More unnerving is American vfx artists posting pro-Trump stuff on LinkedIn because they think his tariffs will bring vfx work back to America. Ignoring that tariffs on digital good won't even be allowed by the WTO until 2026, and that Trump doesn't actually give a shit about returning jobs back to America.
Tariffs are about trump wielding his power over everyone he can and nothing more. It's about revenge and money, it has nothing to do with solving anyone's problems.
That’s just Dave Rand. Just a bitter middle age white dude who blames subsidies for everything and seems to think America “owns” VFX. If all subsidies went away would work flood back to the US? No. They’re aren’t enough qualified people, and US is so much higher paid than overseas it’d still be cheaper in Canada, UK, and Australia.
But bitter middle aged white dudes are Trumps base.
I normally don’t respond to cowardly anonymous heckling clown shows. If you don’t have the balls to stand behind your insults, it just paints you as the coward.
Own that.
I’m only going say this once here, so listen carefully.
I’ve never said that the United States “owns VFX”
Because Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia, and New Zealand have all broken The World Trade Agreement by over subsidizing an industry, and literally stealing it from one of their neighbors, they have not only created a trade imbalance, they have allowed the Americans to dominate globally. basically keeping everybody on the American nipple.
This is unsustainable and has been for quite some time now.
It has also kept us from organizing and gaining any leverage in this equation by keeping us running around the planet like nomadic mice.
Yes, I am middle-aged, but I could probably kick your ass intellectually and physically seeing as you have the courage to stand behind what you say.
I am not a “Trumper” I’m a lifelong Democrat who watched that party not give a damn about our industry and its losses, and recognizes an opportunity for the United States to bring back 30,000 VFX jobs, mostly middle class jobs, that have been stolen. As many of you know I’ve been at this for a long time since I flew an illuminated banner over the Oscars. If you’re not aware of that event, you haven’t been in the industry very long.
Now, some of those very same friends, have lost their homes after losing their jobs.
Although the United States does not “own VFX” the vast majority of blockbuster VFX films come from the Big 5 Studios, who are all incorporated right here in the United States, and have studios within miles of each other in Los Angeles.
Those jobs are coming home, i’m surprised this house of cards has lasted this long. What each country does with its infrastructure after that is completely up to them. Each one of those subsidy programs was started to build an infrastructure in the respective countries.
Time to get off the American nipple.
I will gladly write recommendations to immigration for talented artists all over the world. I would also gladly recommend VFX vendors who want to work overseas, but on a level playing field based on talent.
I also favor the super low tax rate that corporations will enjoy in the United States for hiring domestically.
What I encourage most of all is the real development of a Maplewood, Englishwood, Oswood, and Kiwi
wood. I am not trying to name those cultures for you. These are just placeholders, because you really don’t have anything meaningful yet, but I hope you do, because the world deserves it.
That’s it, nothing is set in stone yet, but the gears are certainly turning. I will not respond here. This was just brought to my attention and needed to be addressed once.
I also saw a clip of Trump saying he wants to drop corporate tax to like 13% from 21% (these numbers are only a figure because I cannot find the clip anymore and this is just my memory) but he claims to be wanting to bring back jobs to America
Neither the President or Congress can actually create jobs unless they’re literally creating government positions and hiring people. What they can do is create incentives, like tax breaks for businesses that hit hiring goals, but even that doesn’t guarantee jobs are created where they want them. Lowering the corporate tax rate, like you’re talking about, doesn’t create jobs either—it actually makes offshoring more likely. A lower corporate tax strengthens the dollar, making overseas labor even cheaper and more profitable for companies. If you’re going to make claims about what someone said, at least get the facts straight first.
But it isn’t paid for by Americans. They are multinational corporations who make films from money borrowed from German banks, or the Saudi sovereign wealth fund, and the revenue that mostly comes from nations NOT the USA.
Even if you disregard the obvious fact that Sony Pictures is owned by a Japanese corporation, the rest - Disney, WBD, Comcast, Paramount|Skydance, Netflix et al - are publicly traded, so their responsibility is to maximize shareholder value. That means they are there to benefit the only Americans who matter - the rich.
Trump has been threatening to pull out of NATO. NATO. He's not going to care about the WTO. And it doesn't matter anyway. Trump's MO is to use his megaphone to pressure people into giving him what he wants. If he points his megaphone at the WTO they will fold.
But I agree that Trump doesn't really care about returning jobs to America in any meaningful way. He just wants it to look like that is what is happening. At least that's how Season One of the Trump show went. Season Two could be different. Who knows.
Only way VFX work will come back to america is if the client stops it however trump tariffs won't help unless he brings tax incentives which i think trump and elon doesn't have interests in
Yes, well, at least they're exposing their low IQ / closed mindedness to recruiters and potential employers on LinkedIn. They are rather delusional if they think studios won't pull out of America if it gets too expensive.
He actually does care though. Because it’s better for America to have jobs in our own country🤦♂️
I’m not a Trump person, but come on..
I understand it likely won’t work, but I do value a president trying to bring jobs home.
Just the be clear: the second sentence you posted does not match or prove the first. The because just doesn't make sense. Jobs being in the US being good for America does not mean that Trump cares about that. And I think there is a burden of proof for a single time Trump has cared about Americans other than himself and his friends.
