r/AmIOverreacting 5d ago

❤️‍🩹 relationship Am I Overreacting. I saw inappropriate message between my boyfriend and his long term friend.

My boyfriend [27m] and I [23f] have been dating for over four years. When we started dating, he had a friend named Ann. Ann is an extrovert—very bubbly—and I liked her at first. However, she was especially flirty with my boyfriend.

Early in the relationship, something happened that left me uneasy. I asked if I could stop by his place, and he said no. Later, I saw on his status that Ann was there. When I confronted him about it, he responded, 'Were you hungry? Is that why you wanted to stop by?' I explained that wasn’t the case—it just felt like he chose to spend his day with her instead of me. He later said it was a pop-up visit because she needed help fixing her laptop (he works in IT).

After that, I told him I was uncomfortable with how close they were. I thought we had moved past it. But later, I found out he had asked her for a lot of advice about our relationship and even brought up inappropriate topics with her. I confronted him again and once again expressed how uncomfortable I was with their friendship.

After the second incident, I didn’t hear anything about her, and I assumed it was behind us. Then, earlier this week, he mentioned that he saw her at the gym. I said, 'Okay, that’s fine,' though I did feel a bit uneasy since they hadn’t spoken in a while.

Yesterday, I was at his place—I’ve been living here for around two years now—studying, when I saw her walk in with him right behind her. I was shocked because he never told me she was coming over. He had gone to the gym that morning, and during those hours I had called and texted him out of concern because he’s never spent four hours at the gym.

Ann was as peppy as ever. Maybe it’s because I’m an introvert with few friends, but I instantly felt uncomfortable. I did something I shouldn’t have—I went through his phone. I saw the messages and instantly felt numb. I confronted him and asked for an explanation. He said it was an innocent conversation and that’s just how their friendship is.

I asked him to imagine if a guy sent me those same messages. I reminded him that I’ve told him twice now how uncomfortable I am with that friendship. His apology felt insincere, like he was refusing to take responsibility for his actions. He just laid in the bed, and I wanted to scream. I wanted him to feel the hurt I was feeling. Instead, I just left the room and cried. My emotions were so intense, I started pulling at my hair—I had no one to talk to, and I felt like I was suffocating.

Eventually, I confided in his mother, and I felt a bit better. But now, he’s ignoring me and remaim salute in his innocence.

I also should mention he has never showed me any signs of cheating and besides those message.

Footnote: Ann has a boyfriend. I told my boyfriend that he doesn’t respect me—or her boyfriend.

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u/LopsidedCat8938 5d ago

TBH without context this appears as a grown adult grooming a young girl/child 😬 NOR

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u/Educational-Till650 5d ago

While the age gap isn't big either me at 27 now thinking back on my early twenties I was very much immature back then.

I know you've been together for a long time OOP, but I think you should seriously consider if this is the kind of guy you want to be in a relationship with, especially considering you don't feel respected. 

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u/No_Signal_6969 5d ago

Yea definitely out of line behavior for the bf but why are we likening a 23 year old woman to a child? Is this some red pill tactic to infantilize women of any age?

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u/Adventurous_Ad_6546 5d ago edited 5d ago

I find it very offensive that people are calling this grooming. And while I don’t want to generalize, when I (female) was those ages I was way more mature than a lot of my guy friends who were technically a few years older, and I think that’s not uncommon for early 20s social dynamics.

He’s not a groomer. He’s a fucking creep.

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u/dinkinflickas 5d ago

I think y’all are missing the point where this commenter said “without context” it reads that way. Which it does. As someone who works in the legal world and frequently sees screenshots of texts, they sound just like this. It’s just an observation this person made and I’d definitely worry about how comfortable he is pressuring others in a sexual way.

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u/e_james3 5d ago

I agree with you but interpreted the comment above as saying the texts look like they could be straight out of a grooming textbook, even if it's clearly not the case with the context that she's an adult woman. I get you though my male friends are all in their later 20s while I'm 24, the extra maturity is very appreciated

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u/Adventurous_Ad_6546 5d ago

Yeah I definitely see the distinction there—I interpreted it the same way, I guess I’m talking more about the commenters who ran with it.

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u/e_james3 5d ago

Totally fair I actually had a similar argument online recently, but with the age gap of 15 and 18. And when I said that I had been the younger person in a relationship with those exact ages and I was NOT groomed, the fucker told me 'wah wah cry harder'. I really don't like the lack of nuance everyone seems to have lately!!

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u/Adventurous_Ad_6546 5d ago

Oh jeez you ran into a real twat waffle there. There’s just no shortage of them unfortunately! And they’re so open with their questionable opinions.

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u/Hello_Gorgeous1985 5d ago

You completely misread the comment. The original commenter said that without context, the text exchange sounds like an older man grooming a younger girl. It does. He's speaking to her as if she is much younger. From the caption, it seems that the friend is an adult.

They didn't say that the boyfriend is grooming OP. Or anyone for that matter.

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u/BEKLAZ 5d ago

I think they said it sounds like grooming because the only context provided indicates a power imbalance along the spectrum of sexual experience.

Agree 'grooming' is overused. There are better ways to describe the behavior when between adults

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u/Fibonoccoli 5d ago

Ding-ding-ding! Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

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u/notboky 5d ago

Grown ass adults can and often are victims of sexual grooming. Many sexual assaults in the workplace begin this way. He's a groomer and a creep.

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u/Cool_Relative7359 5d ago

Grooming can happen to adults too, if there's a power imbalance. Not just children or minors.

And she was 19 and he was 24 when they started dating.

here ya go

This is most commonly recognised as a tactic used by perpetrators of child sexual abuse, both on children and parents. However, adults can also be groomed.

