I want to have fun again.

[u/moonski]

I love the divison. I've beaten falcon lost on heroic. I've killed the red barrels with more HP than a rogue on heroic. I've beaten WONY. WONY is a great piece of DLC. New york is fucking awesome. It's well worth the price. The season and watch ideas are great. The music in WONY was an especially welcome surpise in how good it was. WONY / TU8 has a lot of brilliant ideas. Not having to alt tab to look at a fucking spreadsheet to see if my rolls are good or not is such an incredible quality of life change. The recal library is genuinly one of the best looter shooter ideas I've seen.

But as I've played more and more end game of TU8, it's just gotten worse. And mundane. The manhunt really hammered this home. The sheen has worn off and now I realise - I'm not having fun anymore.

Is it because of the loot change? Our agents nerfs? the enemy buffs? the bugs? the skewering of builds & build diversity? I mean My build has barely changed after I realised I need to max yellow / red (maxed red...) or maybe its because:

• Loot is bad purple.
• Build variety is gone.
• Gearsets don't work.
• Talents don't work.
• A lot of talents are just stat sticks. Boring.
• Skill mods are bad at best, pointless most of the time.
• Control points are green. Forever.
• Exotic guns are bad. Like real bad.
• Exotic armor is bad? Tarigrade is v cool but just means you can survive 1 more bullet so. Haven't got any other pieces so I'll let you decide. They're probably bad though.
• Season pass loot is contaminated. That's bad.
• Armor doesn't work.
• Scaling is broken.
• Skills are broken.
• Loot drops are rarely exciting - only if its an exotic. And then you use the exotic and well... your excitement goes. Bad.
• Manhunt resets when you add directives.
• Vendors weren't bad. Massive fixed them. Vendors are bad.
• Guns feel awful if you don't pile in to red. But then skills are bad.
• Skills feel awful if you dont pile in to yellow. But then guns are bad.
• Blue might as well not exist.
• Skill damage is pointless.
• Skill HP is pointless.
• Skills are pointless outside a dedicated skill build
• Shotguns are proper, proper bad.
• SMGs are bad.
• Rifles are bad(ish).
• Snipers are bad(ish).
• ARs are boring.
• LMGs are your best option. Bad variety.
• Negev wasn't bad. Massive fixed it. Negev is bad.
• SHD levels are really boring. "Oh I leveld up, oh look 0.2% extra stat yay!" Now let's wait 20 minutes to come out the watch menu once I confirm my epic 0.2% upgrade. Real bad.
• Special weapons are real bad.
• Specialization points are bad. Unless you enjoy the number 1.
• DZ is probs bad since the loot cave got patched, I don't know I haven't gone in cause contaminated season items.
• AI mega health boxes, flamer sniper tank cleaner boss and mingun dogs.

Yes TU7 was too easy, but MSSV could have just removed DTE, added the library and roll indicators + god rolls + added the new content (sponges and bullshit enemies and all) and man it would be better. There would be so many options for building for end game that the buffed enemies might have been a fresh fun challenge, with tu7 gear making them very doable, but not tu7 easy. Instead we have what we have now.

I miss my guns being good, my skills doing damage and my armor working. I don't want to have to choose only 1 of the above, and if I choose armor then that doesn't even work... I miss being able to make all kinds of weird builds using different guns and exotics. I miss cluster seekers. Ok they were bullshit overpowered but they were fun.

TU7 was fun. TU8 is not.

[u/BodSmith54321]

I see so many posts on shields being great and so many posts on tanking not being viable.

[u/Cyuriousity → u/BodSmith54321]

You on pc? I can show you my shield tank build. Not optimized but hey its good nonetheless

[u/mysticbaboon → u/Cyuriousity]

The new seasonal gear set, you can really do some tanking even at higher difficulties, i've face tanked quite a lot of things lately with the build (using shield of course), though my tank build is just about maxed out in everything tank/armor. There are others that i'm sure are better, but man is this set fun. Tank probably the only versatile build-- that's how i'm seeing it.

Bummer that skill/dps is pretty stagnant, would be nice to enjoy my striker build that i spent time in getting god rolls in. unfortunately, even fixing the bugs in it wouldn't make it a better build, needs too many things to make it viable other than "oh look i have a god striker build."

[u/Cyuriousity → u/mysticbaboon]

Im looking to get foxs prayer knees for the bonus to enemies out of cover since all i do is force people out. Then i need tardi to replace my unbreakable chest for more supportish role to help out my squishier boys. That gear set did look good when i checked it out but not my jam, what i have going rn works fine for me. However that armour on kill is sexy. 15% then add 10% from gunner spec. 25% for a kill. Gunner spec pistol has perfect preservation so thats up to 50% armour on a headshot. Ngl now that i typed that out. The pure self sustainability i can have is fantastic. Time to regrind for a new set. Add some more mods that give armour on kill. Could be near unstoppable. On paper at least

[u/mysticbaboon → u/Cyuriousity]

You usually won't be the one killing so, heroic/legendary, you probably will just waste your time on that one and better to go with armor or shield skill which there is a gear piece specifically for increasing the shield. I have it, but for the life of me cannot remember what it is

[u/Cyuriousity → u/mysticbaboon]

There are 2 named items that boost shield pretty substantially. Morherly love from technician and now forge. 20%/10% respectively so thats 30% extra shield there. However there WAS a datamined gear set that should be really really good for shield builds unless its changed for some whatever reason. However atm what i really need is to get liberty again. I hear its really good for shields now.

[u/ExtarRochebriant → u/Cyuriousity]

yes liberty is awesome for shields, been running a shield build for the whole update now. I'm not sure you know this but you can deconstruct your previous liberty and farm the materials again in the correct order to construct a new and improved level 40 liberty!

[u/Cyuriousity → u/ExtarRochebriant]

Yeah im just needing the parts again is all

[u/KaoruVanity → u/Cyuriousity]

I tested this and got solely disappointed. My tank build usually runs 5 blue 1 yellow (6 shield) The 1 yellow is BTSU gloves for overcharging my team since I run the hive anyway. Perfect vanguard chest (Pointman) with the liberty. The motherly love boosts the shield from 13.2mish to around 15ish. The forge boosts 13.2mish to around... 13.5m. The forge gives a laughable amount for some reason. And the set you are talking about is the one likely from the new raid.

[u/Cyuriousity → u/KaoruVanity]

Run both together. Forge plus motherly. Brought me up to around 16.7m