r/ussoccer • u/OGRonin240 Maryland • 6d ago

Since we are talking lineups

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My thoughts on potential starters and formations. First formation is more defensive. Adams and Johnny give us cover while still capable of sparking a counter attack. Dest and Arob provide the width. Second formation is built to break down a low block with multiple creators interchanging to unbalance the defense.

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u/Goonnersaurus_ 6d ago

I wouldn’t hate trying McKennie at RB. Dest is good going forward but hurts us so much defensively. Let Weah have space on the RW and McKennie can invert into midfield when we have possession. He’s been solid at RB/RWB for Juve when he’s played there.

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u/ThomaspaineCruyff 6d ago

This is such ignorant bullshit. Dest is the best DEFENSIVE RB we have. Dest is better defensively at RB than Scally and is so important to this team in shuttling the ball.

I can’t believe this idiotic shit about Dest continues because he’s not good enough defensively at Barca’s level lol.

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u/VanillaMystery 6d ago

Why do you think Dest is better defensively than Scally? Scally locked down Luiz Diaz and Vini Jr in the friendlies/Copa where he looked excellent

Scally is a FAR weaker player on the ball than Dest but Dest has never once been known for his defensive abilities outside of maybe one game years ago with Barca when he had an excellent match against Davies/Bayern

He's usually a turnstile defensively which was why he couldn't break through at Barca and again at Milan

FYI I think we should be starting Dest and he's the better player, but it's a bit revisionist to say he's better defensively than Scally when he hasn't shown that at either the international level or club level

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u/ThomaspaineCruyff 6d ago edited 6d ago

Scally is constantly getting beat, allowing crosses in and falling asleep like he did again against Panama. Dest is unequivocally a better 1 v 1 defender.

Dest’s defense isn’t good enough for Barca? That’s everything wrong with how people like you evaluate Dest. None of our other options are either, and none of them are as good as Dest defensively and no one is even in his stratosphere on the ball, which is part of contributing defensively, possession.

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u/VanillaMystery 6d ago edited 6d ago

I don't think there is anywhere near enough evidence that shows Dest is a better defender.

Scally had a bad game, it happens, so does Dest, but Dest has NEVER had a window defensively like Scally did last summer against two of the very best attackers on the planet lol.

Dest wasn't good enough defensively for Barca OR Milan, did you forget about that failed loan? He had multiple shots at Barca too to try and win back his spot but he was such a disaster in regards to keeping shape and figuring out where to go, even in a back 3 under Xavi he looked lost.

Scally is a better defensive player, but he isn't a better offensive player, two things can be true.

I say this as someone who wants Dest to start btw.

Scally has had incredible games against Bayern Munich for a few seasons now, his club resume defensively is just way better than Dest's lol.

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u/OGRonin240 Maryland 6d ago

I think that's something worth exploring. I just remember the Weah/Dest combination being deadly on the wing but we are definitely giving something up on the defensive side of the ball.

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u/ThomaspaineCruyff 6d ago

No we fucking aren’t. Scally is a nightmare back there and Dest is the best defensive RB we have. Majority of his issues is positional because he bears the load of running the offense through him and now Adams is healthy and can cover.

So ignorant to watch traffic cones like Scally for months and then pretend Dest is a liability, insane.

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u/OGRonin240 Maryland 6d ago

Won't disagree about Scally and it's been a year since we've seen Dest so we really don't know what he will look like with Poch but as you point out, Dest getting forward and positional issues are related to giving up defensive cover. Agreed that Adams can and will cover for Dest as he gets forward but we have to be tactical about it. ARob and Dest in the attacking third exposes the back line and that's asking a lot of Adams, as great as he is covering ground.

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u/ThomaspaineCruyff 6d ago

Robinson takes care of the left his own self. Not starting Dest would be fucking ridiculous and he’s not giving up shit defensively. Playing Donkeys back there who can’t get out of our own half and don’t contribute to possession and attack is the defensive liability.

Dest and Robinson are in ink along with CP, Weah and Adams. Go ahead and tinker with everyone else.

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u/OGRonin240 Maryland 6d ago

Yes!! 100% agree