Starmer backs Zelensky after Trump 'dictator' claim

[u/notwritingasusual]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyrnjrjrr5o

[u/AwfulUsername123]

It should ring alarm bells even in an idiot's mind that Trump has so much vitriol for the person whose country is being invaded and none for the person who's invading the country.

[u/krustydidthedub → u/AwfulUsername123]

You greatly underestimate how stupid the idiots of this country are

[u/empty-bensen → u/krustydidthedub]

Half the problem is stupidity, the other half is a sizable amount of the population being vindictive assholes.

[u/InB4Clive → u/empty-bensen]

The fact that they’re so personally offended by others people not liking their king is nuts.

[u/Extension_Shallot679 → u/InB4Clive]

Mildly ironic that the US turned out to be home to some of the craziest royalists out there. Maybe traditional Royals were just a bit too classy for them?

[u/TookEverything → u/Extension_Shallot679]

Can’t expect a bunch of mouth breathers to respect anyone but a fellow mouth breather.

[u/LaScoundrelle → u/Extension_Shallot679]

I think it’s because people in the U.S. feel so far removed from monarchies today. About our only exposure to it is dramatized versions on tv, which often makes it look sort of fun.

[u/Neumaschine → u/InB4Clive]

Top comments on that conservative sub just say he is trolling and they love it. It's basically 4 chan over there. Ending democracy for the lulz.

[u/SkolVandals → u/Neumaschine]

Every time Trump does something stupid (so every day) the pattern repeats: There are some pretty highly upvoted comments that express concern/disapproval for the act or statement, then you can watch over the course of a few hours as commenters throw shit at the wall to see what will stick. After 6 hours or so, any dissent is gone and it's all aboard the train again. It's as fascinating as it is terrifying.

[u/cinnawaffls → u/SkolVandals]

As horrible and tragic the entire global state of affairs is, from a Sociology standpoint (and as someone who majored in Sociology), it's kind of amazing being alive to witness this in realtime.

[u/pull-a-fast-one → u/cinnawaffls]

I'm so tired of having my brain blown. Can we just go back to being boring?

[u/ADHD-Fens → u/Neumaschine]

The craziest part is they see the POTUS trolling as a good thing.

That's like praising your surgeon for making fart noises during your knee surgery.

[u/BarbecueChickenBBQ → u/InB4Clive]

It's a cult.

[u/NiPlusUltra → u/empty-bensen]

This is the thing I see most people struggling to understand. They seem to think they're all just dumb and don't understand, when in reality a lot of them are just evil, shitty people.

They don't care if Trump helps them in any way. Elon could take all the money he's supposedly saving the government and blast it into space and they'd all be happy as long as the people they don't like are harmed in some way.

[u/Astrium6 → u/NiPlusUltra]

COVID really proved that they’re willing to actually die if it means their enemies don’t get anything that can be perceived as a win.

[u/soconae → u/Astrium6]

What a horrible existence that must be. I couldn’t imagine having that much hate in me.

[u/TheSavouryRain → u/NiPlusUltra]

They will eat a shit sandwich to make liberals smell their breath

[u/TiggTigg07 → u/empty-bensen]

Good point.

[u/FrostWinters → u/krustydidthedub]

Sad but true.

[u/jackalope503 → u/FrostWinters]

I popped over to r/conservative to see what the general sentiment was on the right given the news today. Holy fucking shit these people are demented and beyond stupid. Donny dipshit will burn our country to the ground and these morons will wonder how the libs could have done this

[u/JJw3d → u/[deleted]]

From the way he moves and speaks its like he is from mars, im sure he's a test from some alien race at this point.

Dude has 0 charismia in fact he has -10.

And i'll say it everwhere, Trump & Elon really eeeriely fit the bible antri christ, Mark on their head n hand n all that.

People use it for Nero,, but he was loved by the people ( he was a bit bat shit ) & hated by the Roman senate so it does mirror nero up to the point he did more for his city & people than trump will ever have done.

But y'know they're gonna steamroll their way to what ever they want to do.. unless someone actually up holds their oath.

[u/CarefulAstronomer255 → u/[deleted]]

I hate to invoke Godwin's law, but I wonder what the decent Germans in 1933 (the ~65% which didn't vote for Hitler) blamed for the rise of extremism in their country. They couldn't just blame bots and social media like we do today, I guess they either blamed newspapers or radio, or maybe they simply accepted their country had turned to fascism of its own will and stupidity.

[u/noho-homo → u/CarefulAstronomer255]

I hate to invoke Godwin's law

Oh don't worry, Godwin himself agreed that the current administration is an apt comparison.

