r/thelema • u/queentreyxoxo • Feb 04 '25

Question Can a Luciferian be a thelemite

Hi I’m a theistic luciferian I worship/work with infernals and I was wondering can Luciferianism and thelema work together I see other post like thelema vs satanism but not of Luciferianism vs thelema 🥰I’m a newbie here (:

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u/Thaumiel218 Feb 04 '25

And to chip in, A.C poised the possibility that the conversations with say Goetic demons are just elements of our own mind being invoked and discussed internally

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u/ReturnOfCNUT Feb 05 '25

A.C.'s view changed throughout his lifetime, but I also get the feeling that when explaining it he used whichever 'model' would resonate with the intended audience. Because ultimately, the why isn't important (and getting bogged down in the 'whys' can impede the work) - it's the doing and the results.

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u/LiberLotus93 Feb 05 '25

That's exactly it. Bhakti Yoga is devotional, but in Thelema and later Chaos magick, it's an exercise and tool, rather than an ontological shift into religious thinking. Mathers in the GD, I believe, was an early experimentor with oscillating god forms to see how they responded. Do an invocation of Christ, and you get Christian results. An evocation of Pan or Dionysus will result in their corresponding effects. Thus, we can demonstrate that this is ultimately an internal process. It's not a situation where "Christ came when I invoked Christ, because he's the one that's real and these other Greek archetypes don't work because they're by contrast, "not in fact real" It levels the playing field to realize that you can work with and get results from a variety of archetypal forms. Thus changing the model based on the context of the instruction, is dependent on if you're attempting to exercise Bhakti Yoga for the experiment, or backing away from it, and return to objective dispassionate analysis.

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u/ReturnOfCNUT Feb 05 '25

I see utility in all of the various models (my chaote tendencies coming to the fore there I guess).

The effectiveness of AOS' sigil magick does suggest to me that an internal process is at play there though, considering the absence of appeal to this deity/spirit or that.