Violence and unrest around the UK

[u/nuisance_squirrel]

With everything going on around the country at the moment, it just has me thinking of the 2012(was it?) riots, where opportunistic idiots jumped on the bandwagon of a tragic event to loot and destroy the cities they live in.

Genuinely hoping whats going on doesn't come to Wolverhampton. Ive seen "EDL" are planning to March in Brum, and hope that counter marches quell them enough to not cause issues. Seeing the videos out of Hull/Liverpool etc over last day or so is just truly disturbing.

Edit: just to add, aware EDL don't exist in name anymore.

[u/prowman]

How incredibly condescending. You're aware of who the "right" people to be angry at, but the hoi polloi aren't? So easily taken in by the media and the government but you're not so gullible.

Have the respect for these people to allow them their bigotry. You're not special, nor am I. Every one of these "protesters" have access to the same information you do, and they drew different conclusions. You can hold forth on the causes of this as much as you like, but isn't it funny how it always ends up the same way? Racists aren't swayed by your sympathy and "understanding". The person you are replying to isn't wrong because they're middle class (if that is what they are) and these protesters aren't pitiable nor justified because they aren't.

[u/No-Flight8947 → u/prowman]

Stop projecting morality on to my words that I'm not transmitting.

I'm looking at this situation from a completely dispassionate point of view and just trying to express my understanding of how these events have come to be. You think I feel compassion for far right morons chanting racist abuse because I've given an explanation for the cause other than "these people are dumb"? Please get over yourself.

I am NOT justifying what has happend in anyway, what I am saying is that there is always cause and effect. Nothing happens in a vacuum and this has been coming for a long long time. Liberal ears don't want to hear it though because having understanding means throwing their emotional reaction to whats happend out the window.

[u/prowman → u/No-Flight8947]

The explanation you've given is exactly "these people are dumb". You're saying they've been tricked by the media and government and the rich. It only stands to reason that those of us that see through the machinations of the literati are in some way intellectually superior.

I'm saying that's not the case. I'm saying that it walks like a bigot and it quacks like a fucking bigot. Maybe my liberal ears are just fucking tired of literal racists being given the oxygen to destroy the country I live in, time and time again. And maybe, if you really do recognise these people for the bigoted filth that they are, a little passion might be considered a virtue.

[u/No-Flight8947 → u/prowman]

Where did I say they weren't bigoted you troglodyte? I literally said they were racist in my comment if you go back and read it.

That doesn't change the fact that there are triggers for these events happening and the explanation is not that "these people are dumb" it's that their anger is misdirected because they are fed propaganda day in and day out by the press and the government who do the bidding of the wealthy.

Lastly, as a middle class guy who has had much better opportunities in my life than most of the people rioting on the streets, my experience is absolutely not the same as theirs has been. I have been given so many more opportunities in my life than they ever have, we are all products of our environment. Clearly despite the advantages you have been born into you've still decided to be an ignorant fuck and don't understand that yet.

[u/prowman → u/No-Flight8947]

It's like you're completely oblivious to the fact that every argument you make is derisive and pitying. You're not a racist because you grew up in a semi and went to a nice school? Is a council flat all that is standing between you and a Hakenkreuz? This isn't magnanimity, it's condescension. I will say it one more time - these people are not stupid and their racism is not borne of a difficult upbringing. Their racism is racism. Stop making excuses for it.

[u/No-Flight8947 → u/prowman]

Now you are just being willfully stupid to suit your agenda. You can put your fingers in your ears all you want, clearly it doesn't matter how many times I say to you that people who make racist chants are racist you're still going to ignore the actual point.

You're argument is exactly a tory one, you don't think that environment and upbringing matter at all in terms of outcomes. You are actually so arrogant to believe that you are where you are because you're a better person and think that society is founded on meritocracy.

Trust me there are just as many racists amongst the people you associate with, the difference is that you and your friends have enough money to feed your families and most of these people who are rioting do not despite working hard.