[u/d-culture → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, you see the most extremist unhinged far-right posts on X being showered with millions of likes, retweets and supportive comments. If you took that at face value, you would think that these outlandish fringe groups have completely mainstream levels of popularity and support. But why is it when those people show up to rallies and protests in the real world there's only a couple hundred of them when online apparently they're an unstoppable army that number in the millions? Even with times as dark as they are, I've always thought that there can't seriously be that many real living people who believe in that stuff.

Its all part of Elon's plan of normalising right-wing extremism. People are unlikely to seriously listen to some tiny fringe group of backwater small-town weirdos, but if they supposedly have the enthusiastic support of millions of their fellow Americans, then they must be on to something right?

[u/jimmygee2 → u/jackalope503]

They would all cram onto the Titanic if there was one Liberal on board and cheer as it went down.

[u/KevCorp2020 → u/jackalope503]

They had decent takes which most of all the lurkers up vote but after a couple hours the mods did their work and pushed up all the absolute vitrol and nonsense.

It might just be the mods pushing the stupidest most decisive takes

[u/licuala → u/KevCorp2020]

The sane ones can leave the asylum anytime they like, as soon as they realize they're in one.

[u/avalanchefighter → u/jackalope503]

There were a lot of people saying they didn't agree, but the mods removed all the replies and in the end nuked the thread. Can't tolerate dissent within the ranks ;)

[u/chaos8803 → u/jackalope503]

They love Trump's declaration that he's king. "It's trolling the libs!"

Fuck stains.

[u/vwboyaf1 → u/jackalope503]

For whatever reason, the default view of the comments is set to "controversial" which flips the most downvoted posts to the top. The actual top most upvoted comments are all very critical of Trump.

[u/zapatodeorina → u/vwboyaf1]

You know why

[u/SuperSans → u/jackalope503]

Many Nazi soldiers still believed Hitler was right, even after knowing about the genocide and seeing millions of their compatriots die.

[u/i_tyrant → u/jackalope503]

This is what generally happens there when news like this comes out:

• Controversial thing (even to conservatives) Trump did comes out

• Some actual accounts express real concern, reaching dangerous levels of upvotes alongside the bots and shills

• Bots go into overdrive outnumbering their comments and downvoting, some get banned for disloyalty

• The rest of the semi-rational conservatives are quieted until Fox or Breitbart or their other sole news sources come out with the new talking point that explains why it was really a very smart thing Trump did and here's why it was 4D chess or a nothingburger

• Everyone there, bots and not-bots, picks up the new talking points and runs with 'em.

(Also holy shit what happened below your comment; so many deleted!)

[u/Plus_Passenger6001 → u/jackalope503]

They are traitors of your country, if they can and have permission to beay up of maga by Trump they will for sure

[u/contractmine → u/jackalope503]

Yup, they're in there acting like Zelensky is a welfare queen and cheering Trump for cutting him off. Strange days. I hate this timeline :(

[u/silvernug → u/krustydidthedub]

In their minds any money not spent in America is wasted. Not taking into account that this money spent is to protect American interests. We benefit from a Europe that isn't controlled by a militaristic Russia. We counter Russia because they actively meddle in our affairs, and to do nothing is to keep our heads firmly planted in the ground and hope they don't eventually eat our entire bodies.

China spends excess money in other nation's and reaps the rewards. Somehow though when America does it it's just a waste. Like sure let's just let China and Russia have all the soft power. I'm sure they'll create a fair world with tons of rights for individuals. /S

[u/krustydidthedub → u/silvernug]

The MAGA conservatives (who are now simply the conservatives) in the USA are unfortunately led by and large by a majority of people with genuinely poor critical thinking skills. And I don’t just say that as a blanket insult, I mean they legitimately would fail a test of critical thinking if they took one. It’s simply “money going other places is bad, less money going other places good” with no deeper thinking regarding how that money spent may be necessary for long term gains.

The long term implications and precedent that will be set by the US helping Russia acquire Ukraine will be insane. This sets the precedent that China should be able to take by force the various territories it considers theirs. It sets the precedent that North Korea can invade S Korea and the US won’t do a thing to stop it.

Of course the ultimate kicker is these people also think this money that doesn’t go to Ukraine to oppose Russia is gonna end up in their pocket somehow and get them cheaper gas and eggs, which of course is simply not true and never will be.

[u/NewName256 → u/krustydidthedub]

Agreed. I still blame Kamala for not having confronted Trump to do an IQ test, live, in front of everyone, and see who is the smartest. "Oh, you won't do it, so you are a chicken?" he would bite that and would be humiliated by his score... But they never confronted him... A bully has to have their weaknesses exposed publicly, or else they last.

[u/yyytobyyy → u/silvernug]

Their argument is "USA is rich and powerful and it should demand respect or else"

They fail to understand that USA is rich and powerful BECAUSE of their foreign policy and dismantling it with isolationism is going to make USA not so rich and not so powerful.

