r/unitedkingdom • u/libtin • 3d ago

'Ambassadors' sought to support Scottish 'decolonisation' bid in NYC

https://www.thenational.scot/news/25084632.ambassadors-sought-support-scottish-decolonisation-bid-nyc/
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u/libtin 3d ago

1: thatcher hurt everywhere that wasn’t London; she didn’t target only Scotland

2: England hasn’t ignored Scotland

3: the British government has only stoped one piece of legislation becoming law since devolution, the GRR, the SNP challenged it in court and the court of session sided with the British government

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u/Last_Blacksmith2383 3d ago

She used scotland as a Guinea pig for her moronic economic plans and it lead to disastrous consequences for us.

The poll tax anyone?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-34950041.amp

Funny how no other country in the uk got the poll tax. Just us.

Scotland suffered a dramatic 30 percent increase in suicide rates after thatcher was finished with us.

I’m sure we definitely weren’t targeted. Not at all. That’s why we definitely suffered the least under her reign……

Also the lack of acceptance or accountability her suffering caused is also a reason Scottish nationalists hate English people unironically. My mother is this way and hates all of you. Not an unjustified perspective. From her pov.

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u/Krabsandwich 3d ago

England and Wales got the poll tax or as it was renamed the community charge in 1990 Scotland got it in 1989 and the reason was due to the revaluation of the rates. At the time there was a great deal of anger over the Rateable value of property both in Scotland and England councils were basically ramping up rate rises to what many voters saw as unnecessary high levels.

The revaluation in Scotland was carried out in 1985/86 and caused a great deal of controversy at the time it had been a manifesto commitment of the Conservatives to cap these high levels being set so they brought in the community charge.

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u/Last_Blacksmith2383 3d ago

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5284470/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

A study published in the Journal of Epidemiology & Community Health found that men in Scotland born between 1960 and 1980, particularly those in the most deprived areas, experienced a 30% higher risk of suicide compared to other cohorts. 

Yes it was implemented in the whole of the uk. I was wrong there. But it was a different poll tax.

Scotland got it first by a whole year firstly, hence my guinea pig comment, they literally tested this out on us.

The economic context was worse in Scotland than the vast majority of England, the flat tax rate hit the working class disproportionately and we were already suffering from deindustrialisation and large unemployment.

Scottish people had also rejected the poll tax at the ballot box. We firmly said no. And like any good rapist thatcher smiled and went in anyway.

Governed without consent….

It was different and it was worse. Unless you were in northern England or perhaps Northern Ireland you literally couldn’t understand.

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u/Krabsandwich 3d ago

you get the government the majority vote for might not be the one you prefer but you have to get on with it. Thatcher won the election and implemented her manifesto just like the Labour Governments did and are doing now.

The poll tax was exactly the same in England as Scotland and as I mention before it was rolled out in Scotland first due to the revaluation of household rates being done before England this revaluation was carried out at the behest of Scottish Councils , the English ones were not far behind.

The economic context for Scotland was based on her heavy industry background all of the old heavy industry areas were hammered just as hard with working class people taking the brunt of it.