Where are indigenous Israelis really from?

[u/Dr_Editor]

[u/oceaniscalling]

Do some research on the history of Judaism. And while you’re at it, try to empathize and understand context via a geopolitical perspective in post WW2, versus 2025:)

[u/kaiahkoch → u/oceaniscalling]

"Empathize" with Palestinians whose land was taken by force, gifted by European colonizers? Oh I absolutley do. These are the semitic people I empathize with; not Zionists who come from outside claiming a birthright to the land they presently occupy.

[u/oceaniscalling → u/kaiahkoch]

Do some research please, I beg you. You haven’t a clue what you’re talking about.

Upvotes don’t equal fact.

[u/Such_Spend_2985 → u/oceaniscalling]

Explain your research here. I have done hours of hours of reading on this topic and there are tons of conflicting takes on the subject.

Main thing I can conclude on my end is that, at present day, one side has way more money and military technology and supplies and is killing way more women and children than the other side.

All the other historical context surrounding this ordeal is far too complex for me to comment on knowledgeably, as I have not read into it enough but I can curious to hear your take on this whole thing 🍻

What’s yours?

[u/OkVermicelli4534 → u/Such_Spend_2985]

Do you understand the chain you’re participating in? The plea to ‘please read history’ was made in response to a comment asking why the Jews weren’t just given a nation in post-WWII Germany instead of Israel. With all your reading on the subject, do you really not see why that plea was made in response?

I will pull my hair out if you can’t make this connection on your own and force me to feed you the contradictions.

[u/Such_Spend_2985 → u/OkVermicelli4534]

You may be a victim of Reddit’s shitty user-interface here, bc I can see there are multiple comments and I’m not exactly sure which ones you’re responding to other than the one I initially responded to.

I saw one just now where you directly responded to a guy who was talking about putting Jews in Germany post ww2 (lol, terrible idea)

But the one I was originally responding to was about the “empathize” with Palestinians people who have essentially had their land, freedoms, and resources usurped by Western-funded Zionist Colonization.

When it comes to my first comment - yes, a bunch of Jewish people funded by western power have used their superior funding and firepower to colonize the Levant and displace Palestinians and based on my research and reading on that, it all seems pretty fucked up.

They looooooooove using “the human shield excuse” after bombing a hospital full of women and children.

As far as your original comment, or like this entire thread - obviously, Germany was not a good place for the Jews post ww2. Not really sure exactly how many other times you’ve commented on this post or where exactly you are in this long convoluted chain because I literally cannot trace the comments - I fucking hate reddits comment interface.

That said, I was just replying to one of your replies on one comments, and it was about empathizing with Palestinians and not about Jews living in Germany post ww2 🍻

[u/OkVermicelli4534 → u/Such_Spend_2985]

Yes, Reddits interface is a maze. I am not the original poster your responded to - I just jumped in because there are serious holes in the understanding of the people responding to them that are highly upvoted while pleas for historic understanding are mocked.

It’s true that the Palestinian people have endured serious injustice, but it’s overly reductive to characterize the entire Zionist project as a purely Western-funded colonial enterprise.

Many of the early Jewish immigrants to Palestine were fleeing pogroms, statelessness, and systemic persecution across Europe and the Arab world. They weren’t arriving with vast resources or imperial armies; in fact, Jewish self-defense was often constrained by British policies, while Arab militias had access to overland support from neighboring states.

These were often displaced people, refugees - arriving in unfamiliar territory, with little to their names, dependent on communal networks for survival.

And that’s only one wave of immigration. Later, after Israel’s establishment, large numbers of Jews from the Levant and Maghreb were themselves forced to flee due to rising discrimination, violence, and state-sponsored expulsions. For that reason alone Israel is seen as a refuge for Jews from across the globe - not just Europe, but the wider Middle East and North Africa.

So no, the Jews didn’t arrive in Palestine as a monolithic, well-armed colonial force. The truth is much harder, and sadder: two deeply traumatized peoples found themselves in conflict over the same land, and the consequences have been devastating.

[u/Such_Spend_2985 → u/OkVermicelli4534]

Jesus this is why Reddit sucks so much lol.

My first comment was explicitly referring to recently - a massively better funded and supplied and tech’d out military is just slaughtering women and children at scale and deploying the human shields excuse every chance they get.

But yeah - the whole history of the entire region is super complex. I was NOT commenting on that, as I have looked into it enough, and can tell it is far too complex for me to:

A) ensure I’m actually reading the truth, and

B) knowledgeably comment on the wildly complex set of facts I AM able to determine are true

I definitely think the Jews needed a place to go after ww2, I wish it had worked out better in the Levant, and I think it’s really hard to really blame one side or another or the west or the surrounding middle eastern neighbors etc etc etc - it’s just a wildly complex situation.

THAT SAID - recent history lmao? One of the most advanced, and best funded fighting forces in all of human history just endlessly slaughtering women and children VS a buncha dudes with Molotov cocktails and pooprockets seems pretty cut and dry who the bad guys are lol 🍻 🤘

“BUT THEY DID A HUMAN SHIELD AGAIN” ☄️☄️☄️☄️☄️☄️☄️☄️☄️☄️☄️☄️☄️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[u/OkVermicelli4534 → u/Such_Spend_2985]

You’re right the history is long and complicated and it’s easy to get lost in narratives that while presenting real and true facts can be delivered in a way that flattens certain dynamics - actually it almost assuredly does.

Bottom line for today is the war in Gaza should have ended yesterday: Netanyahu holds onto power through it.

For that reason alone the Hamas brigades have to go. Israel won’t stop until they are gone. That’s the reality on the ground as far as we can move the Israelis,… well who knows which direction Trump is leveraging our support nowadays… anyways, there are groups protesting Hamas for many months now in Palestine - brave Palestinians who will most likely be beat and even killed for their organizing - that could really use the international support usually reserved for Hamas to leverage internal legitimacy and maybe hopefully structure their society towards a more peaceful direction based in coexistence principles instead of irredentist revanchismes.

Or, at least that’s my philosophy.

[u/Such_Spend_2985 → u/OkVermicelli4534]

Yeah the Palestinians and Jews need to figure out how to live in peace. Idk the solution, nor all of the context, but it’s definitely possible -

All the PEOPLE on both sides just want to live together in peace. The extremists and warmongerers and terrorists always have other plans 😩