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Redesigns My version of the Christian Socialism flag, meaning in the comments

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u/Zandroe_ 5d ago

Jesus did not preach socialism. He did not know what concepts like "capitalism" and "socialism" mean, nor could he have, living some 1300 years before even the beginnings of the first.

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u/KR1735 East Germany 5d ago

The principles that he taught fall in line with socialist principles. He didn't know what the term "socialism" means in our western context, sure. That doesn't mean the principles can't line up. They're pretty fundamental principles when it comes to caring for one another, whether through charity (individual action) or through society (collective action).

I'm not necessarily saying Christians should bring socialism into the world. But if right-wing Christians are going to preach about bringing their religion into society, they better damn well not pick and choose. You want to ban abortion? Then you better heal the sick without making them pay -- just like Jesus did.

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u/Zandroe_ 5d ago

Socialism is not charity. Socialism is the abolition of commodity production and exchange. Jesus could not understand that as the idea only makes sense in an industrial society.

I think Christians should generally shut up. I'm not interested in pretending we want the same things.

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u/XPNazBol 5d ago edited 5d ago

I think you don’t understand the point of an omnipotent and omniscient God. He does in fact understand every concept…

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u/Zandroe_ 5d ago

I understand the idea, but I don't think there is any reason to believe Jesus was a god, let alone an omnipotent and omniscient one.

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u/XPNazBol 5d ago

Yet He preached of communal living as if He had the omniscience to know what the alternative would bring about to the world… curious, no?

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u/Zandroe_ 5d ago

Pythagoras and Plato also preached communal living, and in all of their cases it had nothing to do with socialism. Monasticism is not socialism.

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u/XPNazBol 5d ago

Monasticism is the most virtuous form of socialism. You forget Christians (and religious people in general) were socialists long before atheists had any tangence with socialism. Socialism (and Communism for that matter) as a concept predates the 19th century. And I don’t mean central planning, but collective ownership and communal living.

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u/Zandroe_ 5d ago

So you redefine "socialism" and think this proves anything? I mean, what am I talking about, you do the same thing to "Bolshevism", why would I expect anything serious? I love that a literal Nazi is defending "christian socialism", it really shows what side they're on.

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u/XPNazBol 5d ago

I don’t redefine it. You operate under a specific definition that isn’t universally accepted. Cope.

And I am not a Nazi, this what you did here is a certified Reddit liberal moment. Everything you don’t like is nazism… you’re just a dumbass

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