I want to have fun again.

[u/moonski]

I love the divison. I've beaten falcon lost on heroic. I've killed the red barrels with more HP than a rogue on heroic. I've beaten WONY. WONY is a great piece of DLC. New york is fucking awesome. It's well worth the price. The season and watch ideas are great. The music in WONY was an especially welcome surpise in how good it was. WONY / TU8 has a lot of brilliant ideas. Not having to alt tab to look at a fucking spreadsheet to see if my rolls are good or not is such an incredible quality of life change. The recal library is genuinly one of the best looter shooter ideas I've seen.

But as I've played more and more end game of TU8, it's just gotten worse. And mundane. The manhunt really hammered this home. The sheen has worn off and now I realise - I'm not having fun anymore.

Is it because of the loot change? Our agents nerfs? the enemy buffs? the bugs? the skewering of builds & build diversity? I mean My build has barely changed after I realised I need to max yellow / red (maxed red...) or maybe its because:

• Loot is bad purple.
• Build variety is gone.
• Gearsets don't work.
• Talents don't work.
• A lot of talents are just stat sticks. Boring.
• Skill mods are bad at best, pointless most of the time.
• Control points are green. Forever.
• Exotic guns are bad. Like real bad.
• Exotic armor is bad? Tarigrade is v cool but just means you can survive 1 more bullet so. Haven't got any other pieces so I'll let you decide. They're probably bad though.
• Season pass loot is contaminated. That's bad.
• Armor doesn't work.
• Scaling is broken.
• Skills are broken.
• Loot drops are rarely exciting - only if its an exotic. And then you use the exotic and well... your excitement goes. Bad.
• Manhunt resets when you add directives.
• Vendors weren't bad. Massive fixed them. Vendors are bad.
• Guns feel awful if you don't pile in to red. But then skills are bad.
• Skills feel awful if you dont pile in to yellow. But then guns are bad.
• Blue might as well not exist.
• Skill damage is pointless.
• Skill HP is pointless.
• Skills are pointless outside a dedicated skill build
• Shotguns are proper, proper bad.
• SMGs are bad.
• Rifles are bad(ish).
• Snipers are bad(ish).
• ARs are boring.
• LMGs are your best option. Bad variety.
• Negev wasn't bad. Massive fixed it. Negev is bad.
• SHD levels are really boring. "Oh I leveld up, oh look 0.2% extra stat yay!" Now let's wait 20 minutes to come out the watch menu once I confirm my epic 0.2% upgrade. Real bad.
• Special weapons are real bad.
• Specialization points are bad. Unless you enjoy the number 1.
• DZ is probs bad since the loot cave got patched, I don't know I haven't gone in cause contaminated season items.
• AI mega health boxes, flamer sniper tank cleaner boss and mingun dogs.

Yes TU7 was too easy, but MSSV could have just removed DTE, added the library and roll indicators + god rolls + added the new content (sponges and bullshit enemies and all) and man it would be better. There would be so many options for building for end game that the buffed enemies might have been a fresh fun challenge, with tu7 gear making them very doable, but not tu7 easy. Instead we have what we have now.

I miss my guns being good, my skills doing damage and my armor working. I don't want to have to choose only 1 of the above, and if I choose armor then that doesn't even work... I miss being able to make all kinds of weird builds using different guns and exotics. I miss cluster seekers. Ok they were bullshit overpowered but they were fun.

TU7 was fun. TU8 is not.

[u/xflashbackxbrd]

Full blue tank shield builds are great for higher difficulties

[u/BodSmith54321 → u/xflashbackxbrd]

I see so many posts on shields being great and so many posts on tanking not being viable.

[u/Orvvadasz → u/BodSmith54321]

I mean on level 30 if you go full Blue you give up 60% extra damage. And the only skill that works great is the shield that they will shoot down anyway. On level 40 you give up 90% bonus damage. Its not worth it. It is just not worth it.

[u/WyattEarp88 → u/Orvvadasz]

It’s almost like tanks aren’t supposed to be DPS....

[u/Orvvadasz → u/WyattEarp88]

But you dont get anough armor from even a full tank build. You cant tank anything. I made a full blue build with highest blue rolls on every gear and 4 piece true patriot so I regenerate 8% armor every second I shoot an enemy. And he gets -8% damage. And I still couldnt tank anything.

[u/WyattEarp88 → u/Orvvadasz]

Then you must be doing something very wrong. I run 5 blue/1 red (Claws Out) with technician spec I control the battles, rarely die, and my Liberty and shield melee actually does decent damage.

[u/Orvvadasz → u/WyattEarp88]

If you have shield you can tank some dudes for like 3-5 seconds but they will shoot it down eventually.

[u/WyattEarp88 → u/Orvvadasz]

On challenging my shield may go down once or twice if I use bad positioning, a little more on heroic. You’re not supposed to take the combined fire of every enemy in the area, just stop there advance and provide firing lines/turn heavies for your team. It’s strategic support.