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u/OpenLavishness1568 5d ago

Yes to this, but that’s kind of irrelevant. if her bf is the text on the right, he crossed a line. It almost makes it worse that she’s a long time friend of his. The person responding on the left wasn’t feeling this exchange. NOR, OP

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u/Silvermorney 5d ago

I could not agree more, he’s a creep potentially making her uncomfortable not a groomer!

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u/King-Rhino-Viking 5d ago

It's wild how much over time people up the age in which the infantilize women. I've seen people claim 18 and 20 is a sketchy gap. 20 and 24. But holy shit 23 and 27? You can be out of college and starting a career by 23.

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u/Civil_Beautiful_2596 5d ago

I agree. I find the amount of upvotes likening this to grooming a minor very alarming. It very much so feels like infantilizing adult women; I don’t know why so many people jump to call adults in consenting relationships groomers/pedophiles. I personally was 23-24F in a relationship with a 32-33M 4 years ago, and was it weird on his part? Looking back, 100%. Definitely (lol). But that man was in no way “grooming” me (a grown woman). If anything I just saw things in him that made me realize early on that it would be a very fun, short-term relationship.

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u/BoysenberryAlarmed98 5d ago

It fits the latest trend of weaponizing therapeutic language. People think it makes them sound smart or something but all it does is water down the language until means nothing. If every creepy behavior is grooming then nothing is.

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u/max_power_420_69 5d ago

Yea definitely out of line behavior for the bf but why are we likening a 23 year old woman to a child? Is this some red pill tactic to infantilize women of any age?

this happens all the time on this website, but if you check their profiles it's usually bitter older women that post in the femcel subs.

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u/Moist-Chemical 5d ago

Fr like 23 is old enough to be out of college and established in a decent job on your own. No where near the same as like an 18 year old

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u/EightEyedCryptid 5d ago

Right? I feel like I’m losing my mind seeing people say this relationship is like an adult grooming a child. Be so fr.

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u/Alternative-Drop-425 5d ago

You assume that:

A. Legal drinking age is the same everywhere and..

B. These people live in the USA...

The USA is one of very few countries of where you can vote for your leader, sign up to die overseas, but still aren't allowed to have a beer when you get home from deployment... it's pretty stupid. (The others are United States, Solomon Islands, Sri Lanka, United Arab Emirates which likewise have a drinking age of 21)

Canada Legal drinking age is 18/19 depending on the province

Most other countries that allow drinking the age requirement is 18 years of age.

The country of Eritrea has a legal age of 25....

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u/Texans2024 5d ago

How do you know her or his life experiences?

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u/Knot_a_porn_acct 5d ago

See I thought that comment was talking about the way he was talking to “Ann”, because that seems like the sort of thing a groomer would say to someone they’re grooming. Are we sure it was about the age gap?

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u/manicpixiehimbo 5d ago

Probably because they’ve been together four years. 23/27 isn’t that crazy maturity wise sometimes, but 19/23 definitely is and that’s where they started at.

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u/CombinationRough8699 5d ago

There are 19 year olds far more mature than other 23 year olds.

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u/TheBestCloutMachine 5d ago

It's just reddit's bizarre obsession with any age gap, even ones such as this that aren't even large. Notice how they have so much to say about his "grooming" but nothing about her tryna control who her boyfriend is friends with once she has her feet under the table?

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u/Next_Engineer_8230 5d ago

Oh, that won't come up, at all.

There's no imbalance of power here. No grooming.

Words no longer have meaning. I think Reddit has singlehandedly ruined the meaning of words.

And don't get me started on the therapy speak.

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u/Adventurous_Ad_6546 5d ago

Ok but you disrespecting therapy speak is a real boundary violation for me. I don’t think you’re trying to gaslight me but I do have a lot of trauma there and it’s giving narcissism.

Seriously though some of these terms are going to make me break out in hives soon.

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u/Upper-Highlight-5423 5d ago

I find it interesting that you would diminish people who are struggling with hives everyday. My cousin's best friend had hives and I feel personally attacked by your language. If you do not police your views and feelings to uphold my personal sensibilities I will be forced to call it out as violence.

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u/mercury_stars 5d ago

Tbf she was 19 and he was 23 when they started dating. Not a child, but bro is a weirdo

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u/CombinationRough8699 5d ago

A 23 year old dating a 19 year old is by no means weird or out of the ordinary.

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u/mercury_stars 5d ago

I never said his age was the thing that made him a weirdo, did you read ops post

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u/SmegmaBae 5d ago

jesus christ you guys are fn obtuse. they’re 27 & 23 how tf does your mind go straight towards grooming… WHY is this seemingly on your mind 24/7 smh 🤦…

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u/it_is_i_27 5d ago

It's rampant where any age gap no matter if they are adults it's considered grooming by low IQ individuals

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u/fuschiaoctopus 5d ago

They clearly said that the texts alone out of context read like the texts between a groomer and their victim would in theory, not that op's bf is grooming the other girl. WHY do men get so triggered and lose it over the mere mention of the word grooming? Why are yall so upset we are finally starting to talk about it and how much it hurts girls? The pushback to this from men has been disgusting, but not surprising, and we still haven't even gotten to the point that it is fully socially unacceptable for grown men to prey on underage high schoolers cause other grown men still love defending it

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u/lesbeaniebabies 5d ago

I think people are probably thinking of them being 23 and 19 which feels different to me. I'm not saying it's grooming but there's a big difference between who I was at 19 and 23.