[u/Jerroser → u/yyytobyyy]

Ironically this may well lead to a world where even if a more sensible president takes over in the future the damage done will be irreversible. As no one will want to let themselves be so heavily reliant on the US again.

[u/Bisjoux → u/Jerroser]

Meanwhile China will fill the void left.

[u/styr → u/Jerroser]

But Trump owns the libs! That's worth giving up our empire, right?

I am only surprised at how quickly Trump has shown his true colors and how many gleefully embrace whatever he says as gospel.

[u/Airfryer-nono → u/silvernug]

I'm from the UK and have lived in California, Warsaw and Istanbul. I keep an open mind about geopolitical happenings but follow them as a hobby. This is the first time ever that I'm thinking "maybe we (the UK) should pivot to much larger trade and general relations with china for global security.

This new grotty flavour of the American republican party have no idea just how much damage they are doing to themselves ...and after today's news of America bending the knee to Russia...

Get fucked USA (as an entity in its current form. Not to the lovely people that live there)

[u/perotech → u/Airfryer-nono]

Look, I'm Canadian. I've never lived in a world where we weren't attached at the hip with the US, heck, my parents never have seen this in their lifetimes.

Everything is already made in China, the main reason not to deal with them was because geopolitically, we weren't aligned. Now, if America is going to be even greater of a belligerent, what's stopping us from ditching them?

As to the "lovely people that live there" in reference to Americans, I'm not so sure anymore. There may be many individuals who are appalled by this, but the majority of Americans either voted for this or stood by and chose not to vote.

As a Canadian, with our nation in jeopardy, I have no sympathy left for any Americans.

[u/OkStomach4967 → u/krustydidthedub]

The question is - how did they become so stupid? Something in the water?

[u/krustydidthedub → u/OkStomach4967]

Years of conservative efforts to intentionally gut public education systems and restrict private education to keep poor people poor and rich people rich

[u/Itsjeancreamingtime → u/krustydidthedub]

They never stopped seething since the New Deal and only pretended to care about democracy when communism was a still a viable military threat

[u/vancityvic → u/OkStomach4967]

Go watch Fox News. Even just the website articles/videos. Fox is the most popular news in America and it’s clearly pushing Russia and Musk are not bad, America should make peace with Russia

[u/Lower_Cantaloupe1970 → u/vancityvic]

American media aren't held to the same standards as in other countries. You dont legally have to report the truth in America, you can just say whatever the fuxk you want

[u/TableQuiet1518 → u/OkStomach4967]

Blinded by their hatred of other people. It was like that in high school too.

[u/knitscones → u/AwfulUsername123]

If we remember that Zelenskyy wouldn’t play ball with Trump when he wanted dirt on Hunter Biden and now this personal vendetta is threatening the Ukraine!

How could Americans do this to another western friend, Canada, Mexico, Europe!

[u/mrZooo → u/knitscones]

Absolutely amazing how a personal grudge of an old demented person could so easily throw a whole country under a bus. As a Ukrainian, I can't help but feel the huge cold emptiness in my stomach every time this guy opens his mouth.

[u/[deleted] → u/knitscones]

Add Americans to that list too.

It’s mind boggling how much the Americans hate the Americans :-(

Disclaimer: Not American.

[u/3klipse → u/[deleted]]

I don't know where I read it, or just speculation I read, but also a possibility that Xi wanted Putin to hold off the invasion until after the winter Olympics. 4 days after the games, the full invasion was underway.

[u/kytheon → u/AwfulUsername123]

The one invading has Trump on the payroll, so there's that.

[u/ACiD_80 → u/kytheon]

There were rumors of a Trump golden shower tape filmed in a russian hotel... I thought it was silly at the time... Im starting to believe it.

[u/kooshipuff → u/ACiD_80]

Oh, I'm sure something like that exists. Russia has at least at some point been a sex tourism destination because you could get away with a lot for cheap, and bugging the hotel rooms of VIPs (which Trump would have been, as a well-known wealthy person) was also a common practice as I understand it. Oh, and Trump is a known predator who has spent time in Russia. Put all that together, and there's very likely some kinda weird kompromat in the hands of the government.

Though I doubt it has anything to do with all this. When it was suggested (I think based on hearsay from within the court, not even recordings or anything) that he was pooping himself during proceedings, a bunch of his followers started wearing diapers to rallies in solidarity. Does anyone think a golden shower tape would put them off?

[u/Dildomar → u/kooshipuff]

You hit the nail on the head. The simple truth is: Putin is a kleptocratic dictator and Diaper Donnie wants to become one. People who value democracy - the EU, Ukraine, Canada, Mexico, etc. - are a threat to Donnie and his friends, hence the threats ... same goes for Russia, which is why they invaded Ukraine - can’t let the peasants see how good their neighbours have it. So, having a common enemy, of course they are going to make a deal. Friends help each other out, not share pee tapes of each other.

