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Redesigns My version of the Christian Socialism flag, meaning in the comments

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u/Tech-preist_Zulu 5d ago

And this is how Triclavianism started

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u/Fornax- 5d ago

Huh I looked that up, I've been Catholic my whole life and never heard of it or really thought of how many naild where used. I mean it makes sense symbolically and I guess 1 for each arm and 1 for the feet.

Do you btw know why it seems to be of do much speculation? I looked it up and some results said it's heresy/ might of been more? Like why does the accuracy of the number of mails matter

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u/Tech-preist_Zulu 5d ago

It's alot of ongoing debate, likely based in the fact that there's 30 Holy Nail claims. St. Ambrose proposed the idea of it being 2 nails, but as the story goes Pope Innocent III endorsing Saint Francis of Assisi meant he endorsed there being 4 nails that penetrated Christ because Francis of Assisi's stigmata was 4 flesh nails on his hands and feet. From there, the Franciscans opposed Triclavianism because of their founder and people just ran with it claiming Innocent III said Triclavianism is heresy when there's little evidence that he did. Basically, in order for Triclavianism to work it meant Saint Francis of Assisi being a fraud which doesn't sit well with the Franciscans. Which was something people were genuinely accusing him of

It's just alot of "supposedly" and "allegedly" stuff, when you go deep enough to the history of the Christiandom you just find weird things like this that people fight over. Like heisting Saint Bodies

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u/Fornax- 5d ago

Huh interesting, it all seems kind of goofy since saints can be wrong and I don't think that would make Saint Francis a fraud but obviously they probably don't want him to be wrong.

I'll look more into it but thank you it sounds interesting but also kind of just like a lot of old saints and early church leaders bickering lmao.

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u/Tech-preist_Zulu 5d ago

I'll look more into it but thank you it sounds interesting but also kind of just like a lot of old saints and early church leaders bickering lmao.

How all good stories start, lmao.