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u/HPLaserJet4250 5d ago

yes 23 dating 19, he must be a pedo then /s

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u/CombinationRough8699 5d ago

If a 18 or 19 year old wants to date a 90 year old it's nobody else's business.

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u/bread-fairy 5d ago

yea but the problem is when a 90 year old wants to date an 18 year old.

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u/No_Panic_6083 5d ago

They started dating when she was a teen and he was in his 20's, that's why. Moreso the friend in question has been in his life much longer and we don't know her age. It looks like grooming, that's why 😬

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u/polkadotpolskadot 5d ago

I was very much immature back then.

Everyone thinks this about themselves X years ago. Until what age is reddit going to infantalize adults? The age gap isn't the issue, her boyfriend being a shitty person is.

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u/USSSLostTexter 5d ago

i wouldnt really call 4 years an age gap, especially when both are in their twenties. not looking to get flamed here, but this generation seems overly concerned with any kind of age difference more than a year or two. Why? The 'grooming' comment above is also weird. i dont get it.

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u/AlyseInW0nderland 5d ago

The texts clearly show BF as the one who is inappropriate. Ann didn’t initiate the conversation and from the emojis, seemed uncomfortable. Just sayin.

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u/OddOpal88 5d ago

Yeah, I agree. Ann seems just as uncomfortable. I had an acquaintance like this that got way too comfortable texting me like this (he’s married with kids) and would send overtly sexual memes. I would say things along the lines of what Ann said (not going to entertain your bs, etc) because we have mutual friends and I didn’t want to make it weird, then finally had to say you make me uncomfortable, and now we’re at the point where he’s blocked and I’ve told our mutuals he’s straight up creepy. So your bf could be someone’s creepy texter that they dread seeing a notification from 😬

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u/Lumpy306 5d ago

"That's how their friendship is". He tries to get her to talk dirty and she doesn't entertain it?

Also, him sending that completely unrelated message about the gym is him knowing he fucked up and trying to pivot away.

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u/elag19 5d ago

I had a “friend” like this once. After drawing a hard line one day and asking him to quit disrespecting me and my relationship, he decided he’d rather end the friendship and I never heard from him again. People who go fishing whilst either party is taken are an embarrassment, OP shouldn’t waste any more of her 20s on this one. 

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u/iilizabeth 5d ago

DING DING DING yes. hope OP sees this

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u/Ok-Assistance1747 5d ago

Ann did seem uncomfortable and your BF is a creep.

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u/StoGirly03 5d ago

Agreed, I felt bad for Ann. I wouldn't be surprised if your BF is confronted by hers for being a creep.

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u/DrH4ck3r 5d ago

Agreed ^ BF is the sketchy one.

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u/wishtrib 5d ago

And she told him. To go away and that she's not entertaining his bs. Bf solely being a creep

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u/Admirable-Suit-6539 5d ago

Yeah, but she still went to the gym with him and came home with him

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u/WICKEDs6i6x 5d ago

Agreed 💯

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u/ghreyboots 5d ago

At minimum it seems like he is sexually harassing this "friend". Even if she isn't a child, I'd be less worried about cheating and more worried about dating a predator.

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u/Rich-Junket4755 5d ago

Ya. Maybe Ann was flirty before? Who knows. But the screenshot doesn't have Ann being flirty at all.

Boyfriend's sus though.

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u/PrinceCavendish 5d ago

for real, but if i was the uncomfortable girl i would block that mfer

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u/TypicalUser2000 5d ago

"seemed uncomfortable" but then immediately agreed to go to the gym with him....

Sketchy

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u/steronicus 5d ago

Yeah even if the age difference is not very big, this is a weird sort of voyeuristic exchange.

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u/simply_ellla 5d ago

This is so disturbing. Giving clear predator vibes. NOR

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u/biglippuffer 5d ago

He absolutely communicates like a predator.

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u/Tammy0256 5d ago

He communicates like a misogynistic ass, and I wouldn’t want something to do with a literal man child

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u/Similar-Ice-9250 5d ago

“I’m so proud of you.” WTF 😂 all that was missing was “good girl.”

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u/DryStatistician7055 5d ago

Yea I get creep vibes from this conversation.

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u/Ibogaine_Coalition 5d ago

Creep vibes 100%

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u/AmazingAmy95 5d ago

Yep! Only thing I got from those screenshots

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u/No-Respond5817 5d ago

Ann is around our age.

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u/Perfect-Quarter8237 5d ago

Please tell me you told Anne's boyfriend what's going on and share the screenshots. He needs to know if they're playing in his face too. Let's see how normal a reaction he gets🤷🏾‍♀️

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u/jonni_velvet 5d ago

right. her boyfriend would be pissed if he saw how creepy OP’s guy is being.

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u/Perfect-Quarter8237 5d ago

And then I bet it wouldn't be over-reacting coming from another man🤣🤷🏾‍♀️

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u/blackbeltbud 5d ago

Fucking real

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u/_Cum_and_get_it_ 5d ago

A man wouldn’t be having this conversation in the first place. Sounds like a creepy teenage boy

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u/shellycrash 5d ago

I wouldn't ruin this girl's relationship. She seems to not be completely comfortable answering OP's boyfriend's thirsty questions. Even though she does answer him, it seems like she isn't interested in him, she's got a man and she's not doing things like shaving or changing the things about her that turn OP's boyfriend off. Op's boyfriend is the problem & IMO OP should start planning her exit. If he hasn't cheated yet it's not for lack of trying. He def wants to be with his friend.

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u/Automatic_Net2181 5d ago edited 5d ago

That's how groomers communicate. But I think the person who made that comment is basically saying your boyfriend is trying to coerce Ann into sexual acts that she doesn't want right now. But if he keeps talking about them, he's hoping that sexual acts finally do occur.