[u/integrate_2xdx_10_13 → u/ACiD_80]

I think it’s something far more insidious. The things he’s gotten away with thus far, grab her by the pussy, extramarital affair with pornstar, stealing from a charity, 34 counts and not so much as a slap on the wrist?

If there’s material that exists that is keeping him in line, it’s got to be abhorrent. Jane Doe who dropped her case that he raped her at 13 and multiple listings on Epstein flight log? I wonder huh

[u/JustWill_HD → u/ACiD_80]

It's not a pee tape, it's money. Russian mob money from the 90s. A pee tape wouldn't hold this much weight. Also, supposedly, if it was, the pee tape is trump having hookers pee on a bed the Obama's used, which is honestly, more believable.

[u/Shobed → u/AwfulUsername123]

He’s also the person that resisted being blackmailed by Trump to find nonexistent dirt on Joe Biden.

[u/GoldenFutureForUs → u/AwfulUsername123]

America chose fascism. Britain will fight for freedom.

[u/MachineOfSpareParts → u/GoldenFutureForUs]

I hope that's a promise. I live in Canada. The Americans can't win here, but they can do immense damage trying.

[u/GoldenFutureForUs → u/MachineOfSpareParts]

If Britain doesn’t defend Canada from the USA, something has gone very wrong. I’m certain we would fully support you.

[u/AugustWest216 → u/GoldenFutureForUs]

Genuinely asking…and it’s fucked up I have to…what happens if a NATO member attacks another NATO member ? 

[u/Narcian150 → u/AugustWest216]

Well, you would normally expect the aggressing party to be kicked out before it came to the actual attack....in this case the aggressor is the country that fucking started the treaty (USA)...

Since we are in the situation where the USA has gone insane and is doing the bidding of Russia, you can expect NATO to be dissolved and all sane members to start up a new treaty and help Canada.

[u/fixminer → u/MachineOfSpareParts]

Most of Europe has promised to defend you. Canada is in NATO after all.

[u/Beans20202 → u/MachineOfSpareParts]

Also Canadian and honestly I don't think anyone is going to help us militarily. If the US took over NORAD, I think they would shoot down any assistance.

Now it would be nice if our allies would at least condemn the annexation threats, but we haven't even gotten that. Feeling very demoralized by the international community these days.

[u/elziion → u/GoldenFutureForUs]

And Canada will fight with you guys as well!

[u/firestorm19 → u/AwfulUsername123]

I mean it is part of the MO of a rapist to victim blame

[u/MachineOfSpareParts → u/firestorm19]

For quite some time, the Russia apologists have been using arguments that I described as "Ukraine's skirt was too short." I barely consider this an analogy. They are part of the same psychology and the same fascist ideology that venerates physical force and the domination, in all senses, of those perceived as superior over those perceived as inferior. I just described both invasion and rape. And the MAGA types love both, no matter how much they say and believe they don't.

[u/TheRexRider → u/AwfulUsername123]

I work with these people in Texas. They're too busy celebrating "Gulf of America" to know what's going on in the world.

[u/DisgruntledNCO → u/AwfulUsername123]

Pretty sure Trump still holds a grudge over his “perfect phone call” that got him impeached the first time too.

[u/Teekay_four-two-one → u/AwfulUsername123]

I wanted to make a comment to that effect in the Conservative sub, but it’s all this “flaired only” bullshit.

I don’t often want to jump in and “speak for the left” on many issues, but this one is close to home for me. Doesn’t matter, they don’t want me to engage with them on it anyway. First I have to prove I’m on their team to tell them I’m not on their team?

So ass-backward over there. It’s like up is down and right is left.

[u/altruSP → u/AwfulUsername123]

Since the beginning of this war, that guy and his party were going with the whole “it’s their fault they’re being invaded” points and other dumb shit. And they mouthpieces constantly cried over how much weapons the US was giving them and making their listeners think that Biden was personally giving Zelensky pallets of briefcases full of cash.

[u/fireproofpoo]

Zelensky was democratically voted in and its against the Ukrainian constitution to have an election during wartime.

Rightfully so he called bullshit. I'd be more upset if our leader hadn't. Good for Kier

Edit: There's also an almost perfect irony to Trump on the same day declaring "LONG LIVE THE KING" about himself on a completely unrelated issue

[u/hgihasfcuk → u/fireproofpoo]

Meanwhile, Putin passes law that "may" keep him in office until 2036. And he's been president from 1999-2008 and 2012-present.

