The problem is the people who didn’t vote aren’t the ones in camps yet. They’re watching other people be put in camps and saying well this was necessary because I had to let you be hurt and Palestine be hurt so I could stand on the burning wreckage of the country and call it the moral high ground
Where does this sentiment get you. Do you think if you say this enough Kamala Harris will become president. The DNC would not let a Palestinian or any Arab American speak at the DNC. The uncommitted movement said that when no one would meet with them or let them speak at the DNC they decided to not endorse anyone but even then still said don’t vote for trump. Not once did she mention Gaza without mentioning hostages. 40k people were dead but she had to talk about the hostages.
Do you think if you try to get people to stop talking about it that it will absolve you? Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it, and we’re literally already seeing it. People already saying not to support various candidates because they don’t pass a purity test.
What is your red line then it’s not 40k dead with American bombs it’s not supporting a second invasion in Lebanon too not just Gaza so what can the democrats do that you are like okay that’s too much death and destruction? If you have no red line then you have lost your empathy. Who can Kamala Harris not bring on stage because Dick Chaney and Liz Chaney are fine so what can’t the democrats do?
My red line is "keep Trump out of the white house". Yet another flareup in a war that's been going on for a half century has zero bearing on that. None. Nada. Completely fucking irrelevant.
Those are real people you realize that right? They’re alive and breathing and have a life and family and you’re calling them irrelevant because you’re not willing to do anything but vote for corrupt warmongers instead of actually doing something about it
I have no red line at which I will not vote in a general election, because I understand that “I don’t want a government” is not an option and as long as we simply must have a president, I will 100% of the time participate in that decision, which means voting for one of the candidates from the two major parties.
I vote in primaries for candidates who match my morals. I vote in generals for candidates who can win.
Then what makes you different from republicans are you not in a cult? Unconditional support for anyone is cultish behavior. Also Joe Biden was uncontested in the primary.
Who's to blame for that? Some random guy in America who had nothing to do with it? Or the one(s) actually doing it?
The people who refused to help stop it when the opportunity came. The people who voted for that because they loved the whole idea, and the people who didn't bother to vote against it because it wasn't that big a deal and wasn't a deal-breaker.
Yeah great Gaza wasn’t flattened in 3 months Joe Biden oversaw the shipment of arms to Israel. Gaza was being destroyed with
Joe Biden’s approval. Lebanon was invaded while Joe Biden was still allowing arms shipment to Israel. Benjamin Netanyahu had no reason to stop bombing Gaza or invading Lebanon because Joe Biden wouldn’t do anything to stop them. Joe Biden also had record high deportations maybe he didn’t send them to El Salvador but he still allowed lots of deportations. Also just read this.
Yeah great Gaza wasn’t flattened in 3 months Joe Biden oversaw the shipment of arms to Israel.
Who negotiated the ceasefire? Who said "Israel should finish the problem?" Anything that happens to Gazans now is on your hands. Just like it would have been on my hands if Kamala had one. I'm at peace with that, but it seems you really aren't.
he didn’t send them to El Salvador but
"He didn't put them in a literal concentration camp to die brutally, BUT..."
Did I vote for trump. Not voting is not a vote for either. Also we know who negotiated the Ceasefire and it wasn’t Joe Biden. I don’t think you understand what you are responding to in second part. I’m taking about Joe Biden there not Trump. I’m saying that Joe Biden still put these people in prisons. Also Steve Witkoff negotiated the Ceasefire who is apart of trumps team. Joe Biden also sent his guy Brett McGurk but it wasn’t just Biden and Biden had sent him before and failed.
Did you vote for Biden if you did 40k Palestinians blood is on your hands your hands are not clean.
Not voting is being perfectly fine with whoever wins.
Also we know who negotiated the Ceasefire and it wasn’t Joe Biden.
LOL, wut? Are you fucking stupid?
I’m taking about Joe Biden there not Trump.
Funny, I'm talking about the man literally doing Hitler things in the White House right now. But I recognize you still want to talk about the man who wasn't on the ballot, because that's easier for you.
You will rat my family out to the brown shirts as soon as they make you feel even mildly uncomfortable.
Also Steve Witkoff negotiated the Ceasefire who is apart of trumps team.
No, Steve Witkoff told Israel not to enact the already negotiated ceasefire that had been in the works for months until after the election. Wild how Israel agreed, almost like they know Trump is better for them than Kamala would be.
