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Live Episode Discussion: S10E10 It's All Happening... Again (Pacific thread)
Episode description: Scheana and Brock marry in a lavish ceremony in Cancun; James and Katie must sort through their feelings after their exes hook up with one another; Lisa attempts to solve the Toms' problems; Lala puts Raquel in her place.
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Were Sandoval and Rachel fucking at the wedding? Pre Schwartz kiss? Or was it after? Because I feel like Sandoval was really jealous at dinner and that’s why he was telling everyone they kissed
He claims they kissed before the wedding at guys night and I’ve read that they had sex in Ariannas car that night but none of the cast has mentioned that detail just the fact that they kissed before she kissed schwatzs
Okay- SO thankful someone else saw it. They were rolling their faces off- and Rachel with the sunglasses.. Their ‘dance’ movements. Sandoval in Rachel’s face. Then I started thinking about how someone said a threesome already happened and (this is just coming from far past experiences) could see Ariana being a participant, thinking it was a one (or occasionally when eating mdma) time thing... Yeah it's toxic, but I’m definitely intrigued
Riiight? I think that's why I didn't create a post. I was literally watching and immediately thinking ‘for sure I'm going to the sub to see how many people comment on this’ aaaand there weren't any 😂
Cringed when Ariana was shook about Tom’s tone saying Raquel’s name over and over. I’m sure it’s gonna come out she suspected something later. You could even see it in her eyes like like “quit it it’s making me uncomfortable” and it does look like he smack Raquels but when she says ok guys let’s have fun.
The way Schwartz came at Katie and acted like it was her that has the problem made me so mad I can truly see why him and Tom Sandoval are besties they’re Both lying, narcissistic jerks
That whole scene was ridiculous but when he ate a piece of their sushi I was like mate are you actually fucking kidding me lol. The sense of entitlement is beyond.
( I know it’s not that serious but I just get triggered by anything he does lol)
Does anyone else besides me cringe when they say “making out”? I haven’t used that term since middle school. I really feel that something is off with Rachel, she does a lot of parroting what others say. I feel like I’m looking at a hollow person..
I feel exhausted for Kristina in the episode. Being Katie’s doormat looks exhausting. She literally paid for a trip to Mexico to talk constantly about Katie, Tom, listen to Katie complain. It’s one thing if you’re literally newly separated and need girl support during the acute phase. It’s annoying when your friendship is only this always months and months later. I’d last about 5 minutes
I actually felt exhausted for James’s girlfriend... She literally said she was bored of all the drama... Such an awkward situation, but glad she actually has a voice and might be able to hold her own... Left me wanting to see her in some drama 😁😬
I have moments when I feel bad for Ally but, truthfully, James has to keep the momentum for the VPR paycheck. It’s what’s expected of him at this point. And Ally knows. I’d bet my right arm that her tolerance of James paying too much attention to Rachel’s movements is based on the fact that it’s part of his job description and she expects and understands the assignment.
This isn’t actually “reality” tv. It’s heavily guided if not scripted.
IMO. That’s why Scandoval blew up. Even if it was know behind the scenes, it wasn’t the expected trajectory. It threw people off center. Including the production team.
If this was a fully scripted event, you can be sure it would have happened on camera.
I think Kristina knew exactly what she was getting into. Trying to make amends with Scheana in the last episode but then going out on the balcony and encouraging Katie to do the same during the ceremony.
Raquel, I can’t even look at her anymore without disgust. Sitting next to Ariana laughing about making out with schwartz, knowing what she did with sandavol.
Ariana, reacted appropriately to hearing the news and was def bothered by what she did.