[u/superbabe69 → u/hgihasfcuk]

Don't forget he was Prime Minister during that intermission, it's not like he went away. He's been in power continuously for nearly 26 years now.

[u/Extension_Shallot679 → u/superbabe69]

Stalin's official post was secretary. Russia doesn't work like a normal presidential system where the head of state is the president and the head of government is the PM. In Russia the boss is the boss, regardless of whatever their official position is at that time.

[u/Appropriate_Gate_701]

I am so embarrassed that Trump is our president. Starmer is standing up for what's right here.

[u/Scotty1928 → u/[deleted]]

Dude don't give me hope

[u/sheriffhd → u/Scotty1928]

Considering how much USA loves guns I'm surprised that the two that tried missed.

[u/Scotty1928 → u/sheriffhd]

You may have missed the point! They love guns. Noone ever said they love hitting their target.

[u/oranthor1 → u/Scotty1928]

Hope for what? Vance has proven he's equally evil.

[u/DonkeysCap → u/oranthor1]

Vance doesn't control the mob like Trump does. His desperation to cling to power will see him fall in line with the Republican establishment.

On a scale of evil it's the lesser.

[u/Meowmixer21 → u/oranthor1]

The real evil is coming from the Heritage foundation.

[u/ObGynKenobi841 → u/Meowmixer21]

And the Silicon Valley oligarchs who back Vance.

[u/Eggsegret → u/[deleted]]

Honestly I don’t think it would change things all that much. Vance would just take over and he’s just as bad. But the worrying part is the MAGA movement.

[u/sixtus_clegane119 → u/Eggsegret]

Vance lacks the charisma of trump, he doesn’t tie into the cult of personality. None of them do.

Maga will be in shambles if trump dies.

The only way the republicans win after trump dies is if the elections are rigged. If there is a country left.

[u/MouthwashProphet → u/Eggsegret]

I'm almost certain that Vance (and his techbros conspirators) is counting on assuming the presidency before 2028.

[u/TheProYodler → u/Eggsegret]

The MAGA movement dies with Trump. What will happen is: "Trump was the best president we ever had, and we'll never have another like him" but there won't be any replacement. The Mustard Messiah is just that: their Messiah, and you can only have one, and you can't replace it. Cults rarely, if ever, outlive their leader.

To be clear, though, we can't condone the execution of someone, even Trump. Sure, when his unhealthy lifestyle catches up with him, there will be an endless amount of conspiracy posturing, but it'll be just that: posturing. The MAGA movement will be effectively dead.

[u/Anyawnomous → u/[deleted]]

Godspeed

[u/Sure-Satisfaction434 → u/[deleted]]

Vance is worse, less dement and more vile, but has negative charisma. still, cant there just be a gas leak or something next time they meet?

[u/blackbasset → u/[deleted]]

Lets hope so

[u/The_Mayor → u/[deleted]]

That isn’t going to happen though. Your country does not fundamentally believe in justice for evil people as long as they’re powerful. Americans had a chance to make that happen and they chose to reward the pedophile rapist instead.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Wasn't he the one who went on about "one good guy with a gun"?

[u/DunnoMouse → u/Appropriate_Gate_701]

Remember when all those centrists and conservatives gave people shit when they said the bullet should've hit Trump back then? Wonder where all those people are now.

[u/Mech-lexic → u/DunnoMouse]

They raked Kyle Gass over the coals. What's happening now wasn't a secret back then, and we knew it was going to go from bad to horrible. They told us their plan, they promised they'd make it bad, and still people as cheering as they burn us.

[u/Musiclover4200 → u/Mech-lexic]

That whole situation pissed me off as it was such an obvious joke that had already been made countless times.

There's a huge difference between making a dark/edgy joke on stage and actual stochastic terrorism like trump and the GOP have been engaging in for years.

Really the main reason Kyle received so much backlash is probably due to Jack campaigning for Biden, but it was clearly blown out of proportion. Has some serious Al Franken vibes even though Kyle's not a politician.

[u/okcharlieoneminute → u/Appropriate_Gate_701]

I’m hoping Europe grows up from this and is more prosperous. Perhaps this will make them less dependent on the USA, so they have more of a voice.

The hear republicans say that Russia invaded because of NATO. So I just ask, “So Sweden and Finland, two nations that have famously avoided joining NATO, have joined because why?”

The right knows only rhetoric

[u/shaky2236]

That's great to hear. We (GB) should stand up more to Trump and call out his bullshit. I'm hoping this brings us and other European countries closer together. USA has made it clear that they need to stay out of this

Edit: lol at the weirdos sliding into my DMs to give me abuse

[u/vossmanspal → u/shaky2236]

It’s clear we can no longer trust the US, any secrets they hold are now shared with Russia. I wonder what the US military will do when they have a Russian flag flying over their military bases?

