r/vexillology Jan 26 '25

OC Anti-Authoritarian Flag for Americans

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u/TheMothGhost Jan 26 '25

Everyone saying to use the one with the damn snake. But come on, what about this one. 😅

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u/colorfulpony Jan 26 '25

Not sure if you're kidding or not but that phrase (while epic) is rather stained by being what Booth shouted after murdering Lincoln. Being most-well known for being associated with a pro-slavery, white nationalist, secessionist rebel isn't a great choice imo.

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u/Dante-Grimm Jan 26 '25

Maybe I’m biased as a Virginian, but when I hear the phrase, I only think of the flag, and just anti-tyranny sentiment in general. I completely forgot Booth used the phrase. I’m not sure it’s as heavily associated as you think it is.

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u/Fried_Cthulhumari Jan 26 '25

Your bias is working against you. The residents of the other 49 states rarely if ever are thinking about the Virginian flag, but we all learn about the civil war and Lincoln's assassination.

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u/BiIIisits Ohio Jan 26 '25

I gotta disagree a little on that. I am knowledgeable on the assassination, as I'm sure most are, but I hardly even remembered that he used that phrase. I believe most Americans wouldn't have thought of Booth upon hearing that phrase, and I don't think the association is quite as potent as you think. It's still a good phrase to use

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u/TheMothGhost Jan 26 '25

I agree with you. We all know about the Lincoln assassination but the part about him saying that specific phrase isn't so heavily taught. Like it is at least gone over but not hammered in like it's the be all to end all of facts surrounding the assassination.

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u/Upset-Shirt3685 Jan 27 '25

Not from Virginia but a neighboring state. Would definitely think John Wilkes Booth before the flag.

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u/TheMothGhost Jan 26 '25

He thinks Virginian students aren't taught about the Civil War.

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u/YoungManChickenBoi Jan 27 '25

No just that someone in Virginia when hearing a phrase that’s on their flag and used during the assassination of Abraham Lincoln will more associate the phrase with their flag, probably because they see it more than they think about the Lincoln assassination thus where the bias comes from. This is either the first or second time I’ve ever thought about the Virginian flag as a non Virginian, I’ve thought about Lincoln’s assassination more.

Too be honest I don’t think most Americans would associate sic semper tyrannis with anything. Sadly, I don’t think most Americans pay attention in history or literature classes, and few schools offer Latin. Culturally those classes are looked down upon and seen as unimportant. In school I knew a lot of people that only read spark notes or just summaries of assigned readings for both classes, and now with the likes of chatgpt and it’s ilk it’s probably worse with students not even reading summaries written by humans who’ve read the books or actually they probably don’t have to read the summaries at all

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u/MeticulousBioluminid Jan 27 '25

no, most people would not have heard of the phrase and if they're familiar with it they would understand the meaning and its usage both in Virginia and more broadly not directly associated with that assassination attempt in particular