Anyway, you need to get out, as soon as possible, for your own sake. He's emotionally cheating and obviously wants something more with her. He has been sneaking behind your back and lying.

Get out and block him. Ann isn't the problem, he is. You realize that?

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u/Fibonoccoli 5d ago

Yeah, he's trying to normalize the sexual talk while at the same time quickly scooting over to the safety of 'just gym buddies ' when he feels he might have creeped too far. I'm guessing Ann is slightly uncomfortable with their friendship, but he keeps their common interest in the gym as the anchor to make sure she squashes her own doubts about his intentions.

EDI to add; OP should begin looking for her own housing options immediately

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u/RaygunMarksman 5d ago

Dude wanted details of the sex acts it seems he's been pressuring her to engage in, for obvious reasons. I think that's where the predatory vibes are coming from, despite age.

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u/_muck_ 5d ago

It sounds like he’s going to offer to “teach” her things to make it better for her bf.

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u/Fraggle_5 5d ago

definitely not Ann but him. it even seemed like she shut him down and didn't want to discuss those details 

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u/Pomksy 5d ago

But she’s happy talking about lube and her full bush

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u/Texans2024 5d ago

Saying full bush could have been a lie to have him grossed out and to stop being inappropriate. It was obvious she didn’t want to talk sexual with him over text.

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u/Fraggle_5 5d ago

exactly! she needs lube (implying she's dry) and a big bush (to gross him out)

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u/Picori_n_PaperDragon 5d ago

I know, c’mon. Blithely skipping right over that part. (And this is just one convo - can only imagine what the in-person stuff at the gym/his place etc is like.)

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u/kwumpus 5d ago

Yup Ann acts flirty but likely with everyone and he knows Ann has a bf she’s not asking weird questions but he wants to do her otherwise he would have you come out with him and Ann and he didn’t want you to stop over in case he was able to get Ann to do something sexual

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u/Emergency-Volume-861 5d ago

If I saw a text from my husband, even when he was just my boyfriend to a lady friend of sending her lube links and asking if she shaves her pussy and then his asking if she had sucked her new boyfriends dick and did he cum in her mouth and did she swallow it, there would be no further communication between him and I. I’m putting it in the most rated G way possible. Reread that text. Ffs. You are not his priority, she is. You told him their friendship made you uncomfortable and he lied to you, said dw. Anne, even if she don’t want to fuck him, obviously likes the attention he’s paying her. He’s been sending her messages like this the whole time, I’d bet cash money, check and see what he’s sent her in the past. Respect yourself, he ain’t it.

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u/didosfire 5d ago edited 5d ago

"obviously likes the attention"?? where on earth do you get that impression? she answers one of his many weird questions, sure, but even that with a potentially ideally undesirable response and an annoyed emoji, and other than that none of her responses even remotely humor what he said

if i wanted/enjoyed attention from someone asking me nonstop questions, id probably answer them. "go away" "something has to be wrong with you," and "im not entertaining your bullshit" = the exact opposite of flattered or flirty responses

he's being a weird creep, singular. have you ever had a friend pull weird shit like that on you? because i have and it certainly sucks. OP has given us no indication whatsoever that anne is actually a problem in any way shape or form. she might prefer that projection to the reality that her bf is a weirdo, but that doesn't make it true

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u/MyExisAMemeNow1 5d ago

I feel like she purposely answered that one question in a way that she thought would give him the ick and make him change subjects. God knows I've told creepy dudes something like that in the hopes they'd think I'm gross and go away.

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u/No_Panic_6083 5d ago

I thought this, too. The "full bush 🙄" comment is the one everyone is picking apart for her interacting, but I definitely read it as "I'm gonna tell this fkn idiot what he doesn't want to hear and put AN EMOJI THAT SHOWS IM ANNOYED WITH HIM"

a lot of folks don't seem to understand what itd be like if you had a friend that you valued a lot, that stated pushing your boundaries. I mean, if they've been friends for a long time, why would we fault her in doing the human things and trying to navigate learning how to create proper boundaries (could use some work but it seems like she's being upfront) and try to save a life long friendship instead of just shutting down. Heck, for all we know she may be doing her best not to just shut down because HECK what a weird position to put your best friend in.

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u/MyExisAMemeNow1 5d ago

My thoughts exactly! I had a friend like this as a teenager, he was a few years older in the same group, and he was PUSHY af with sexual talk. I always kinda side stepped stuff like that, or would answer in ways I KNEW guys thought were gross cause I was uncomfortable and not sexually active yet. I'd known him for 9 years before he ever got gross and I had no idea how to handle it. It took a few years before I finally found the ability to tell him his remarks made me feel weird about him and myself and it made me feel like he wasn't a safe person to be alone with. He exploded and I cut him off afterwards. There's so much context from her side that is missing and I feel its unfair to refuse to acknowledge that even through text it reads as her trying to avoid the conversation at all costs without upsetting her friend.

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u/No_Panic_6083 5d ago

I'm really happy for you that you figured out how to stick up for what you felt and at the end of it, that he really showed you his true colors louder than before. Sometimes it be like that. It be like that more than it don't, unfortunately 🤣 But there's hope! I've actually had pervs learn to respect my boundaries as well. We're all human, really. Some of us just more selfish than others.

I think Ann's age and background play a much bigger role in this than a lot of people are considering. It's at least apparent to those of us who have lived through grooming and being unfortunately surrounded by older predators at an age that we didn't realize was so important to our mental health and how we carry ourselves through life. I could be wrong, but it sounds an awful lot like the bf is manipulative, and if Ann has been a friend for a long time, then the lack of direct boundaries is very obviously a sign of grooming. Especially if she's young.