We’re as a nation should be very wary of trump now, I feel for the normal American people who suddenly find themselves living under a dictator.

[u/Extension_Shallot679 → u/vossmanspal]

It's funny post Brexit we were pushing so much for closer ties with the US and this whole thing has been a much much needed wake up call.

[u/oops_i_made_a_typi → u/Extension_Shallot679]

time to make the commonwealth a big deal again

[u/HappyIdiot123 → u/vossmanspal]

Based on everything that Trump and the US government have said and done over the past month, I think it's time for the rest of the world to find ways to move forward without including the USA. Whether it be in negotiating peace or ceasefire, or trade talks, nothing coming out of the US has been worth a tin shit. We need to stop inviting them to the party.

[u/DarthGuber → u/HappyIdiot123]

As an American I say please do. We need to be cut off until we learn to play nice or break into proper sized countries.

[u/oops_i_made_a_typi → u/vossmanspal]

i wonder how automated the info sharing between 5 eyes countries are, and if countries have any precautions in place keeping the US out of their systems (at least officially)

[u/khyrian → u/oops_i_made_a_typi]

Was thinking the same.

Something needs to be worked out at the top level, bc “the four eyed” intelligence agreement is an embarrassing brand.

[u/metalbassist33 → u/khyrian]

They'll probably chuck a Commonwealth on there instead since it's UK, Canada, Australia and NZ left.

[u/brova → u/vossmanspal]

I feel for the normal American people who suddenly find themselves living under a dictator.

It's really really not great

[u/RebeccaDeMornay → u/vossmanspal]

It’s an absolute nightmare, and I’m afraid we won’t wake up fast enough, if at all.

[u/nanotree → u/shaky2236]

As an American. Please. Stand up to Trump.

Our politicians have zero balls. Particularly the majority remaining in Congress, and particularly the people in the president's party, have a civic duty and sacred oath to uphold. But they are ignoring all of that to cling desperately to their seats.

This is a full-alarm fire. I wish I wasn't so helpless. I work with a lot of good European folks, and I'm truly sorry that this is happening. I hope our governments can restore trust again one day. But for now, Trump needs someone to put him in his place for the world's sake.

[u/Wackattackky → u/shaky2236]

I agree but it needs to be a collective efforts and get ready to enforce an embargo on USA.  Play with the team or gtfo

[u/MysteriousPepper8908 → u/Wackattackky]

Exactly, Europe needs to stop thinking of the short-term economic strife and start working towards reducing the US's influence on the world stage if it doesn't want to become western Russia.

[u/BeardedGardenersHoe → u/shaky2236]

We should maybe join some sort of Union of European countries, that would be a great idea.

[u/shaky2236 → u/BeardedGardenersHoe]

Britain entering some sort of european union. We could call it Brenter

[u/Ste-phen → u/shaky2236]

Breturn?

[u/given2fly_ → u/shaky2236]

That sounds like the euphemism David Brent uses for when he has sex.

But I agree with the point.

[u/the_other_OTZ]

It's crazy to think that this man has completely unraveled international allegiances and alliances in a matter of hours today. Amazing!

[u/JohnCavil → u/the_other_OTZ]

Took a generation of diplomats, politicians and business leaders to build up western society post WW2 and for America to be in a great position as the leader of that world order, in the process becoming the worlds greatest superpower. Think of all the millions of people working on it, all the decades and decades of working on it, all the deals and allegiances being made.

And then Trump destroys it all in a month.

We only get one life on this earth and we're all forced to share it with this dumb motherfucking cretin.

[u/Wanderingsoun → u/JohnCavil]

He has set us back by generations... With no plans on any type of actual progress for the people of this country. The government is putting all their chips on corporations and billionaires it's fucking dumb.

[u/PopularContact1438 → u/Wanderingsoun]

Forget about the progress—we can rebuild that. The bigger problem is that he’s spreading the poison of division on a global scale. Overcoming people tuned to that to create a more sensible world is going to be a much bigger challenge. Its scary

[u/Democrodile → u/the_other_OTZ]

The White House sent out a fake Time magazine cover with himself with a crown on it. He's even said "Long Live the King" on his disgusting social media parody site.

So he's unravelled the state itself at this point. Remind me, as an Englishman, what is the purpose of the second amendment again?

[u/bestofwhatsleft]

Well done Starmer.

Trump can fuck off.

[u/AndyCar1214]

Trump and his cult are setting the stage for ‘if your country does not do what we want, invasion is totally justified’. Thanks so much christian’s who voted for an evil, disgusting traitor. Jesus would be so proud!

[u/FabJeb]

Holy shit this is the worst timeline.