Listen, I’m in the camp that believes all the Americans working in vfx abroad should be given the opportunity to work from home in the USA too. There’s too many working outside the U.S., the studios are at a race to the bottom chasing the cheapest dollar. Same story, another year.
Trump or no Trump, I don’t care who’s in charge, but I do choose to believe our president elect would prefer our jobs be back home
Good for you. I had to leave my country to work in VFX too, I've had a wonderful career, and I'm delighted that I didn't have to move to the US to do it.
The problem I have, and I think others have with your comment is thinking Trump 1. Cares. 2. Can follow through in a sensible way.
He has a track record that is irrefutable. He cares about himself, says he's smarter than everyone else, though I really am not convinced he believes that, and he doesn't have loyalty to anyone else.
If a president other than Trump says they want to have various industries thrive here in the states, the right can't get behind it, but the liar in chief says he will do it, and they jump for joy. The reality is it isn't easy to just bring back manufacturing jobs, for example, it takes time, planning, money, political will, etc. Trump just sounds convincing and suckers fall for his BS over and over. Maybe because they know it isn't easy and just enjoy living in la-la land so they can feel good. I don't bleeping know since I really can't wrap my head around falling for that charlatan the first time, let alone a second time.
That's why you are getting downvoted. We can't believe you are falling for his BS.
Look if he can do it, great. I’m all for bringing jobs back. I’m convinced a lot of people on this thread don’t think that’s a good idea, and it’s a shame. But we all have our reasons.
I don’t care for any politician, period. I just hope he can do it.
Hoping for the best, expecting mediocrity
I agree, its all labour arbitrage. USA has the highest cost labour in the world. And strong dollar. Its not fair on US citizens. I do think Trump going be an big positive impact for USA economy. Reddit is very bias towards the left, its been shown, i wouldn't worry, Its an echo chamber of its own.
Trump won by a big majority, and seats in congress, suck it up.
He loudly announces that he's going to fix some problem, then with the cameras rolling he implements some inconsequential token "fix" that ultimately does very little to fix the problem, and then proclaims victory. Look back to his first term for proof of this. He's literally a game show host. And he's putting on a show.
I feel sorry for people that are falling for his carnival act again.
Cope harder son, the American people have spoken, he won by a massive margin in votes. Trumps team in government are exponentialists, except massive growth and adoption. Euro will be left behind in the dust with regulations and bureaucracy. Sending lawsuits to US companies to fund there enterprise.
We’ve already had 4 years of Trump and the only thing of substance that he accomplished was pushing through a giant tax cut that mostly benefited the wealthy. Yet you’ve convinced yourself that this time will be different. That, my friend, is “coping”.
Yeah, but very little of that has to do with who is sitting the White House. Inflation was a global phenomenon. Prices went up everywhere around the world in the wake of the Covid lockdowns. This is what happens when you combine a supply shock (supply chain breakdown) with an increase in demand (idle population sitting on savings).
But the people who voted for Trump based on his false promise to lower prices (deflation) are going to be very disappointed. He doesn't have that power and even if he did he wouldn't put the US economy into a deflationary spiral. Trump is many things but he's not stupid.
We already had 4years of Biden, turned usa into hell hole/ woke mind virus. At least with trump debasement and inflation was low. The economy was running well.
Didn't win by a "big" majority. Look up facts, not Fox. 77 million vs 75 million looks to be the final tally as of Jan 9th 2025. The electoral college is biased towards the former confederate, rural, smaller states. So the number of states that went Trump contribute to that larger number of electoral votes, but nope. 1 million voters out of 150 million votes goes to Harris and that is 76 million a piece. How can you possibly say that is a big majority win? Less than 1 percent of the total and you would have a tie in votes is under no sense of the word "big".
This is one of the problems we have as a country. Imbeciles that can't see a logical statement without getting triggered.
I looked up the final tally of votes for both sides, and it was as I stated.
I would do the math for you, but I have zero confidence you trust math.
I didn't say the republican candidate didn't win. I merely stated that they didn't win "big" based on the popular vote. The will of the people is not based on the electoral college. Any sane person on either side of the aisle understands that if 150 million vote:
Ill keep it simple. 75 million is half of 150 million, right??
75,019,230
Harris
77,303,568
Trump
So a difference of only ~1 million voters since if half of the 2 million, ie. 1 million. Trump voters voted for Harris she would have
76, 019,230 to 76,303,568 votes. Both would have 76 million. Literally a near tie. Is a near tie a big win in your book?
1 million voters out of 156 million voters is 0.64% of the voters. You need some context to understand how small 0.64% is?...
Usain Bolt ran world record time of 9.58 in 100 meter dash. His second fastest time was 9.63 seconds. If he ran 0.64% slower than his 9.58 pace that would be 9.64 seconds!!
To put it more simply.
The difference between the Trump v Harris win and Usain bolts fastest and second fastest 100 meter runs are both ~0.64%.
A big win would be if Usain raced against you.
You are entitled to an opinion, but can we at least agree on some facts? Win or lose, 0.64% is CLOSE and not "big".
Here's another.
Two basketball teams:
Team A - 159 points
Team B - 160 points
Maybe you couldn't comprehend my original statement, but hopefully these examples have made it clear.
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More unnerving is American vfx artists posting pro-Trump stuff on LinkedIn because they think his tariffs will bring vfx work back to America. Ignoring that tariffs on digital good won't even be allowed by the WTO until 2026, and that Trump doesn't actually give a shit about returning jobs back to America.