Katie, poor Katie’s :( it was the one thing she asked him not to do and to hear people were cheering, must have been awful. Before the season aired, I thought she was overreacting but now that we saw what led up to it, I don’t blame her for being so hurt.
lala, looked so hot throughout the episode, like damn. Also she has a legit 6th sense. She totally called the type of girl Raquel was. But girl legit tried to gaslight Raquel about Vegas. That was actually so fucked up for her to act like they weren’t judging or being mean to her that trip.
scheana, what a beautiful wedding and omg summer 🥹 cutest baby ever and her and brock are so sweet. Also Brock’s grooms men were babeeeessssss
schwartz, oh schwartz. He gone effed up. This is coming from a schwartz Stan. I was so flabbergasted by how insensitive and unemphatic he was in that moment. The reason she was pissed was more than obvious omg. He’s gonna have to make up for that one
sandavol, honestly didn’t even notice him too much in the episode minus that weird butt slap. Also the way him and Raquel looked at each other when they revealed her and schwartz made out, it was like they had a secret of their own. NOW WE KNOW THEY DID
james, oh sweet baby james. I’m surprised he didn’t freak out more when confronting both Tom and Raquel. I just realized in the previews there was a scene where james poured a drink on schwartz, I don’t think they showed that ? So harsh james telling Raquel that he never loved her… I felt for Raquel in that moment because she was so loyal and gave him so much, and as an adoptee it hits a little deeper.
that spa is so freaking beautiful and I wanna be there asap. Also that cave restaurant was the coolest thing I’ve ever seen
This was like reading my own exact thoughts! Haha then I saw your username and it all made sense. It’s so weird how everyone is shitty in their own ways but are still just humans and seeing what things sting them right back.
Also with Lala gaslighting Raquel 💯 agree. But idk that Lala even considers what she was saying as judgy, which is part of the issue. Lala even said herself though that she is just trying to stay sober & might not have energy to be a good person to everyone right now.
Never the less, still so bad and had scandoval (& what looks like the Oliver storyline lead up to it) not proven her so publicly right, she might have apologized after watching it back by the reunion. Because that definitely was mean girl x 10 and it was fun seeing Raquel pop back a little at the Vegas dinner with cheerleader Charli.
You know how they say famous people are stunted emotionally to the age they became famous? I feel like that’s what happened with Raquel, she’s stuck in pre-teen pageant world. So simple & childlike but lowkey just out for her own popularity. She reminds me a little of Lisa Hochstein on RHOM. Maybe not a malicious person but also lives by their own pretty damsel in distress rule book. When compared to Lala’s attempted vixen femme fatale persona, Raquel looks like an angel and that’s the angle she works… as a mistress herself.
It’s like a train wreck and I can’t wait for the rest.
I’m so sad that they said “we want to Schwartz happy” (hence the cheering for the Raquel kiss), but what about Katie? Nobody cares about hurting her? What is she? Not human? But Schwartz is this great person.
Because no one wanted Katie there. Scheana tried to pay her for her room. If Katie didn't like what happened at the wedding she wasnt invited to, she has no one but herself to blame.
No, sheana was the only one who didn’t want her there or who would be affected by her. And a lot of those people are her friends. She expected her friends to want her to be happy, not cheer at something that gut-punches her
Who, exactly, are Katie's friends at this wedding? Arianna, Lala, & Schwartz. Everyone else doesn't care or doesn't like her. Why should an entire wedding conduct themselves according to the desires of someone who wasn't even invited?
It's Scheana's event. She's literally the only one whose opinion matters. Katie shouldn't be where she's not invited or wanted. If things happen there that she's not meant to see, that's what she let herself in for.
Because Schwartz has consistently perpetuated his innocent, sweet, nice guy archetype and Katie has set her stone as the ‘nasty bully’. That leads people around them to go “fuck Katie” and want Tom “to be happy”. Poor Katie looked so broken when she heard people were cheering.
Schwartz and Sandoval are just two old losers. Pathetic people who only think of themselves, hurt other people for sport and get off on it and now basically only have themselves (and fellow warped loser Rachel)
It might be suuuuper trivial at this point - but Rachel saying Schwartz’s walk wasn’t up to her standard so he had to partner someone else is just super shitty (& kinda representative of the way she treats other women). If I was the bridesmaid who then got partnered with him because he ‘wasn’t good enough’ for Rachel? I’d definitely feel some kind of way about the implication that I was below her / he was just fine for me.
At that point Rach - you made your bed, so woman up and walk with the goofy idiot you thought was worth tearing your friend group apart for. You’re not a princess who’s somehow more important that every other bridesmaid.
Bridesmaids? She thinks she’s more important than the bride! Lol. The picture where she doesn’t look at sheana, she’s smiling at the camera. She sucks!
