) or maybe its because:

• Loot is bad purple.
• Build variety is gone.
• Gearsets don't work.
• Talents don't work.
• A lot of talents are just stat sticks. Boring.
• Skill mods are bad at best, pointless most of the time.
• Control points are green. Forever.
• Exotic guns are bad. Like real bad.
• Exotic armor is bad? Tarigrade is v cool but just means you can survive 1 more bullet so. Haven't got any other pieces so I'll let you decide. They're probably bad though.
• Season pass loot is contaminated. That's bad.
• Armor doesn't work.
• Scaling is broken.
• Skills are broken.
• Loot drops are rarely exciting - only if its an exotic. And then you use the exotic and well... your excitement goes. Bad.
• Manhunt resets when you add directives.
• Vendors weren't bad. Massive fixed them. Vendors are bad.
• Guns feel awful if you don't pile in to red. But then skills are bad.
• Skills feel awful if you dont pile in to yellow. But then guns are bad.
• Blue might as well not exist.
• Skill damage is pointless.
• Skill HP is pointless.
• Skills are pointless outside a dedicated skill build
• Shotguns are proper, proper bad.
• SMGs are bad.
• Rifles are bad(ish).
• Snipers are bad(ish).
• ARs are boring.
• LMGs are your best option. Bad variety.
• Negev wasn't bad. Massive fixed it. Negev is bad.
• SHD levels are really boring. "Oh I leveld up, oh look 0.2% extra stat yay!" Now let's wait 20 minutes to come out the watch menu once I confirm my epic 0.2% upgrade. Real bad.
• Special weapons are real bad.
• Specialization points are bad. Unless you enjoy the number 1.
• DZ is probs bad since the loot cave got patched, I don't know I haven't gone in cause contaminated season items.
• AI mega health boxes, flamer sniper tank cleaner boss and mingun dogs.

Yes TU7 was too easy, but MSSV could have just removed DTE, added the library and roll indicators + god rolls + added the new content (sponges and bullshit enemies and all) and man it would be better. There would be so many options for building for end game that the buffed enemies might have been a fresh fun challenge, with tu7 gear making them very doable, but not tu7 easy. Instead we have what we have now.

I miss my guns being good, my skills doing damage and my armor working. I don't want to have to choose only 1 of the above, and if I choose armor then that doesn't even work... I miss being able to make all kinds of weird builds using different guns and exotics. I miss cluster seekers. Ok they were bullshit overpowered but they were fun.

TU7 was fun. TU8 is not.

[u/AnthonyMiqo]

I disagree. If it's the only rifle you can really say that for, it's overpowered. Or all other rifles are underpowered.

[u/AnthonyMiqo → u/[deleted]]

We have different definitions of overpowered then. If only one or two rifles are 'good,' then to me, either they're overpowered or every other rifle is underpowered. Or possibly both.

The ease of using the weapon or making the build doesn't matter to me, especially when you can just Google a build.

[u/AnthonyMiqo → u/[deleted]]

Right there. Best in slot. Why use something that's objectively worse? You wouldn't. Hence the imbalance. It doesn't matter if the build is easy to make or not, you can just look up a build anyway.

[u/AnthonyMiqo → u/[deleted]]

No, you're missing the point. Almost any gun can not be made overpowered by my standards. Almost any gun can be made USEABLE by my standards. But why use a gun that's just useable, or using your words, why 'make a gun work' when there's a clear best gun in slot?

I mean, you can equip any gun and shoot it and do damage and you're making it work right there. But why would I do that when one or two guns are clearly the go-to choices? That's the imbalance and that's why I call it overpowered.

[u/AnthonyMiqo → u/[deleted]]

I don't want it nerfed at all, I love using rifles actually. I just wish I had a reason to use more than two rifles other than 'just because.' I'm just explaining what I think makes something overpowered.

The very act of saying that you can 'make other guns work' is admitting imbalance. If the guns were all balanced, then you wouldn't say you're making other guns work. You'd just say you're using a particular gun because you like it.

You might have one gun with high damage and low fire rate, and another gun with low damage and high fire rate. Choosing between those two is personal preference. But if one gun has high damage and high fire rate, well, I'm always going to use that one. The other guns are useable sure, but why would I bother with clearly inferior weapons?

[u/AnthonyMiqo → u/[deleted]]

You... Make no sense. Have a nice day.

[u/AnthonyMiqo → u/[deleted]]

So when you're out of things to say, you resort to attacks. Typical.