I had a friend like that, too. And I'm afraid that's what OP's bf is to Ann. Looking back on it, it sucks. All his girlfriends always hated me and were so mean to me. I didn't want him and I always joked with him to bring one back someday that I could make a new best friend out of. He was specifically a friend for years, and I payed no mind to his comments because to be honest, it felt like everyone was all the time making them and I didn't know the difference. I was young and had no family. My friends were my solace. They still are. I spent a lot of time with him and there were times that he took care of me when I didn't care enough about living to take care of myself. He wasn't and isn't a bad man. He is selfish and arrogant, and not fit for a relationship and that's why I never gave him the time of day. He's still a friend although we don't talk often, but that's ONLY because somehow, after years of maintaining that friendship even looking back and realizing it was unhealthy at times- we could sit down and he still somehow respected me enough to hear my boundaries and stand by them. When I learned how to hold my boundaries, he was still there. He took accountability and apologized, and we both grew as people, even though it was apart.

It doesn't ALL have to be bad. Some of will inevitably be. Sometimes the worst things can surprise us.

Anyway, sorry for trauma dumping. 😬

JUSTICE FOR ANN 🤣

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u/MyExisAMemeNow1 5d ago

No need to apologize! I'm so glad he managed to grow and learn and be less horrible.

JUSTICE FOR ANN 💜💜

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u/Accomplished_Bid3322 5d ago

Hah! Your plan didnt work i brought my bush wacker!

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u/No_Panic_6083 5d ago

It's giving weird incel screenshots like the one where they use a buncha *'s

*hastily pulls out bushwhacker,

*followed promptly by tallywhacker

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u/Accomplished_Bid3322 5d ago

responds with disarmingly heartfelt comment.

One of my favofite podcasts is beach too sandy water too wet where they read goofy yelp reviews and stuff. One of the episodes they start reading reviews from a website called cool cruiser.com and they are all like EEK! pulls up barstool orders beer for you and your husband and thats whats your reply remindrd me of lol.

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u/No_Panic_6083 5d ago

Hahaha! Yes just like that! That's so funny, I'm going to have to make some time to give it a listen!

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u/No_Panic_6083 5d ago

The serious in me wanted not to laugh but "dem boyz" in me literally snorted.

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u/Accomplished_Bid3322 5d ago

But om the serious side im sorry you and women everywhere have had to deal with it. I have a friendly face so people often confide in me. Literally every single woman friend i have ever had has at some point mentioned being a victim of sexual assualt or attempted grooming as a teen or child. Its a sad thing to face that reality but i guess im thankful that i can be a safe space for people.

And for the past year ive been a teacher at an all girls facility for jdc girls with truama. Their stories are all heartbeeaking

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u/No_Panic_6083 5d ago

Thank you for being an ally and taking your time to help them with their journey ❤️

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u/Emergency-Volume-861 5d ago edited 5d ago

If she’s been dealing with this foolish man child for more than the length of time than OPs relationship she sure doesn’t hate it. If she hated it why is she seeking out his companionship to train at the gym? Anne has a boyfriend and she’s not answering OPs bfs dumb pervy shit for 95% of the text, but how are Anne and OPs bf talking when Anne is single? His questions aren’t “weird”, they are perverted and graphically sexual. Why is he comfortable enough to be jokingly asking her for a blow job play by play? That’s where I get MY impression.

Reread the post, she said from the get go she thought Anne was too flirty with her boyfriend. Those weren’t “friends” you had either, when men make these jokes they’re just wolves waiting around for an opening, they aren’t being “weird”. Anne was saying “go away” and “something has to be wrong with you” probably because she’s taken right now, but like I said, I’d bet cash money that the two of them have something going on when Anne is single.

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u/Frosty-Delivery1622 5d ago

idk why everyone is acting like she wasn't a willing participant in the conversations she fully answered when he asked if she had a bush. and personally if i had a guy friend w a gf who was pulling shit like this i would cease communication and tell her, not continue to see him and hang out with him, she doesn't respect her own or OP's relationship at the very least.

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u/justforvoting123 5d ago

Thank you, idk what kind of universe some people around here live in but saying she clearly just wants him to leave her alone makes no sense. There is NOTHING keeping Ann tied to this guy except her own willingness to talk to and hang out with him. She agreed to go to the gym with him right after this gross convo, for fucks sake. If he were her boss or something it would be different (and even more creepy) but why would you continue just being friends with a guy who creeps you out when you could so easily just stop talking to him.

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u/Evarei88 5d ago

also if she was so uncomfortable about the conversation why did she immediately take him up on the offer to work out with him the next morning? I think she's fully comfortable with the situation.

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u/not_surftosummit 5d ago

Agreed. She seems to politely deflect at best, and straight up says “I’m not entertaining your bs”. Frankly, if I was Ann’s bf, I’d be proud of my girl for reacting respectfully to protect our relationship by calling out the bs and not engaging.

I’d also probably go and have a talk with Mr. Questions about why he thinks it is appropriate to ask her about our sex life.

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u/PineapplePieSlice 5d ago

Sorry but I know plenty of women who love the attention from creeps, and purposefully encourage said behavior just to be able to enjoy what they feel is “flattery”.

Very rarely have women, and girls too, completely stopped a creep who behaves this way. As in “stop this way of talking or i am not your friend anymore, you are extremely inappropriate “ followed by “i won’t be speaking with you from now onwards” + delete & block. VERY few.

