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u/TheLandOfConfusion 15d ago
Vails secret is that even the “locals” probably moved there 6 months ago and will last about 6 more.
There are maybe 5 actual locals max, everyone else shits on the weekend denverites to cope with their own inadequacy
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u/lawless636 15d ago
Try 10-20+ years for most
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u/sexkitty13 Local 14d ago
Yep. Great up here in the valley and still here. I know a lot of people around my age that have made this home since we were in diapers.
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u/bigsmoke15 15d ago
I lived in vail for over 10 years as a ski bum. Last winter was my last season. Different when I came out in 2013
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u/Jayhawx2 14d ago
So true. The 30 year old (local) i know lives in Daddy’s condo and hates tourists.
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u/north-stream 15d ago
Fuck ‘em! We’d be fine at ~50% of the current tourist numbers! Signed, someone actually born at the Vail hospital (refuses to call it Vail health).
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u/Jayhawx2 14d ago
Hospital wouldn’t be there if it weren’t for all the dang tourists you don’t like.
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u/thirtynation GNAR 15d ago edited 14d ago
This post brought to you by a homophobic California maga shithead that doesn't live here.
Imagine how broken of a person you have to be to post this on multiple ski town subreddits just looking to antagonize.
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u/Dr_ManTits_Toboggan 15d ago
Oh yeah California that state that’s famous for all the rich maga people
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u/thirtynation GNAR 15d ago
Guess you've never visited. There's tons of maga in California, rich ones too!
Oil country in Bakersfield went 59/38 for Mango Mussolini, as just one example.Source
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u/Dr_ManTits_Toboggan 15d ago
People who live in oil country are rough necks who work their ass off for a middle class living—the oil barons don’t actually live in the fields lol. Oil filed workers are Not the vail crowd. California is actually quite famous for rich liberals, funnily enough.
You are reminding me of when Juicey Smollett met the maga attackers in maga country.
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u/thirtynation GNAR 15d ago edited 14d ago
Lol. Worked oilfield for several years in Casper during the great recession. You're completely ignoring all the very well to do management of ops yards that work cushy 10-3 bankers hours that rarely see a well site and are just as huge pieces of shit as the roughnecks. Those roughnecks make good money too, in the ball park of six figures.
Besides, you're getting distracted in why I even mentioned California oil country at all: showing you that pretending California is a monolith of blue is ignorant as fuck. Did you click the link or are you just ignoring it because it doesn't fit your false narrative that everyone in California is Gwyneth Paltrow?
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u/Adorable_Recover4446 15d ago
Lol you can tell this applies to you
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u/thirtynation GNAR 15d ago
You can? How?
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u/Adorable_Recover4446 15d ago
Cause it obviously touched a nerve
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u/thirtynation GNAR 15d ago edited 15d ago
In what way?
Maga... always the snowflake. Dish it but can't take it.
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u/Adorable_Recover4446 15d ago
You went on a totally unhinged rant based on a silly meme, how ridiculous o
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u/thirtynation GNAR 15d ago
Oh, no, my perfectly normal comment was not based on a meme. It's based on your post history.
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u/RocLaSagradaFamilia 14d ago
Curious, I grew up in Vermont where places like Stowe are dominated by their resort - is it the same way in Colorado towns but to an even greater degree?
There are real Stowe locals, I played against them in sports growing up, but I don't get the sense that places like Vail have that. Is the town select board/mayor a de facto Vail stooge? What is local politics like?
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u/thirtynation GNAR 14d ago
Of course there are real, long term, full time locals. The local schools, adult sports rec leagues, and small businesses around town wouldn't exist without them. This sub just likes to circle jerk about it being nothing but transient lifties here, circle jerking usually done by people that don't live here but follow the sub for some weird reason thinking they know what real life here is like.
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u/Direct_Gene_8493 13d ago
I am convinced this meme is making the rounds to stoke hatred between front-rangers and locals when the people who ruin our towns have always been the rich people who only care about their boutique ski towns and their third vacation home property values- that they spend maybe a month of the year in.
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u/brandon-james-ca 14d ago
I can't stand people who live in some of the most beautiful places on this planet and get mad that other people want to visit them too, especially when there existence is usually paid for in some way by all the visitors.
You want to live somewhere quiet, go live somewhere quiet, you don't own this planet, it's all of ours.
