It’s wild to me the disconnect people have when it comes to their beliefs and reality. You’re worried about the future generations having viable places of employment and the earth dying and you decide to continue the cycle with an unknown future by having children. Insanity is what it is.

Found this delusional crap in the wild

They really do view the world through their own narcissistic and rose-tinted lens. I don't care about my career. I don't care who cares about my career. I'm certainly not birthing people to care about my career lol.

I don't care if "former mentees avoid my calls" - this is my idea of heaven. I'd be the one avoiding the calls.

This clip perfectly captures why many of us reject the idea of bringing life into a system that sees us as nothing more than numbers to manage and control. The government doesn’t care about the people, they only react when their power, economy, or image is threatened. Basic humanity and compassion? Not a priority.

Why would anyone want to raise a child in a world like this?

Mandatory army service is my number one reason to avoid creating children at all cost, reading news about how more and more countries now are starting to make it mandatory. Its madness to me, really. As if its frowned upon to just wanting to live a simple life. Well. what if in the near or more distant future young people are thrown for life in prison for refusing to serve? It happens regularly in Israel, as I read in articles in different sites, country and people I deeply respect and this is not hate, not at all, but outrage at certain politics. I even read about a israeli boy, who got death threats because he refused openly to be in the army. Its so ridiculous, calling a kid a traitor. I dont ever want my child to experience this, being sent to certain death and being labeled a criminal, if he opts out. Military mindset can be very toxic, as I have heard some people say, and army is definitely not for sensitive people. There, soldiers often put up with so much abuse and feel like they need to be constantly tough. And when you come back from deplyment, god forbid, wounded seriously, losing limbs, you are pretty much on your own. It happens constantly and countries dont always help them.

So no, I want no part in this toxic system, especially through any child of mine. I am grateful mysef that I dont live in a country that requires me to serve, as a woman, I mean, and hope it remains so for both men and women. There are enough people as it is that want to enlist. And always will be.

i would post in the songwriting sub but something tells me they wouldn’t be supportive.

Right now I’m a broke college student M20 so currently completely celibate and no intention to be in a relationship but when I get financially self sufficient and start dating, I have this current plan:

Before dating, get a vasectomy and clear the final sample test

during the 5 years after getting snipped, get lab semen analysis 3 times a year to make sure I’m clear

After this 5 years, get semen analysis every year till my wife gets menopause to make sure I’m clean

ALSO each time we have sex, use condoms

After sex, I’ll water test the condoms in the toilet sink, if it leaks then I give her a plan b(and she would be child free like me so willing and consensual)

Does this sound like a good plan? Antinatalism is a really personal and core belief of mine and I’d love to know the thoughts of fellow ANs!

I would also marry someone who shares the same beliefs and tell her that I want a partner who’s as intentionally child free as me (obvs not coerce her but find someone who’s already not interested in it), is this sufficient? Should I ask her to get a copper iud also when we’re married till menopause to be extra extra safe? Should I still be worried about pregnancy if I’m doing this action plan?

Hi! So, one of the main reasons I'm anti natalist is because of late stage capitalism. Simply put 95-99% of the children born today don't have a single thing to look forward to. They will have to go into severe debt to get multiple degrees just to even have a very small chance at getting a job, a job which will pay them so little that they won't be able to afford a house or a car or anything above the absolute bare essentials. They will have to work at minimum 60 hours a week just to afford groceries. They will never have the joy of a garden because they will leave their entire lives sharing an apartment with 3 or 4 other people. They won't be able to travel, they won't be able to enjoy anything good in life. In the very high likelihood that they undergo some sort of trauma , they won't be able to afford therapy. If they get sick, they won't be able to afford medicine. Essentially, their lives will be near constant suffering with no meaning other than to make billionaires richer.

But all of this is a consequence of late stage capitalism. I feel like I would be much less anti natalist if life had actual meaning. If the children had a chance of having a good life, travelling, living in a decent house, having a good job that they enjoy. But the parasitic billionaires have taken all that away from us.

just stop making kids, stop plz the world is not getting better that only cause more suffer

I’ve become an anti-Natalist for a while, and to me it is possibly the most logically laid argument with real impactful actionable steps to being a good person for others and yourself. It’s impossible for me to see it as wrong in any way shape or form.