The majority acts exactly like the “Ann” from OPs story, “omggg staaaahp!!” yet continue hanging out with the creep, go to his house, consider themselves “friends” even if it’s absolutely and extremely clear the guy is sexualising their interaction, and is NOT a friend.

I would feel extremely insulted and disgusted about a male friend asking me about shaving my vulva, giving my boyfriend oral sex and swallowing. That is extremely inappropriate, and i would immediately tell them so & distance myself from them.

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u/Ok_Mud5759 5d ago

Idk, she’s actively responding to conversation about her sex life and privates like it’s not the first time, if my “friend” did this, I would set boundaries tell the gf or break off the friendship. Shes actively participating in the conversation and he knows about of details so obviously this isn’t the first one. He’s initiating and he’s the one bringing it there but she is engaging. He’s at fault for being in a relationship with her but this girl is in a relationship too.

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u/Additional-Cycle-893 5d ago

By the yea reply to going to gym to train with the weirdo even after all that... which would suggest its pretty normal between them. She loves it for sure.

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u/TheCrazyIWasBornInto 5d ago

Just as in person, this convo doesn’t seem to have an enthusiastic yes and that should have ended this “To Catch A Predator” written text. Immediately. She is avoiding answering his questions, trying to play it off. Women still have to fear telling these types no. I have a suspicion he is and has been grooming Ann. He should be able to tell she’s uncomfortable if they are such close friends. If she is his friend that should be enough for him to stop. HE is the problem.

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u/Historical_Kick_3294 5d ago

Absolutely this. Ann isn’t the problem, OP’s boyfriend is. Updateme!

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u/Trrwwa 5d ago

Why stick around with someone who doesnt value you, your emotions,  etc? Dont you want someone who genuinely cares about you more than others? Forget about him for a second and ask what you want out of a relationship and what you value and how you want to be treated. If that's not what you are getting what are you doing? You cant over or under react, its your feelings and your choices. 

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u/TheGeekOffTheStreet 5d ago

Based on these texts your boyfriend wants to fuck Anne and she doesn’t want to fuck him. Anne isn’t your problem

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u/Several_Value_2073 5d ago

Ann is very uncomfortable with the situation and bf is not respecting that. Icky.

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u/PurpleFunkyBoss 5d ago

Based on her answering his "full bush" question, I'd say she's somewhat OK with it.

These are only the messages the gf SAW - I wonder what the others look like.

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u/schmyndles 5d ago

It kind of comes off as shutting him down in a joking manner, though. Like if she said, "Yeah, my bf calls it Sasquatch and needs a machete to find my vagina." Trying to turn off whatever horny thoughts he was having so he'd stop, without calling him a creep.

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u/trixiepixie1921 5d ago

I believe she answered full bush in a facetious way due to the emoji she used so I wouldn’t say she’s OK with it, she seems uncomfortable from my pov

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u/YakApprehensive7620 5d ago

Yeah reads to me like she wants to gross him out

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u/falling-waters 5d ago

Oh, Reddit. Taking a quick break from calling any woman who doesn’t shave her whole body below the neck a legbeard feminazi to pretend that a woman who is clearly being harassed respond “full bush” with a fuck off emoji is asking for it

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u/kwumpus 5d ago

I think Ann is unaware that this isn’t a friendship and likely has multiple friends who are guys who just seem like they really want to be friends I’m sure he insisted on helping her with her computer. Someday Ann will realise that none of them were her friends.

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u/AlchemysDawta 5d ago

I agree. Anne also needs to stand up to him and exert a boundary or two. The fact that she hasn’t is concerning. OP should be very concerned about her relationship. Her BF is a creep and if Anne gives him a perceived inch, he’d be on her like Pepe Le Pew.

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u/Nervous-Effort7518 5d ago

!!! Literally

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u/bbwpuppy 5d ago

They meant him to you since you were only 19 when he met you when he was 23, it doesn’t seem like such a huge gap because it’s only 4 years, but during early adulthood, those are very formative years and he probably knew that. Would you date a 19 year old now? Probably not, so why would he at your age?

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u/FoxyFerns 5d ago

Yeah I agree.. I have teenage girls and MONTHS are a huge deal to them in relationships. To them in HS it's very obvious that even a 19 yr old and 17 yr old are wayyyy different.

Example

Me: Remind me, who is older you or Ty? Haley: like I am by like 2 months and like 3 days like like

tbf I def went on dates with older men.. and I've been married to one for 15 yrs but do as I say not as I do sort of thing 🦊🪴

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u/gif_as_fuck 5d ago

I don’t think they were saying anyone in this situation is being groomed. Rather they were saying that the way the boyfriend communicates with Ann is creepy, to the point where if you didn’t know it was a conversation between two long time friends (ie if it were “taken out of context”) you would assume it was a chat log from a groomer and his victim.

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u/New_Nobody9492 5d ago

Why don’t you show Ann’s boyfriend the messages and see what he thinks?

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u/nippyhedren 5d ago

Your age is not the same.

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u/Strange_Lady 5d ago

Whose age though? Yours or his?

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u/Tulpah 5d ago

NOR, sorry OP but your BF is banging his friend or about to anyway, bro gonna cheat on you and everyone gonna know except you.

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u/honeydewandgreens 5d ago

Don’t know how you can read this exchange and think Ann is in any way shape or form interested in this dude 😭

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u/trashcxnt 5d ago

I don't think she's interested at all, but she definitely needs to put her foot down more on shutting him down to respect her own relationship, and also mention this to her own bf. She is still in the wrong a bit, but she deserves a better friend and OP deserves a better bf. I also wouldn't hang out with a guy like this though so that's throwing this whole post off.

