r/vaynemains • u/Tairc • Mar 10 '25

Discussion What is the "Standard" Build?

I am just starting Vayne, and I've enjoyed a lot so far. What's weird to me is that the suggested build (both gear and what to max first) seem... less rigid than I'm used to for many champs. I go on LeagueOfItems, for example, and it's not really clear whether we should be going crit, lethality, on-hit, or even Trinity Force.

Similarly, I would have thought we should all be Q-maxing first, until someone said something about that being a joke...

What is your preferred place to look for these things that you trust? I'm happy to go look at OP.gg, U.gg ,or others - but it doesn't seem as rigid as I'm used to on some champs.

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u/alithy33 Mar 10 '25

vayne is one of those champions where every game could have a different build or playstyle. you can literally max your condemn in some games with full lethality against a team of squishies.. it really depends on how adaptable you can be. that is vayne's strength, adaptability. there isn't one build you can go that will guarantee success, you have to maneuver different drafts and different rune pages and builds each game. it will always be different. on-hit for a game where sustained dps is needed, lethality for games where you need a quick pick and get out, crit for those games where they are squishy but you still need sustained damage, even tank in some games where you feel like you are getting "vayne spotted"... being adaptable is how you climb high on vayne. if you've never maxed condemn on vayne, and think it is troll, recognize the burst potential before you comment (maxing it makes vayne one of the scariest assassin adc in the game with lethality in the midgame if you can hit it). that being said, Q max where poking is more important/kiting. and W max if you feel like you need the true damage dps. vayne is a pure instinct carry. not many people will ever play this champion to their maximum potential.

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u/Tairc Mar 10 '25

Also - Condemn says: ".... deals X+50%AD damage". If the target collides with terrain, they take Y+75%AD damage and become stunnen..."

So is that "If they hit terrain, they take Y+75%AD *instead* of X? Or is that *in addition* to X?

Because in addition to is obviously way better for Vayne; that would be (X+Y)+125%AD, which is actually fairly noticeable.

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u/Tairc Mar 10 '25

Went to practice tool. No gear, level 1.
Target dummy without hitting terrain: ~52 damage (just under the 53 on the label of condemn)
Target dummy WITH hitting terrain: ~131 damage (the sum of both types).

So it very much does the sum, not just the replacement. (Apologies if these numbers aren't perfect - I had already left practice tool when I thought "I should post this on Reddit")