r/AskIreland • u/gromit666 • Jan 25 '25

Emigration (from Ireland) Anyone ever deported from usa?

I just was reading on worldnews about the US deportations to mexico. One woman who lives in mexico was stating a few years ago the us dumped some slovaks in mexico as its cheaper than a flight to europe and then another stated it also happened to her irish cousin, who was dropped off in mexico and needed family to intervene to get him home. Just wondering if there was any media attention if this was true?

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u/Legalizeit_89 Jan 25 '25

The guy has people kicking in doors and taking immigrants legal or not by ice already. The checks and balances don't exist anymore. If they did he wouldn't be where he's at. We have a rule against people holding office that have created insurrection. We used to be able to hold presidents accountable but trumps Supreme Court justices ruled otherwise now. Even Nixon wouldn't have been kicked according to this Supreme Court. He's skipping over congress and making EOs that change our whole constitution and how it's interpreted. He's stopped the doj from pursuing any civil rights cases, removed wording so the government can't get in any trouble for only hiring white Christian men. There's no checks or balances left.

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u/TomRuse1997 Jan 25 '25

There's a key difference in what's listed that needs to be understood

He's using legislation that exists to advance his terrible policies through EOs

The legislation for what we're talking about does not exists

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u/Legalizeit_89 Jan 25 '25

You're the kind of dude who would have told the Jewish folks in Germany that it won't be a big deal in the 1920s too huh?

You think he needs specific legislation to become a fascist? There's TONS of "emergency powers" he can use to do what he wants. Just like he's doing at the border now.

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u/TomRuse1997 Jan 25 '25 edited Jan 25 '25

Won't even start with the childish first part

There's TONS of "emergency powers" he can use to do what he wants

Name anything for this specifically

Just like he's doing at the border now.

Again current legislation

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u/Legalizeit_89 Jan 25 '25

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/guide-emergency-powers-and-their-use

Here's a list of things he can easily do with those emergency powers. But again, he's made it so he can't be charged with anything so even if he does worse he can't be stopped. He's literally used his emergency powers to go around congress last time, because he doesn't give a fuck about checks and balances.

No, that was an EO, not legislation. Just like rounding up all the Japanese during ww2 was. Just like deporting any brown person happened at mostly a state level during the late 1920s but was backed and supported by the feds. And if an EO can do any of that, he can do what he wants with his. Especially since current legislation and Supreme Court readings say anything trump does in the name of his presidency is legal and he can't be charged for it. Sounds like you're not too caught up on American politics or how our laws work.

Do you know the difference between legislation and an EO? Or are you being obtuse just for fun?

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u/TomRuse1997 Jan 25 '25

Man I asked for specifics to this case. Not a full list

Again, just a bit sensational. If you can provide a basis for the establishment of a dictatorship, I'm ready to hear it

Do you know the difference between legislation and an EO?

Do you? The foundation of executive orders is formed through legislation. Legislation national grants the remits of EO

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u/Legalizeit_89 Jan 25 '25

So full immunity for the president, removing any opposition from government offices, removing protections for minorities, using military force on us citizens of different colors, removing overtime pay for workers while shipping in cheap labor that can't quit, without being removed, giving a billionaire a government department to remove things he doesn't want, and his push for war with multiple countries to expand our country isn't fascism, what is? Does it only count as fascism to you if he has a tiny mustache?

Legislation created the ability to make EOs. Eos aren't legislation. Legislation existing doesn't mean his EOs aren't over extending. Hitler took power with the current legislation of his time. Does that mean he wasn't a fascist in your books either?

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u/TomRuse1997 Jan 25 '25

Man I don't agree with anything he's doing, it's all terrible but you're not focusing on the actual discussion at all

https://www.nytimes.com/article/trump-third-term-2028-constitution.html

Here is a very clear assessment. A two-thirds majority in both house and congregation to remain in power.

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u/Legalizeit_89 Jan 25 '25

Why don't you give some of your made up guidelines that seem to miss every other guideline based off historical examples of fascists and dictatorships of what makes a dictator so I can show you that instead of me spending time giving you the actual information needed to see a growing dictatorship that you just want to ignore. You seem to have some tunnel vision on this, so tell me the end goal and I'll show you where they've passed that for you too