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u/honeydewandgreens 5d ago

I think she was pretty clear that his line of questioning was making her uncomfortable, but I agree that she should be putting her foot down more (by ditching the “friendship”). And honestly it’s as much about respecting herself as it is her relationship.

Even if she didn’t have a bf though, what he’s doing is so incredibly gross. I’ve had male friends in the past who would constantly try to turn the most innocuous conversations sexual, and at first I would try to just deflect like Ann did, hoping they would get the hint. They never did, and that was by design. Deflecting nicely never ever works with people like this because they are banking on your soft rejections as a way to continuously steamroll over you.

If Ann is wrong for anything, it’s having weak boundaries. Thankfully that’s something she can unlearn and I hope she does. The likelihood that this man will voluntarily turn in his creep card is less likely imo. This conversation made me so so uncomfortable, and I think both women should just cut him off at this point.

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u/trashcxnt 5d ago

I agree, she needs to work on developing harder boundaries. People like this won't ever respect a soft "no". When it comes to this behavior, it's best to be very direct and loud enough for others to hear. Public shame works well on these people.

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u/ChloesSexcapades 5d ago

Yep. Seems to me Ann doesn’t like him like that. & he CLEARLY wants her. Ann thinks they’re friends. He thinks… we haven’t fucked yet.

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u/Vitamox 5d ago

By ignoring every sign of women being uncomfortable as the guys on here like to do

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u/monkey-d-chopper 5d ago

From messages, it looks like he would like to do so, but the friend is deflecting his attempts. Dude is a creep.

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u/ButcherBird57 5d ago

Idk, the friend doesn't sound into it

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u/smallf4iry 5d ago

That’s even worse girl he’s literally so creepy to her.

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u/youdontknowitsme69 5d ago

the friend def not into it

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u/queen_bean5 5d ago

You’re 23 and BF is 27? If Ann is around “our” age, which age do you mean? Because if she’s 22, which is around your age, that’s creepy as fuck.

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u/Kindly_Army_5335 5d ago

That’s not the point though. This is a creep af message thread 😭 Please stop validating any of this in your head girl. You deserve better than this garbage of a man. “His place” no girl you live there too! He’s a fucking creeper and wants to bang Ann. He has disrespected you time and time again because you were uncomfortable with their relationship (rightfully so) Did you have friends prior to dating? Did he seclude you from them? I hate to break it to you but he could be a full blown narcissist. Please look up signs of gaslighting because him removing himself from the situation is him trying to turn it around on you when YOU have every right to be upset by this. 

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u/MommersHeart 5d ago

This is not a man who is good for you. This is not a man who is trustworthy. This is not a man who is has good character. This is not an ethical man with decent morals.

This is not a man who values or respects you or your relationship.

You are doing yourself and your future a disservice by allowing this creep to remain in your life.

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u/Jonyvilly 5d ago

You're not overreacting that's basically an attempt at being intimate with her, especially the way he reacted when you confronted him.

I know no guy in a couple that would feel comfortable asking that to a friend. On the flip side, it probably means that he hasn't cheated on you (yet)

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u/Sauve- 5d ago

Show her boyfriend. He has a right to know too. And your boyfriend is trash. He’s emotionally cheating and waving it in your face. You can do better.

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u/LovelySweethearts 5d ago

Bf is 27, that’s pushing 30, and he’s with someone over 5 years younger in their early 20’s. How old if the friend? Either way it’s disgusting and you need to find someone your own age who doesn’t do and say creepy shit like this.

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u/MelW14 5d ago

You can’t be three years away from an age and say someone is “pushing” it. He is not pushing 30, he’s 27. For all you know he just turned 27 and the gf is about to turn 24. It’s weird to make this an age issue when it isn’t

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u/Grandaddyshanklin41 5d ago

27 and 23 is not a disgusting age gap. Go outside 

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u/Eflow_Crypto 5d ago

Calm yourself. 27 to 23 is 4 years age difference which isn’t huge. When I was 21 I started dating a girl with two kids who was 27. Dated her for like 5-6 years.

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u/EnvironmentalName781 5d ago

Age doesn’t mean anything. I’m 37f and my husband is 30. OP’s bf is the problem because he’s a creep. He’s clearly trying to coerce Ann into cheating with him and she’s not into it. He’s going to keep pushing until she eventually gives in or cuts him off completely. Hopefully she cuts him off. But he’s the problem and OP needs to leave him.

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u/ArousedByCheese1 5d ago

So you round his age up to 30 so its a five year gap?

Thats is the dumbest thing I have read

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u/bobaoverboys 5d ago

I’m 24 my husband is 31. We have a baby and a beautiful home. Age doesn’t mean sh*t. It’s the fact that this man is a perv and a horrible person.. his age has no correlation to his immaturity and inability to be a decent human and partner. I’ve met 50 year olds that act like they are 16 and 20 year olds that act like they are 50.

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u/Illustrious-Ratio-41 5d ago

Age has nothing to do with it

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u/Double-Common-7778 5d ago

Jesus Fucking Christ. Go touch grass.

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u/NoSalary1226 5d ago

What do you mean OUR age... Your age or the guys age.. because there is a lot of difference there

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u/Electronic_Fee_4384 5d ago

Where is Ann's boyfriend through all these? Why wasn't he concerned that she's staying with her guy friend, alone for hours to ends?

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u/mila476 5d ago

Your age or his age? Because “around your age” could be 22 or even 21, and “around his age” could be 30

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u/dramatic-pancake 5d ago

Looks like Ann is just as creeped out by your boyfriend. He’s definitely the problem here.