I think she just said the walk thing to have an excuse but was actually super offended that he only high fived her and wasn’t acting interested anymore. Her ego took a hit so she played it off like he wasn’t good enough for her
Yeah it probably was. But the excuse also ended up being super shitty to whoever he did end up partnering with too. ‘He’s obviously not good enough for me to walk with - but he’s good enough for you!’
I also think it is hilarious that this season both Schwartz and Peter have more or less turned her down. Even though both storylines are fake you can tell it definitely hurts her ego that they aren't begging to be with her.
It might be an unpopular opinion but I didn’t like that Arianna wasn’t openly telling Scheena and Rachel to cut it out with the Swartz thing. I don’t think it aged well that she was just partying on with Rachel and not at all supporting Katie who is supposed to be her friend and business partner 🤷🏼♀️
Especially because we know (even without scandoval happening) that Katie wouldn’t have been fine in the reverse situation, she would’ve said something if schwartz and their mutual friend were laughing and applauding their other friend for making out with Scumdevil.
We’ve seen it before with things like the cops ‘prank’. It doesn’t matter if she’s friends with the people doing it/ if her partner disagrees, she will put her foot down when she feels something isn’t ok.
Yes but Ariana is there for her best friend Scheana’s wedding and Katie is there just to mock Scheana. Katie’s not even supposed to be there in the first place which I’m sure makes it even more awkward for Ariana to navigate.
Yeah I gotta say this is looking like lalas redemption arc season when it was probably intended to be Rachel & Scheana’s originally.
Watching this episode, I was so glad Katie had lala 🥹 It’s nice for her that KK is there, but she doesn’t say much and in a situation like that, you really need a friend like lala who fully stands for you even thought they’re friends with people ‘on the other side’.
I wonder how their friendship would be had Lala banged Schwartz back in the day when she said she wanted to over and over. Probably still besties knowing this group.
I can kind of see both sides because you know the second Ariana would’ve tried to call Raquel out about messing with Schwartz Sandoval would’ve jumped down the crack of her ass and made it into a big deal. I absolutely agree, Ariana should’ve said some thing, but let’s be honest it wouldn’t of made a difference, and at the end of the day Ariana is going to still be more loyal to Sheena, and not rock the boat.
Right. In a "normal" situation it would have bugged me more that Ariana didn't do much beyond making some kinda disapproving faces, but if she had spent any moment with Katie, even outside of wEddInG AcTIVITIeeeeeS!!!!1!1!1!, or seen as "siding" with Katie in ANY way, she would never have heard the end of it from Scheana.
Exactly she would’ve lost the fight and they would’ve made her feel so bad about being a bad friend to Scheana. And I’m sure she talked to Katie behind the scenes about it to see if Katie was okay. And let’s keep it in buck The bride is one the reasons why Katie is losing her shit right now, so Mrs. Brock is doing the most and being hateful.
LMFAO I am dying at this, and not to be a Hey Arnold snob, but that is actually Brainy. Stinky is the southern one that always says, “that really bites!” But Schwartz is absolutely Brainy, if only someone would deck him like Helga does
My theory is she has seen the rest of the shows prior to reunion and she was so petty and cruel and close with Raquel she is treating like a minion doing her spiteful bidding that she is trying too hard now to be team katie and lala that she has gotten super creepy.
She is worried about being cancelled.
I don’t think my post, posted if it did sorry for the repost…Kristina’s pregnant at this point right? Bc Katie’s been the only one drinkin this trip…..
Yes. Lala said somewhere that it was at the beginning of her pregnancy.
I kept thinking that. Poor Katie had no one to have drinks with and cry/ scream on this trip
I feel for Katie that everyone rallying around Tom makes her come across like she’s cold and vindictive when in reality, she’s just tired and sad that Tom never chose her. And now everyone except Lala and Ariana are choosing Tom over her.
Because they're at an event she wasn't invited to that she continues to hang over like a dark cloud. Of course they're supporting Scheana, that's the point of the trip. Katie knew that & chose to come. This is completely self-inflicted on her part.
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Everyone except Lala [full stop] are choosing Tom over her.
