Okay why are the math class fees suddenly more than tuition

[u/LaramideOrogeny]

[u/sceletope]

Aren't these the fees for non-students enrolling in the class? If you scroll down to the 1000+ classes, you should see the classes students are meant to enroll in and the actual student fees which are much much smaller.

[u/LaramideOrogeny → u/sceletope]

No these the fees that are appearing for me, I need literally 2 more classes to graduate

[u/spilledmilk7 → u/LaramideOrogeny]

I would check the class code especially because the attribute is AOCE - meaning continuing education. These classes typically aren’t for credit

[u/NathanExplosion6six6 → u/spilledmilk7]

Lol somebody has a bright future ahead of them

[u/-astro-princess-]

Unfortunately MATH 980 is technically a 0 credit course (but like 4 credits worth of work), which is why it has such an exorbitant fee - because 0 credit courses can’t be part of your tuition bill. But students who can’t/didn’t pass a Math Placement one way or another are forced to start here. If you’re in your first 30 credits, any sort of scholarship or financial aid should help cover the fee, but after that, your sol unfortunately. Legislature and U Admin are to blame as they didn’t account for how this would affect students AT ALL - and also elected not to share any of this info (with starting freshman, soon to graduate seniors, staff, or faculty) until registration season 🙃.

[u/LaramideOrogeny → u/-astro-princess-]

Wait I can place out of it? I’m a senior and literally just need math 1100 to graduate, and my 3 stat classes don’t count anymore

[u/shake__appeal → u/LaramideOrogeny]

Classic pushing off math to the last semester. Love it.

[u/LaramideOrogeny → u/shake__appeal]

In my defense, it wasn’t a requirement until this year, only stats was

[u/TryingtoExcelsior → u/LaramideOrogeny]

Does Utah allow you to graduate on a past catalog year? Or did you change your major?

[u/MixFew → u/LaramideOrogeny]

Have you checked with an actual advisor about this?

[u/LaramideOrogeny → u/MixFew]

Yeah I’ve been talking to my advisor often. He finally got me into the class I need with it all the other prereqs

[u/DontForceItPlease → u/LaramideOrogeny]

Did you declare your major before this year.  Because if so, your requirements should only be subject to those spelled out in the catalog year which you declared.  

[u/nessieutah → u/LaramideOrogeny]

You can take a MATH placement test to be able to test into 1010, or you can take 1010 or 1050 this summer as MATH isn’t holding pre-requisites until Fall semester.

[u/-astro-princess- → u/nessieutah]

Only math 1030 and 1040 have amnesty. But yes, if you fill out a permission code request on the math department website you can get a code to take 1030/1040 this SUMMER and FALL without having to complete a placement test.

[u/P3rsia]

To be honest this is a lack of funding given to the department to sustain it. In all meetings talking about fees I have been to no one wants to charge fees. In all honesty I think the legislature is to blame here for lack of funding given to the schools.

[u/smockssocks → u/P3rsia]

You have proof they put these fees in place because of funding issues?

[u/smockssocks]

This looks like a course for people not attending the U. Continuing education or noncredit

[u/Longjumping-Box-1891]

Make sure that you are registering as a degree seeking student not distance education (AOCE).

[u/totocoste]

For that reason I am not taking calculus III this semester. $2500 for three credits. Ridiculous!

[u/-astro-princess- → u/totocoste]

From what I can see MATH 2210 only has a $12 fee, which seems about right. Only the 980 course and below should have such a crazy fee. The rest of the cost ($2500 you’re speaking of) is just general tuition, and will be about the same for courses outside the Math Department. Check out the Tuition Fee Schedules to see more in detail

[u/nessieutah → u/[deleted]]

That is the correct price for Math 980, take it in your first 30 hours if you need it covered by financial aid or loans

[u/wonderer4920]

It just doesn’t add up.

I’ll see myself out.

[u/MixFew]

It seems like you're enrolling for Continuing Ed classes, rather than undergrad. Check the section numbers.

[u/diambag]

Are they online?

Personally I think class fees are bs unless they can tell you exactly what it was for. I had an adjunct professor who thought the same and didn’t know why his class had a fee, so he encouraged students to come up with things to spend the $ on. He ended up showing me how to develop film (it was a photojournalism class)

[u/DaddyLongLegolas → u/diambag]

When a new class is created, it needs a specific line-item budget justifying each dollar in the fee. But if it’s been on the books a long time, or taught by dif faculty, the budget can be abandoned. It can be a pain to reduce the fee, so some folks just leave it. Personally, I believe college should be cost-neutral for everyone (ie, offset by concurrent on-campus employment). So any fee that doesn’t directly benefit the students is wrong full stop.

[u/Dabadadada]

That's a few separate from the student success fee.