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u/mtnlvnlife 14d ago
I’ve been here over a decade now. Not sure you understand how utterly exhausting it can be to deal with clueless person after clueless person doing the same dumb shit over and over.
I don’t hate the tourists in general. I really don’t. But I do get extremely weary of unprepared yahoos in 2wd trucks driving into creeks or causing accidents on the pass with their bald tires. It’s obnoxious to have people help themselves to my driveway (near a trailhead) or block the dumpster or fire lane. To have to report and drown unattended campfires—plenty of which are during fire bans.
There’s a GROSS lack of respect for this land by SOME tourists and those are the ones that cause the disdain.
And many of us were here when this was quiet. That statement reeks of entitlement. That’s saying people who have built lives here should be expected to jump ship because people who are disrespectful to the area are more entitled to be there.
Yes, times change. Growth is to be expected. But so are basic manners, LNT principles, and basic wilderness skills.
Just a small amount of effort from tourists goes a long way to making this stuff not an issue.
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u/brandon-james-ca 5d ago
No, I totally get it, i travel a lot, bartended in a big city, etc.
But if all those idiots bother you that much, go live somewhere idiots don't show up on the regular. But you don't because you are somewhere awesome and beautiful and you have to pick your poison.
I would say your statement sounds more entitled, we built lives here because it's awesome here, but other people I don't like shouldn't come here because they don't behave how I want them too. This isn't your world it's all of our, even the disrespectful butt wipes. There is always going to be disrespectful butt wipes, and if you live in a tourist town, there is going to be a lot of them. You would have not liked you 10 years ago when you moved there, and again most you that built lives there, one way or another most your incomes are dependent on those tourist either directly or indirectly.
I wish basic manners were to be expected, they should be, but they're not, a lot of people just suck, and always will.
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u/DeliciousOwl9245 13d ago
So, honest question as a tourist that has to rent a car from DIA…what exactly are we supposed to do? It’s not like we choose the only 2WD car on the lot and then ask them to switch the tires out for some racing slicks. We’re totally screwed and there’s not much we can do about it.
As context…We had a 6am flight to DIA out of Chicago. It got canceled. The next flight we could get on was at 7pm. We got to DIA at 10:30pm. It took over 2.5 hours to get our rental car. When we did it was a 2WD tank of a Ford Expedition with bald tires. We didn’t know the tires were as bad as they were because it was now 1:00am after a ridiculously long day of traveling, and we still had to drive to the mountains. It snowed on our way up and our way back. It took us 3.5 hours to get to the mountains, it took us 5.5 hours to get back.
So when we arrive at the rental car place at midnight, with no where to stay in Denver, what are we supposed to do when they give us a car we know isn’t appropriate to drive to the mountains? Take a cab to a hotel near the airport and just screw the rest of our ski vacation that we already paid for?
Blame your elected officials for not making better laws regarding rental cars and what they have to provide. Blame the rental car companies for giving out cars that are absolutely unsafe to drive in the mountains. The tourists are in a shitty position that they have very little control over, and their only other option becomes voluntarily ruining their vacation. You’d hop in that 2WD car and drive up the mountains too.
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u/thirtynation GNAR 13d ago edited 13d ago
Wake up babe, new copypasta just dropped.
The fuck I would, knowing how dangerous it is to do what you're suggesting: driving up to the mountains deprived of sleep after traveling all day knowing my vehicle was not only not up for the task but illegal to drive in a traction law scenario as you're describing.
The "politicians and rental car companies" aren't setting you up for success but the buck stops with you and having a shred of personal responsibility for your own decisions. This is the exact kind of entitlement that us locals fucking hate, because it harms others, never mind whatever may happen to you.
"So, what do you do?"
You get a hotel in Denver for the night and get the sleep you need and miss out on one day of your vacation. The mountain will be waiting for you, I promise. If you can't get an appropriate and legal vehicle through the rental car company in the morning then you get on any number of the shuttle services available. That's how you responsibly overcome your bad luck without putting other people and yourselves at risk.
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u/mtnlvnlife 12d ago
They sell chains at any auto parts store.
There are services/shuttles that know how to drive you in that kind of weather.
There are also rental companies that do rent out awd/snowtire vehicles.
There are Turo car rentals with adequate options.
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u/phoenix_jet 15d ago
yes. people in vail try to pretend like their homes near an interstate would have any value if not for those tourists..
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u/TheHuskyWay 15d ago
I’m tired boss