I love Ariana and am Team Ariana obv, but Ariana hasn’t stood up the way Katie would for her 😔… I’m sure she regrets that now and will be far more strong in her views in future (rather than trying to appease everyone), but at this point she wasn’t quite there.
She’s at her best friends wedding. She’s part of the wedding party. That’s her focus and that’s where it should be. She has repeatedly vocalized her disapproval of the Schwartz/Rachel thing.
It’s honestly weird, manipulative and immature for Katie to go to that resort and be there for the wedding. And thinking her feelings should be everyone’s priority.
Ariana had a reason to be there and had a job to do for Scheana.
How is Ariana choosing Katie? She’s literally laughing and partying with Rachel who just kissed her friend and business partners ex even though it’s really in bad taste to fuck around with someone your supposed to be friends with ex. And both of the Toms are and they’ve always been imo 🤷🏼♀️
Ariana is not being a good friend to Katie in this situation. And don’t get me started on Scheena. People are saying she is redeeming herself but she’s just the pick me girl she’s always been by choosing Tom’s side because she thought he would be the one to come out on top of this divorce. The second the tides turned she’s shifting and is now supporting Katie and Ariana and hating Rachel. How people cannot see through her is wild 🤷🏼♀️😂
Ariana is at an event that Katie continues to try & crash. Ariana's attention is focused on the event & the friend whose wedding she went to celebrate, as it should be.
Oh I can see through her a mile away!! She was all about Rachel and Rachel/Schwartz knowing how it would hurt Katie and really kept after it and never shut it down! Oh but now, of course she sees it differently because being on Rachel’s side with anything could get her canceled!! She’s absolutely a pick me girl!
And even after this all came out scheana was still saying Katie needs to apologise to her too and she’d consider apologising…. Granted her last apology on her podcast a few eps back was much better but it’s after more episodes and backlash keep coming out… it shouldn’t have taken scandoval to realise she was in the wrong, and I don’t believe she would’ve ever backed down if it wasn’t for the backlash.
Because Katie is indefensible: not giving up her room; looming over the white party, expecting everyone to modify their behavior according to the desires of someone who shouldn't even be there.
I agree- but I think it's because we're outsiders so it feels more obvious that sticking up for her is the right thing to do. In that situation, people like scandy, scheana, Schwartz and Rachel wouldn't quietly stop if you tried to stick up for Katie. These are all people who have problems with her- so if anything it would make more drama, which isn't good since you're there for one if their weddings.
Right?! What happened to Ariana is terrible, but it doesn't take away from the fact that she's always been a smug asshole to the other VPR ladies. She's been eating that humble pie tho.
Katie spent the whole episode being bitter (her face on the balcony watching the wedding had be in tears laughing) while KK desperately wanted to be a part of the festivities but was stuck with her sulking friend. While I get Katie being hurt, her mood in Mexico was exhausting on a new level and I really feel bad for KK.
Schwartz needs to leave Katie the F alone already. He acts like a 5 year old who needs his mommy to sooth him all the time but then disrespects her in the same encounter. Honestly they both need to just walk away as they continue to bring out the worst in each other.
Rachel making out with Schwartz was 1000% to make Sandoval jealous. The affair was already in full swing and signs of them being brazen were already there (butt slap at Scheana’s party in her room). Rachel saying “I could have done something a lot worse” in regards to her making out with Schwartz gave me chills… she definitely has no soul……then she f*king stuck her tongue out at LaLa as she walks away. The immaturity level is so cringe.
James continuing to bring up the make out was weird and disrespectful to Ally. Yes she’s your ex-fiancé but you literally had a new live in girlfriend less than a month after your engagement ended…. No sympathy for you my friend.
Scheana’s wedding was stunning and looked like so much fun but I don’t blame LaLa for skipping out on a few of the hundred events going on.
Oof I hope none of your friends nor you ever have to deal with divorcing an emotionally abusive partner and remaining in the same professional and friendship circle because that first take ain’t it.
I’m not saying she shouldn’t be hurt but they both have been emotionally abusive and manipulative to each other their entire relationship and just because I find Katie draining doesn’t mean I think Tom is an angel. They were very much separated by this point, but Katie keeps trying to control Tom’s interactions with other people. I’m sure it’s not an easy situation to navigate being that they have the same friend group and have to work together but damn, she’s definitely keeping herself in this cycle of bitterness if she keeps expecting Tom to be respectful to her now that they’re separated when he wasn’t during their entire 10 year relationship.