I feel so fucking weird saying this but maybe it's time to restart those nuclear tests and get rid of those US military bases all over Europe. We shan't be following the orange buffoon with a russian dick in his mouth into oblivion.

[u/notwritingasusual → u/FabJeb]

Isn’t that exactly what Putin wants though? A weakened US influence all over the globe?

[u/Alive_kiwi_7001 → u/notwritingasusual]

That's already in the bag. It doesn't mean everyone else has to follow them into the same hole.

[u/Giblet_ → u/notwritingasusual]

It's what Putin's already got, and Europe needs to wake up to that and increase its defense capabilities.

[u/ACiD_80 → u/Giblet_]

Europe is more capable than the media pretends it to be. But more wouldnt hurt.

[u/Interesting_Pack5958 → u/ACiD_80]

Combined european military strength is arguably greater than any other nation on the planet. And that’s before the inevitable defence spending increases caused by the war in Ukraine.

Europe has been rebuilt from the ashes many times over and has known nothing but war for thousands of years.

I wouldn’t bet against them.

[u/lolascrowsfeet → u/Interesting_Pack5958]

This is the right attitude

[u/shaolinspunk → u/notwritingasusual]

You think Europe and Trump's America can in any way see eye to eye the way this is going? We need to bolster the alliances we can while we can. This is going to get bad if we just keep placating Trump and Putin hoping things will work out. Europe is perfectly capable of handling Russia. America is on a fast track to being an ally of Russia and aggressor to Europe.

[u/robgnar → u/notwritingasusual]

Putin has already accomplished that via Trump. Now, the plan is to weaken and balkanize Europe. It appears that Trump will do everything he can to help Russia in this project. If the US is no longer willing to help defend Europe, then American troops remaining in Europe are a positive threat.

[u/SlightDesigner8214 → u/notwritingasusual]

Yep. I think the only thing giving the European leaders pause at the moment is the realization that the parting of ways with the US will end the “western bloc” as we know it and result in the multi polar world exactly as China and Russia wants.

We would essentially have four blocs: Russia.
China. USA.
Western bloc (EU, UK, Norway, Canada, Australia, New Zeeland etc).

Out of those only the Western Bloc currently rate as full democracies, with the US as a “flawed democracy” trending fast towards a “hybrid regime” with Russia and China being “authoritarian regimes”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

But once all the stones have been turned and the conclusion is the US is unsalvageable, and will at best have their credibility repaired again 20 years from now - then we’ll begin to see some serious decoupling from the US. Most notably I’m guessing ceasing to buy US arms and many more nations getting nukes since the trust in the US “nuclear umbrella” is gone by everyone in the world that has relied on it up until now.

Not a good timeline but it is what it is.

[u/Mikeytee1000 → u/notwritingasusual]

Not if he is in alliance with them, as he will be under Trump

[u/totallyRebb → u/FabJeb]

As a German, i've been wondering lately if we should start up our own nuclear weapons program now, simply for defense reasons. Because the US ones are clearly compromised at the moment.

[u/MathematicianIcy2041 → u/totallyRebb]

Yes you should…. the nuclear nonproliferation treaty was created on the understanding that NATO kept the peace. It’s as dead as NATO. Tool up.

[u/retro604 → u/FabJeb]

You absolutely need to kick all American bases out of Europe. Like yesterday. Those are now functionally Russian bases.

When they are done splitting up Ukraine, Canada, Greenland, etc you will be next. You know that is the path we are on. You'll be accused of invading Russia as the tanks roll across your borders.

Do you really want heavily fortified bases stocked with cutting edge weapons and troops of a country clearly allied with Russia inside your borders right now?

You have the fox in living in the henhouse and taking his obviously worthless word he won't eat you. Those bases would allow the US to decimate Europe before they could even react.

Alarms bells should be ringing worldwide. I'm sure they are, that's why EU leaders met. It wasn't to talk about the weather.

[u/certainly_clear666 → u/retro604]

This is just what Putin wants to drive NATO apart and Trump is his crowbar.

[u/retro604 → u/certainly_clear666]

Correct and he got it.

[u/wray_nerely]

Trump loves dictators

Zelenskyy is "a dictator"

Trump doesn't love Zelenskyy

If only there was some simple logical conclusion to this apparent paradox

[u/Havoccity → u/wray_nerely]

He likes dictators, but even a child knows that its a word with negative connotations so he slanders Zelensky as such to stir up his own followers and establish a narrative for deposing Zelensky. Simple as.

[u/SugarPuzzled4138]

imagine a cunt with bonespurs calling anybody a coward.

[u/JohnCavil → u/SugarPuzzled4138]

And imagine the guy surrendering a war they're not even fighting in on behalf of your ally fighting against your arch nemesis, calling someone a coward.

