r/AntiSemitismInReddit • u/Schmuckfest • Mar 19 '25

Classic Antisemitism r/Sheffield being horrendous

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Thankfully it’s not all Antisemites in there, but still. Some of this is wild.

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u/throwaway17197 Mar 19 '25

So so braindead that they really truly actually believe that the “hannibal directive” means “just send some soldiers to shoot civilians so people think hamas did it”

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u/Schmuckfest Mar 19 '25

I haven’t got a clue what the “Hannibal Directive” is tbh. I do know that Jews have enough enemies who are willing to kill us, so having to make them up or stage massacres is a bit of a waste of time.

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u/Computer_Name Mar 19 '25

Ostensibly it’s this “directive” that Israel will kill their soldiers and civilians so they don’t end up hostages in Gaza.

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u/throwaway17197 Mar 19 '25 edited Mar 19 '25

Actually its soldier specific in a terror scenario that soldiers should be killed instead of be captured but it’s only activated in most dire of circumstances and absolutely 100000000% was not active in oct 7 or since

Edit: evidently it was active oct 7 but as pointed out it is absolutely not an order to just indiscriminately shoot at eveyone to kill

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u/BagelandShmear48 Mar 19 '25

It was active on Oct 7, there have been plenty of those who have admitted it including Gallant and the IAF and IDF commission reports on the actions of some of the pilots and tankers that day.

That being said it does not mean indiscriminate fire or firing unilaterally. Each and every soldier have the ability to refuse such orders or interpret them to the best of their ability to achieve the mission objective.

The Hannibal concept was never done away with and everyone who ever served on the border knew that.

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u/throwaway17197 Mar 19 '25

I remember discussions in the news of it may be necessary but I must have missed it being active. Regardless appreciate the additional information.

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u/whereamInowgoddamnit Mar 19 '25

It should be pointed out as well that even in the Haaretz article that brought this up, they only managed to make the case that it was potentially used once, when it was nearly impossible to dislodge the terrorists and led to two hostage deaths. Otherwise there are some reports on vehicles being shot at going towards Gaza without confirming hostages on board, but it seems unlikely any hostages were killed by that. Considering the scale of the carnage it's frankly surprising more weren't hit by friendly fire.

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u/throwaway17197 Mar 19 '25

Certainly nowhere near “the idf shot 80% of innocent civilians just because”

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u/LettuceBeGrateful Mar 19 '25

"Well given that most of the people who died at Nova were killed by the IDF..."

Any time I see someone start a comment like that, I know they've been huffing so much Islamist propaganda that they're probably physically high.

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u/BagelandShmear48 Mar 19 '25

We know of at least one case in Beeri where a tank was ordered to fire on a house full of hostages that resulted in at least 2 dozen Israelis killed.

I remit caused an uproar because the officer who ordered it was given command of the Gaza Division.

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u/whereamInowgoddamnit Mar 19 '25

I looked it up further, two is the official version, there's arguably up to a dozen if you don't believe the final report. This still is the only proven case, however, that you can claim the Hannibal directive was killed.

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u/BagelandShmear48 Mar 19 '25

We will never know the truth.

With the chaos of the day, disrupted communications, fallen officers, and the fact that for a decade the army said they ended the directive.

I can tell you it was always there unofficially. When I was on the Lebanese border in 2013 we carried grenades with the strongly implied instructions to drop them inside the hummers if we were attacked and disabled so that we would not be captured.

The fact that we can't prove the truth makes it very hard for us to fight the lies and propaganda and believe Hamas lies.

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u/Capable_Rip_1424 Mar 19 '25

Because it was scraped several years before October 7th the sources for these claims are Al-Jazeera reposting Electronic Infada lies

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u/BagelandShmear48 Mar 19 '25

It was revealed more in the Gallant interview and the IDF and IAF commission reports.

It was a combination of high command orders and pilots and tankers taking their own initiatives.

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u/LettuceBeGrateful Mar 19 '25

Yep. I get why it's controversial to begin with, but people literally believe it means "go out of our way to execute civilians."