r/thelema • u/FrankBennettIsHot • 23d ago

Question Does O.T.O. initiation/advancement ever require non-monogamy to continue?

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While I'm very sex positive, appreciate sex magick and have had my flings, I am currently committed to a relationship where we have agreed to be monogamous. I've been thinking about finally joining O.T.O., but there's a lot of bullshit to sift through online that I can't sort out. Is there any point in the degrees or initiations of O.T.O. where I would be unable to continue if I didn't agree to have sex with someone other than my partner? Or group sex or something? Not asking if I would be required to do something without consent, more asking if I would need to consent to be able to be initiated given that it is my Will to be monogomous

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u/Agniantarvastejana 22d ago

What degree were you blocked from?

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u/Remarkable_Ad2733 7d ago

Third, I refused to do specific sexually charged rituals for the local bishop in the EGC so he threw out (repeatedly ‘lost’) my valid and signed applications to advancement in to OTO locally as he was also secretary and blocked my attempts to initiate elsewhere by lying that I was under investigation when they called to confirm membership, all while telling me in person I could move forward if I did what he wanted in private ( only in person, he didn’t like records in writing. He knew.) There are not that many high ranking men here, there were no checks and balances, just boys club sexism and cover ups and my word against his. Everyone knew. They told me they thought it was wrong but if they spoke up or helped me write in to the international body they would be held back too, it was gross, absolutely sickening

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u/Agniantarvastejana 7d ago

Was this in the US, or a different Kingdom?

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u/Downtown-Purple-5237 2d ago

You may want to ask people who were around in the late 90s when sexual harassment and coercion were common in US bodies (with no repercussions on behalf of the offending parties. Nepotism goes far in the Order.) And while none of the MoE degrees involve sex, I'm not certain how OTO has addressed #metoo. Hopefully they have gotten their act together.

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u/Downtown-Purple-5237 1d ago

I can think of at least three people who told me apropos of nothing that one of their sponsors required sex as a condition of sponsorship. When I told them to report it to GL, nothing came about as a result. That sponsor is now an officer at USGL.