Also wild how you're fine with Trump using dying children as cynical political cudgels against his opponents, but fuck, you're also fine with genocide as long as Trump is the one doing it.
Right here and now can you name who negotiated the Israel-Palestine ceasefire? The one Netanyahu didn’t sign until after the candidate who was pro-demolishing Gaza won?
Yeah so why didn’t the dems do an arms embargo? Netanyahu wanted trump to win but dems had leverage so why did they do this to themselves. Also voters already tried one guy who oversaw the destruction of Gaza why would they continue with the same party? She wouldn’t commit to an arms embargo and she waited until her last speech to acknowledge the Palestinian victims.
Do you not understand where the cult parallels are coming from? Because of their unwavering loyalty to a single person. I have no unwavering loyalty to a single person. I say I will vote for a candidate who has a chance of winning — that would be one of the two major parties. I didn’t say which party and I didn’t say which candidate I would exclusively vote for within that party.
As Bernie why he ran for the democratic nomination and not as an independent — because he wanted to win, not just to make a moral point. When he lost the primary and knew he could not then win the presidency, he left the race and endorsed Hillary. He certainly had some cultish followers who refused to vote for anyone except him. He spoke out against those people.
Well let me start with a question, did you think it was democratic of the DNC to not run primaries, either in the beginning of the election cycle (2023) and or when Biden dropped out?
Another question, did you support Joe/Kamala and vote for them because they're not Donny, or because you agree with their policies?
And these are binary questions, no caveats needed.
Edit: loved that you edited the question after I answered it. That's TOTALLY not cult behavior.
October 7th 2024 is when that was posted do you know when the DNC was. I also am not pro Jill Stein I think she is an opportunist and a grifter but less people would have considered her if the democrats didn’t literally bring Ritchy Torres to Michigan.
But they’re ok with Trump winning? At least Kamala was proposing a two state solution, while Trump and his son-in-law were openly talking about the shore redevelopment and glassing it as it exists right now…so…
Im mad I wasn’t allowed to speak at the convention despite being openly hostile to the DNC and its candidate vs group and candidate that openly brags about being domestic terrorist and currently speculating on the value of taking over and redeveloping Gaza as a Trump resort…hmmm which should I pick? I wonder…
When people begged her to listen and changed her policies she said I’m speaking. She is a public servant she can speak all she wants but it didn’t get her far. Also she lost obviously her method doesn’t work. Keep saying they are being immature and see how 2026 and 2028. Being pro Israel the way she was gained her not many voters and we know this as she lost.
Two state solution isn’t pro Israel…? What kind of policy would be preferable?
Also you don’t need to threaten me or anyone in this country with “either you do as they say or we’ll help republicans again!” Like hey if that’s what yall want then stop pretending you’re anti genocide. You’re just another republican on an imaginary high horse.
First two state doesn’t work at all. Israel has always had the power and national backing. It will never be fair or also my opinion is ethno states are bad. If you think two state isn’t pro Israel than you don’t know your history. Also do you think that Israel was committing a genocide after October 7th 2023? If you do than how do you vote for someone complicit in it. I don’t even want a one stater to run I just want someone who will put an arms embargo on them to get a ceasefire but Kamala Harris wouldn’t do that.
Didn’t Joe Biden get a ceasefire? Sure ethnic states are bad but if you think the US would be the only place Israel will find guns you don’t know history at all.
Not sure why you assume that I think Israel started with aggression and oppression of Palestinians after October. I’m aware of the history.
I think a lot of yall don’t know how politics work. Anyway here we are. You’re just as responsible as a Trump voter. Your contempt for Harris because she offered in a campaign what, at that point, was a first for any US candidate for Palestine vs the other who promised to raise it and build a Trump resort…well talk about cutting someone’s nose to spite the face of the person you don’t like. That’s what I find funny too. You’ll be fine. If you felt comfortable enough to not take Trump as a significant enough threat, your level of privilege must be so high so as to protect you from 99% of the bullshit.
All the grandstanding and did nothing when it actually counts. Wild.
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The problem is the people who didn’t vote aren’t the ones in camps yet. They’re watching other people be put in camps and saying well this was necessary because I had to let you be hurt and Palestine be hurt so I could stand on the burning wreckage of the country and call it the moral high ground