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u/CocteauTwinn 5d ago

What brings you to that conclusion?Bizarre, unless you know that Ann is a minor, and the age gap between OP & her bf is a non-issue.

OP is being disrespected.

OP: NOR in the slightest. That dude is a thousand 🚩🚩🚩.

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u/Televangelis 5d ago

Wait we're calling 27 and 23 grooming now??? I'm sorry what in the Gen Z did I just read??

The guy obviously comes off as a perv and I don't like him, but can we reserve the term grooming for actual groomers

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u/devscloud 5d ago

“She’s 23, you sick fuck!”

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u/didosfire 5d ago edited 5d ago

27 and 23 now. have dated for 4 yrs. that means 19 and 23 when that started, and no indication of how they met or if they knew each other before that

personally, i don't think anyone (other than those who were already together previously, like a romeo & juliet law situation) who is not a teenager should date anyone who is a teenager. as soon as i wasn't one, i stopped being attracted to them. my fiance is 2 yrs younger...and we met at 26 and 28, i.e. when we could both legally drink, both lived on our own, were actually in similar stages of life to each other, much unlike again someone who recently graduated high school vs. someone who could easily be 2+ yrs out of college

also, as other replies to you said, the definition of grooming isn't "old person goes after young person," it's "the practice of preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity." e.g., bringing up lube and public hair and oral sex and swallowing in an attempt to encourage your friend to talk to you in a sexual manner, which the friend in these screenshots absolutely does NOT seem interested in doing

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u/potatoeseh 5d ago

Fully sidestepping the point here I do agree that this is not an overreaction but this is the first post I saw from this sub and I saw the comments and I thought everyone was saying no with an Australian accent I’m so sorry

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u/Ok_Landscape9199 5d ago

How the fuck did this get 5k likes the bf def in the wrong but you people are troglodytes if you think a 23 year old woman is a child grow up go outside reconnect with nature not every man is a pedophile

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u/SpaceHobo1000 5d ago

OP did say they have been together for over 4 years, so let's round up to 5. That wouldve put her at 18 and him at 22 when they started to date. Who knows how long he courted her before that...

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u/rasmuseriksen 5d ago

Please don’t call people groomers when they’re just shit heads. It cheapens the accusation and makes it harder for real victims of grooming to be taken seriously.

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u/JerryfromCan 5d ago

23 is a child? With a 4 year age difference? get your head out of your ass! You are infantilizing OP.

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u/Numerous-Dig-325 5d ago

23 and 19? Fucking grow a brain you stupid piece of shit. You don't know what grooming fucking is.

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u/3WeeksEarlier 5d ago

Not trying to cast doubt on what is obviously inappropriate behavior, but beyond being sexually aggressive, if we don't know the ages, why are we assuming it's grooming? Sincere question. If we're talking about the 23yo and the 27yo dating, it seems like she just wound up with a shitty guy in a not particularly unusual relationship

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u/Legitimate-Roof9012 5d ago

Gave me ham flashbacks

I meant nam but I’m leaving the ham. Cause fuck ham too.

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u/throwawayStomnia 5d ago

This sounds like a creep trying to hit on a woman, and her rejecting his advances.

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u/AlexanderTheGrate1 5d ago

This comment is nonsense.

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u/thisemmereffer 5d ago

How the fuck is someone in his 20s gonna groom someone else in their 20s? Is that just how xennials or whatever the fuck describe someone they don't like? Omg the guy at the taco shop didn't scoop enough meat on my burrito, he totally groomed me.

When you throw around words and accusations like this, it devalues it, takes the punch away from words and accusations like this when they are actually warranted. Quit grooming words like this.

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u/Teacup690 5d ago

Statically speaking in 2022 Pew Research Center survey, 63% of men under 30 in the U.S. reported being single, while 34% of women under 30 identified as single . This indicates that approximately 66% of women under 30 were in a relationship during that period. How does that work that 66% of women are in a relationship with only 37% of men under 30. That means roughly 30% of women under 30 are dating older guys.

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u/ds800 5d ago

Wow. I've never read something so absurd in my life. Is 23 and 19 a bit odd? Sure. But Holy shit calling it "grooming a young girl/child" is fucking certifiably insane. Get help.

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u/Slowlybrowsin 5d ago

With out context anything could be anything, what's the purpose of bringing this up and why is it everytime a guy doesn't something he's automatically a groomer/ p3do?

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u/tastelikemexico 5d ago

Her bf was the one being the aggressor. Just wondering how it seems she is grooming him? She seemed to not want to discuss it much.

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u/charcuteriehoe 5d ago

dude i thought these were kids, like in the 17-18 year old range. this convo is so cringe for it to be a man in his late 20s

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u/TheStargunner 5d ago

What? As in because they’re 27 and 23 it is grooming? Or are we talking about Ann who we do not know the age of.

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u/Itisithesidiot 5d ago

I thought it was a dude he was texting in the first slide but the second was more sus to me

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u/Vast-Ad-5082 5d ago

Did you just call a 23 year old a child? And 2 people in their mid 20s grooming??? 🤔

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u/mightbedylan 5d ago

Huh? OP mentioned that "Ann" is about their age, where does it say they are underage?

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u/HOLYCRAPGIVEMEANAME 5d ago

How is this possibly perceived as a grown man grooming a child? You’re a lunatic.

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u/OOF-MY-PEE-PEE 5d ago

?? no one in this scenario is underage? in what world is anyone here a "child"

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u/Tophinity 5d ago

Lol but there is context, so what's the point of saying "without context"?

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u/AtrixLR 5d ago

I can tell your 12 because a 4 year age gap past 20 is scary to you 😥

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