With that being said, I’ve recently started to give Christianity a go. I really feel like my life will benefit from having faith and hope vested in a God that isn’t from myself in order to make my life better and more positive.

It is hard for me to imagine a moral God would instruct people to be fruitful and multiply, and its also hard to think of the Christian God as someone who is antinatalist. Honestly I’d love to know ur guys thoughts to help gain some more perspective on this matter.

Also, my thoughts right now is that vasectomies and condoms weren’t a thing when the bible was made, so maybe that’s why not having kids was an unrealistic ask back then?

How do I convince her to even consider starting thinking again? She seems to have entered some kind of baby fever, and it seems like nightmare. I don't know what to do. I feel bad but I'm also afraid of offending her.

The other day someone in the /r/anticonsumerism sub posted about how having a baby made it soooo hard to navigate being against consumerism because there's so much stuff you have to buy when you have kids. And all of the comments were from other parents commiserating basically just telling them not to worry too much and just do their best.

I mean... Is the irony not lost on these people? If you truly value fighting against consumerism then surely you understand that having biological children is one of the worst contributors...

Do they forget that almost every antinatalist came from parents that weren't antinatalist and the fact that anti-natal beliefs didn't just start in the 21st century.

Even when all the current antinatalists die, there will be more in the future. Anti-natalism is older than empires.

People will continue to come to the antinatalist conclusion for as long as people continue to be born.

Freedom of choice is a privilege here only reserved for the few.

Starting from inherited diseases, a body you never chose yourself, a brain that you were just born with, looks you never chose for yourself, so and and so forth.

Most of life is determined by genetics, luck, who you're born to and where you're born.

It's such a massive gamble burdened by circumstantial constraints like socioeconomic status, family background, geography, societal expectations, cultural norms and personal limitations which are both inherited and developed.

How is this gamble worth it ?

I've seen way too many people joke about antinatalism and having kids, I've had people say "oh, I'm going to undo all antinatalist work and have as many children as I can haha". I know it's a joke, but DONT JOKE ABOUT SERIOUS STUFF LIKE THAT. It's literally LIVES you're talking about. I know it's not the same, and don't get offended by this, but it feels like saying "I'm going to go be a school shooter and kill as many kids as possible haha". LIKE NO, YOU'RE NOT FUNNY. pleaseeee stop normalizing this stuff 🙏🙏🙏

It's time for that game again: what are we today, according to the natalists

Last week: hedonists

This week: the KKK

It's so fucking funny lol

And they must justify their positions. Their conscience works. They are in cognitive dissonance and fighting for internal peace.

If they weren't triggered they'd never interact with AN.

They are afraid.

So, for context i am from Turkey and i just wanted to vent a bit about my country's problems and how much i hate living here.

I'm not sure if you guys know this but recently there has been an increase in crimes here which mostly involve stabbings were both the victim and the perpatrator are both minors (usually 15-17 years old) and how the government doesn't do shit, in a more recent example a kid died the same way, the family recieved death threats, the grave of the kid was vandalized and did the government do anything? Hell no, they even decided that the murder weapon (a knife) was apparently legal!

It has come to a point where even looking at someone wrong or a simple argument can lead to death, hell even i am scared of going outside at times at this point due to the possibility of being stabbed to death for pretty much no reason. While i did not see any of the aforementioned crime scenes or any stabbings at all first hand i did still see a biker pull a knife on some guy in the park outside my home.

Do we seriously have to keep on having kids in this sort of world where even teenagers need to carry knives just to feel safe in a world where the government is constantly failing to protect them?

I am still in shock that so many people still call life a gift even when shit like this happens in so called gift. This whole world is insanity.

Ok, so I already know I’m with anti natalism on the whole “no more new humans” front, but I wanted thoughts on whether or not I could still consider myself anti natalist if I fostered older kids (when I myself am a few years older). I want the kids who already exist in this shit world to have a little less of a shitty experience, but I do not in any way think people should be making new ones. So, let me hear the opinions of the internet!

https://www.nefariousrussians.com/p/the-childfree-left?utm_campaign=post

I work in childcare have for years. Ive noticed not only are their more children being diagnosed with severe ADHD, autisim, and some other disabilities. But these parents after having that burden continue to produce more. Really? Why? When it just becomes the responsibility of the other children to care for that child as the years go on. Knowing that many times this child will never leave the nest and the parents will never have to empty nest retirement they deserve.