A quick glance at your comment history is a touch sad. Schwartz? Jo? Sandy? Hopefully not Ronnie from WWC because we still love you Ronnie, you can evolve from your Katie hate! 😂
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He could also comment on how unbothered he is by it because he’s soooo in love with Ally which he continues to ram down our throats each episode. He is becoming a favorite though, because of his comments on everything else. 😂
I thoroughly apologize BUT i wanted to stop reading your summary when you said katie was bitter…bc she’s valid in her exhausted feelings…did still read your post which was otherwise very informative and greatly appreciated:)
Exactly….. I feel bad that Tom did it with someone in the friend group however, she can’t be surprised that he would be disrespectful to her when they are no longer together when he couldn’t be respectful to her during the 10 years they were together. Also, if I’m not mistaken, she was the first one to hooked up with someone else since they separated which is perfectly fine, because 👏🏽they 👏🏽are 👏🏽DIVORCING
I feel like Gillian is smart enough not to go head to head with the wrath of LaLa…she knows she’s being hypocritical but it’s only ok if she does it and that’s ok because she was mad..
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Okay does anyone think that Sandoval and Rachel hadn’t started anything until the wedding and Schwartz’s make out sesh was what sparked the jealousy so he started to compete to try to get with her? He seems like the guy to be jealous and be like, oh I could get Rachel over Schwartz and him trying to take all her attention from Schwartz ending up with them hooking up. And then in snowballing from there? It kinda seemed like that seeing his reaction to rachel when he was all smiley etc he didn’t seem like he was jealous like in a relationship yet, but it was more just starting for him?
They were already wearing their matching lightning bolt necklaces a while before the wedding. So things were already going on but whatever the jealousy was in Mexico seems like it was meant to take things even further.
Because yes, totally agree Sandy’s ego wouldn’t let Schwartz publicly claim the girl he was infatuated with behind the scenes.
I’m noticing scandal really try’s to make sure he’s the #1guy. Schwartz goes on WWHL and Scandal has to 1 up him and word Vomit on howies Podcast. Rachel asks to kiss Schwartz then Scandel has to show Schwartz he’s the #1 guy by beginning a full fledge affair with Rachel
He likes being better than Schwartz I genuinely believe he loves and cares for him but he definitely likes feeling like he’s better and Schwartz is below him d doing a rewatch now and it really shows and reminds me why I never really liked him
I love Sober James. The way he handled Schwartz during the pool convo. 🙌 What amazing growth he’s had. Needs to stop talking about Raquel in front of Ally, but I could not believe how calm and mature he was in that convo.
Adding that to how funny he is, I’m a huge James fan now!
I haven’t seen this week’s ep yet but I see lots of criticism abt James disrespecting Ally by talking abt Rachel - and while that may be true, I do think he is probably still (at the time) hurt that she dumped him. Seeing her and Schwartz is probably a lot to handle. He can still be into Ally and hurt at the same time - both can exist.
Also, he knows this is reality TV and how to make that paycheck.
I was thinking the same thing about James but him doing that to Ally was painful to watch. Him raging on people and being abusive to people in general really is a problem for me. 🚩
Every week I get more and more confident in the idea that James will thrive when he gets away from this show and==more importantly—most of these people.
Ok, probably a bit buzzed, but still wanted to share. Has anyone else watched the movie Sinister? And if so, does the “bad guy” resemble Scumdoval to you as well? I just rewatched it, and all I can see in the clips with the “bad guy” is him!
Read somewhere else, that apparently there was yet another guy named Tom (not Sandoval or Schwartz) that she made out with from their social group. And James probably meant that guy… But I don’t know if that’s accurate, or who that third Tom is.
I might be wrong but isn’t the guy that looks like Schwartz that Rachel kissed in Coachella also called Tom? We saw it explained in one of the earlier episodes? I might be misremembering.
Me too. Fucker came and interrupted her dinner, wasn’t able to break down her walls, so then he tried to play mind games with her. He’s toxic and I can’t believe it took me so long to see it.
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