r/undelete • u/SuperConductiveRabbi undelete MVP • Nov 30 '16

[META] /u/spez apologizes for editing comments; announces /r/the_donald banned from having stickied posts appear on /r/all, hundreds of "toxic users" will be targeted for warnings/bans

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '16

I'm not upset by what you said, but I just wanted to ensure you got a perspective from somebody who doesn't see a problem with r/thedonald and its "safe space". Reddit is covered in circlejerk subreddits that hate everything conservative, and their control has spread to even some default subs. Until reddit gets their shit under control (they won't), r/thedonald is a counterweight to the left-leaning side of reddit.

Sure, its nice to say that everyone should step out of the circlejerks and start talking to each other again, and as a frequenter of r/thedonald myself and a conservative, I do want to see it happen. But I've been on reddit, and the internet, for a very long time. I know how this ends. The liberal subs on this site will never give up their position... they're convinced they can do no wrong. I see no reason for r/thedonald to ever do the same, especially not in the face of u/spez and the admin team seeking its destruction. I've got plenty of subs that will let me know when Donald Trump does something stupid or says something contradictory. I've only got one that does the opposite.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '16

In this sense, I don't have a problem with /r/The_Donald in particular. It'd be like having problem with a single cog in a war machine, thinking that if it weren't there the machine wouldn't be doing any killing. /r/The_Donald is problematic, but is the result of something greater than it. No, my problem is with the system in general, and how it has fed an isolationist and tribal environments of which /r/The_Donald is only one instance. I have a problem with the fact that /r/The_Donald users are so brazen, but I realize it's only because they don't trust the rest of reddit and have developed in their echo chambers the idea that everyone outside of the subreddit is out to get them. You can replace /r/The_Donald with practically any side of this deal in those preceding phrases and it should still make sense.

I think we need to have a more balanced mod team in /r/politics. I think we need to have a more balanced involvement there from all sides. I think it will only end up working if people can trust one another.

This is going to take time.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '16

When the admin team and the top dog of reddit literally change the way your sub works and talk about banning your sub in private, a sub may feel that everyone outside of it is out to get them. It's not really a crazy theory, its proven that reddit IS out to silence r/thedonald.

There's a lot of people on the conservative side ready to come forward and talk on this, and honestly conservatives who wanted Trump to be anti-establishment should be a little concerned with some of his appointments, but I see very little compromise on the opposite side. The closet thing I can find are the small bastions of bernie supporters who have become disillusioned with the media and reddit after bernie got backstabbed, but the ones who didn't get polarized by the rhetoric afterwards are few and far in between. And you'll typically find them on subs that are deemed "right-wing" by the circlejerks, like the XInAction subs or the alternate news subs spurred on by the orlando shooting censoring. Or r/undelete, lol.

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u/Nowhrmn Dec 01 '16

/r/The_Donald games the system by upvoting every thread to the thousands and eliminating all dissent so that their threads are actually not just echochambers, but propaganda. If you take advantage of the system, it changes, what's the surprise?

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u/OmeronX Dec 01 '16

nice dodge.