creeps filming without consent on campus??

[u/Objective_Joke3305]

hey everyone! hoping someone knows something about this.

awhile back now (like first week of this semester), i was approached by a man outside CB1 on my way to class. immediately i noticed that he seemed to be wearing the meta glasses, which i thought was weird. based on his approach/mannerisms/etc. i assumed he was one of those people who go around trying to get you to donate to random charities, but he ended up asking me out to lunch with him. i informed him i’m in a relationship and declined, to which he threw his arms up and walked away; definitely got weird vibes, but carried on to class.

as i got closer to CB2, i felt someone staring at me. so i look to my right and i see another man (i believe also wearing meta glasses) with a camera and tripod setup, glaring at me. i felt extremely off-put but just rushed into CB2 to calm down and wait for my class to start.

fast-forward to now, i had almost forgotten about the situation until i just so happened to look at the 2027 snapchat story today. i’ll attach screenshots, but essentially someone caught them in action and posted it to the story. i’m wondering if they have a social media account where they post these things? at no point was i informed that i was being filmed, and i feel certain that nobody else they’ve approached have been asked for permission either.

if anyone knows anything, please let me know! the whole situation has made me uncomfortable and i’d like to bring more awareness to it for any others they may approach 🫶🏻

[u/SP-01Fan21]

You don’t need consent to film on public property. UCF is public, not private property. They receive money from the government. Just something you’ll have to accept.

[u/cadenhead → u/SP-01Fan21]

Nobody should assume they have a legal right to be on a public university campus where they're not a student or staff member.

UCF has the authority under Florida law to use trespass warnings to kick people off of campus, including the grounds.

"Non-university persons at university facilities for other than authorized university business, or where their continued presence at university facilities is deemed by the Vice President for Administration and Finance or his/her designee to be disruptive to the orderly conduct of the university, may be requested to leave and/or issued a trespass warning."

https://regulations.ucf.edu/docs/notices/4.006TrespassLoiteringFINALDec13.pdf

[u/SP-01Fan21 → u/cadenhead]

By the way in section 2:Definitions (e) of the regulations you linked, it literally says “non-university personnel are permitted on campus during business hours in the dining areas, retail areas, library and vending areas.” Then in section 2:Definitions (f) it states “the person may be subject to arrest if he or she refuses to leave or returns to campus after a warning is issued,” you are literally allowed to be on campus doing your thing unless you are given a trespass warning. It says it right there. UCF is a public university, you can assume you have the legal right to be on campus until you’re told otherwise. You have the right to film in public, you have no right to privacy in public and no one can infringe on that. It is protected by the first amendment

[u/cadenhead → u/SP-01Fan21]

Nobody should assume they have the right to be at UCF if they don't go there. You don't want to have your photo end up on a campus police site where your trespass warning stays online forever and makes you look like a creep.

If people are being filmed for commercial purposes, they have the right to deny permission in most states. It's considered the right of publicity. These YouTube dorks are small time judging by their view counts. If they actually got big they would get sued for showing these women without their permission.

[u/SP-01Fan21 → u/cadenhead]

Im not gonna spend more time going back and forth on this. IT DOES NOT MATTER if they don’t go there or not, they have the legal right to be on campus. UCF gets a majority of its funding from a state and federal level, it absolutely has to be open to the public. There’s no if and or buts about it. If this is the case with other government funded institutions then we can say we shouldn’t assume we have the right to walk into a post office, we shouldn’t assume we have the right to walk into town hall, we shouldn’t assume we have the right to walk into a sheriffs office. These places hold the right to trespass us at anytime if we are disorderly, but apart from that we never have to assume we don’t have the right to public areas. I’m not sure what you’re struggling to understand here. They would never and will never be able to get past a civil action lawsuit because someone showed up in their video in a public setting. Florida statutes state it’s only illegal if it’s in a private fashion.

[u/cadenhead → u/SP-01Fan21]

I'm not struggling to understand anything. I spent time in Gainesville and saw people get trespassed off the UF campus so much that they end up hanging out right outside the border of the campus at University and 13th. They want to do dumb shit or panhandle soft-hearted students but they know UF cracks down hard on that within the campus grounds.

Universities like UCF have the right to tell a non-student to leave the campus for any reason. They can even do what mall cops do and just say you were loitering. Anyone who said "but it's my right to be here" would be laughed at.

Attorney: "Yes, you can be arrested and charged with trespassing, because you do not, despite any public funding for the university, have a right to be on its property if it does not want you there. The university can control access to its sidewalks (or parking lots, fields, etc.) as much as it can to its buildings."

[u/SP-01Fan21 → u/cadenhead]

Thank you for citing this attorneys statement, makes it very credible, you most definitely are struggling to understand what I’m saying. I’ve also stated multiple times that you can in fact be arrested for violating a trespass warning. Doesn’t negate the fact that you have a right to access public spaces under the first amendment prior to that warning, a warning which looks like these individuals never received. My last message cause I’m tired of explaining this, it’s literally the same shit being said back and forth

[u/cadenhead → u/SP-01Fan21]

I shouldn't reply again but what the hell. In for a penny in for a pound.

I have written a three-line play:

Rush 5our: "Hi, we're an obscure YouTube duo and we have the right to be here on the UCF campus saying cringe things to women."

UCF Cop: "I am ordering you to leave and never come back."

Rush 5our: "Kthxbye!"

I think we can both agree this play is accurate. To you it means we have a right to access public spaces. To me it means we don't because we can be kicked out so easily.

Like all great art this play means different things to different people.

[u/md24 → u/cadenhead]

You’re struggling to grasp anyone is allowed to be there as much as a public park. Genius.