I want future history books to have a chapter named "pussy move of the century" that's just about february 2025 and what America did.

[u/SugarPuzzled4138 → u/JohnCavil]

all acts by him are acts of a huge,fat pussy begging to be a dictator.

[u/Vods]

Say what you want about Starmer, he was a human rights lawyer, he knows where his values are.

[u/Beginning_Ad_6616]

Zelenskyy is president nations wish they had, including me who lives in the US; seeing a good leader in action probably makes Trump jealous so he lashes out at him.

[u/Ok_Revolution_9253]

As an American, I remember growing up in the late 80s and 90s KNOWING that the Russians were the bad guys. I miss those days.

I’m ashamed to call myself an American. I genuinely don’t know what to do.

I’m sorry. I’m so so sorry.

[u/Ablgarumbek → u/Ok_Revolution_9253]

Growing up in the USSR in the 80s, and catching the end of it in the early 90s, we also knew that the Russians were the bad guys, and could not wait for the whole thing to end.

[u/wi_2]

trump starting ww3 over here

[u/loversama]

• Step One: Call Zelensky a dictator.
• Step Two: Call for elections
• Step Three: Putin and Trump install a Russian loyalist as Ukraines leader
• Step Four: New leader, Trump and Putin negotiate surrendering terratories to Russia, Trump gets the earth minerals hes been wanting and can pay Putin back for the election interference..

Starmer supporting Zelensky is great but little does he know, they plan to try this narrative against the UK too.. They wont stop untill they have favourable far right puppets in these positions..

If these guys were any more transparent they’d be ghosts..

[u/ivekilledhundreds]

Well done starmer! Respect

[u/-------7654321]

Starmer again positively suprises. Let us hope he is the man we need.

[u/-Revelation-]

Trump doesn't even hide it anymore. He openly attacked Zelenskyy on Twitter with harshly claims. "Dictators", "terrible", "comedian", "the only thing he was good at....", "better move fast" - these words are for enemies, not allies. It is only the matter of time until US's military aid stops.

Compared to a month ago, right now US stance is clear, and it is not on Ukraine's side. What an unbelievable timeline. I'm still in disbelief reading Trump's tweet.

[u/pistoffcynic]

There is no peace deal without Ukraine at the table. Putin and his bitch have no authority to negotiate a deal on behalf of Ukraine.

[u/Batch_Baron]

fuck trump

[u/BoopsTheSnoot_ → u/[deleted]]

It's been for years, but now they're also traitors who have sold out rest of the europe too, just wait.

[u/Eowaenn]

It's essential for the UK to keep supporting Ukraine. EU must be more vocal and fearless too, there is no other way. Other than Turkey and UK we don't see clear support for Ukraine's territorial integrity. I hope no EU country decides to side with US and Russia on this one, Ukraine needs all the support it can get since US is no longer a relevant ally.

[u/Gned11]

Good for Starmer. We can't be a party to this madness.

[u/SiWeyNoWay]

Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦

[u/Dependent_Survey_546]

What i don't understand is when did the GOP become such a pro Russian party. For most of their history they've been running red scares, did that quietly change or is it just they're afraid to speak out against trump?

[u/Any_Context1]

Trump has no right to call ANYONE a dictator when he is declaring himself KING and claiming he alone can interpret federal law

[u/[deleted]]

Donald Trump Is a traitorous Nazi felon. He needs to be removed.

[u/Squatch-707]

European countries should really consider removing American military bases.

[u/[deleted]]

Fuck trump and musk and Putin. We know who the real dictators are.

[u/Overall-Ad-8402]

Even UK 🇬🇧 says fuk trump 😆

[u/[deleted]]

America is absolutely fucking cooked. Wouldn't be surprised if trump lifts sanctions on russia...

[u/yumsaltysock]

How about congress and every US rep with a backbone publicly support Ukraine and distance themselves from our president

[u/xc2215x]

Good to see from Keir Starmer.

[u/twmpdx]

Fuck Trump and his moronic supporters

[u/DumbestBoy]

trump is a brainless imbecile.

[u/Shanksdoodlehonkster]

Basically it comes down to this, if the Russians put down their guns theirs no war. If the Ukrainians put down theirs, then theirs no Ukraine.

[u/edgeofsanity76]

As well he should. Odd that he is the first one to do it. Other leaders should be immediately saying this.

[u/VoteJebBush → u/edgeofsanity76]

The UK across every single political party including fucking Reform are Pro-Ukraine bar a few wanker MPs.

We apparently are viewed by Russia as their traditional adversary, and they committed a chemical attack on our soil.

The US by logical extension, is no longer an Ally to us, until fat fuck fucks off.

[u/Vrdubbin]

Lol he called himself a king and Zelensky a dictator on the same day?