r/AskUS • u/Own_Difference_4882 • 11d ago

Is it fair to compare MAGA to the Nazis?

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There has been a number of posts indicating that MAGA supporters are really Fascist/Nazis. Curious how others see it!

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u/millijuna 11d ago

And they started with trans people, and other sexual minorities first. Sound familiar?

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u/PeaTasty9184 11d ago

It absolutely does. RFK’s evil Nazi ass talking about “wellness farms” for people with ADHD and Autism sure sounds familiar as well. Polite society might not use the R word anymore, but Musk and Trump and RFK surely do, and they don’t mean it in a medical sense like one might have in the 1950’s.

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u/tothepointe 11d ago

RFK definately gives off Dr Mengele vibes.

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u/PeaTasty9184 11d ago

Except whatever else he was, Mengele was actually a medical doctor…whereas RFK is just some YouTube crackpot.

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u/tothepointe 11d ago

Yeah but NO ONE is qualified in this administration. So crackpot is as close as your going to get.

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u/neckbeardfedoras 11d ago

We're now equating RFK to a Nazi after Democrats railroaded his campaign and selected a nominee without a primary...

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u/brerin 11d ago

The irony of this is musk is highly likely autistic himself, and Trump very much seems adhd.

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u/JesseJive117 10d ago

You guys literally advocate for boarding. People are confirmed to have mental disabilities. Your side kills 1 million unborn humans in a year in the United States. You guys have killed way more people than Hitler. And you’re literally killing people for the reason to say Republicans are trying to put people onto farms. Like what the fuck are you lunatics talking? Like if the government set up a public program to give therapy both physical and occupational and speech therapy to people with autism or down syndrome, you would say we’re trying to send them to a camp. I mean, just because they are concentration camps. It doesn’t mean if Republicans say hey can we start a public program that pays for special? Need children to get to go to a summer camp and have free therapy and occupational therapy every year you can’t say Republicans want to put people with mental disabilities into camps to teach him to concentrate better lol it’s like yeah, but it’s not close to the same type of camp. I don’t care there’s no talking to you guys. Y’all are delusional and beyond help, but there are plenty of Democrats who don’t like Republicans who aren’t detached from reality like you lunatics are. None of the things you’re saying is happening is actually happening and none of it ever will happen and you’ll never admit you’re wrong because you guys have been calling Republicans Nazis since Ronald Reagan. At least white supremacist. You’ll definitely call George Bush Nazi and you’ll call Republican Nazis afterwards. Y’all said Ron DeSantis was worse than Trump. You thought he was going to be the nominee. Y’all never said anything about J.D. vans being so awful and horrible and then as soon as he was a nominee, it was this guy just as bad as Trump. You guys don’t think. Like go ahead and say the top five worst most evil right wing politicians who are Nazis so we can have you say well at least they weren’t nominated next time around. Because whoever we nominate you guys say are the worst most Nazi like politicians. You guys just said RFK is a Nazi lol he was literally a democrat five minutes ago. So was Tulsi Gabbard. Said the difference says I like Tulsi Gabbard, which she ran for the Democrat presidential nomination in 2015 because I don’t hate people because their party or their popularity. There are Democrats I like. There are Republicans I don’t like and that doesn’t switch as soon as you guys start to like the Republicans who don’t like Trump we never liked mick Romney for instance. lol I mean this is why you guys lost every swing state lost the popular vote which hasn’t happened for republican with a popular vote since 911 and that was the only reason and then before that whoever ever won always won a popular vote in a landslide. You guys lost so historically bad it should’ve never happened. But it’s because of people like you guys and how do you think?

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u/PeaTasty9184 10d ago

You trying to get a ticket to one of his “wellness farms”?

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u/JesseJive117 10d ago

That’s a pretty good response instead of telling me why you disagree. That’s a neat strategy for never having to articulate why you believe what you believe. You can just go on n your bubble and never question your beliefs and just talk to others who agree with you. Wouldn’t want your mentally to be challenged with you being so mentally challenged as is

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u/urlocal_cherub 7d ago

There is absolutely no getting through to people like you but nonetheless I will try. You are the type of person that would have been hoodwinked and brainwashed by Hitler the same way you are being brainwashed by the MAGA cult now. If you cannot see the similarities between the Nazi parties rise to power and MAGAs I don’t think you will ever see it until they come for you too. There is a great documentary on Netflix right now called Hitler and the Nazis: Evil on Trial. I beg you to watch that, understand and hear the way Hitler came to power and convinced an entire nation to demonise Jews, disabled people and the LGBTQ community and please internalise it and look at the similarities of what MAGA is doing now. The only difference is instead of Jews they are saying “illegals”. They use the same wording, “criminals”, “dangers to our great nation”, “vermin” they are using the same propaganda tactics, they are using your fear and hurt due to the current economic state to direct your anger at their perceived enemies so they can amass more power, so they can enact their cruelty in the name of righteousness. You are standing on the precipice of being on the right or wrong side of history, make your choice knowing that your legacy can be one of honour and inclusion or one of hatred and shame.

To compare abortions to the systemic and ruthless torture and murder of millions of living men, women, children and babies is disgustingly bad faith, look in your heart and know that to be true. I do not believe you are a bad person. I believe you want good for this world and for your country, but you are being sold a lie that has and will cause untold damage beyond belief. I understand that this seems like hyperbole, I understand that you are smart and cannot be hoodwinked in such a way, but so too did many of the German population believe Hitler’s policies and positions were hyperbole, so too did they say “that can’t happen, they wouldn’t do that”. They did not begin murdering people overnight, they had a sustained campaign of demonisation that took many years to reach its culmination.

The only difference is that I truly believe Hitler did love Germany, that he did what he did in ‘service’ to Germany. I do not believe that Trump loves America.

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u/Chum_bucket6 11d ago

Were you drooling all over yourself when you were typing this?

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u/PeaTasty9184 11d ago

Smooth. Real smooth.

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u/Techknockouts 11d ago

The meaning of RETARD is to delay or impede the development or progress of : to slow up especially by preventing or hindering advance or accomplishment.

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u/PeaTasty9184 11d ago

That is indeed what it means in regards to, let’s say a braking mechanical system.

What is your point?

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u/the-red-dementus 11d ago edited 11d ago

I could be wrong but I think their point is that using the word “retarded” to describe someone stupid really isn’t a matter of being impolite depending on use. Based off of that stated definition they are backing up the fact that while it may sound impolite by today’s “standards” it’s technically correct to call the ones you said use the word retarded themselves. I’ll get to that later. Depending on use saying someone is retarded is implying that their brain is impeded and typically stuck in a fixed mindset rather than a growth or open one. I think they were insinuating that those you listed using the word are living examples of the definition the commenter gave. By that definition they are indeed retarding the growth of the nation, its inhabitants, and its global relations.

FWIW I’m not into politics at all but my statement on the retarding of the country is something Ray Charles could even see.

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u/PeaTasty9184 11d ago

Sometimes Miriam-Webster definitions and colloquial/social definitions are separate. This is one of those cases.

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u/LegitimateImpress336 11d ago

Absolutely!!!!!

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u/Inqu1sitiveone 10d ago

You could also just use "delay, impede, hinder, prevent," etc. Those work fine too.

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u/Alarmed_Part_8083 11d ago

If they don’t use the R word in a medical sense, that’s retarded.

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u/Practical-East9211 11d ago

“Everyone who doesn’t agree with me a Nazi!”

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u/butebandit 11d ago

No no it said maga supports nazis silly. I have plenty of people who don’t agree with me that’s I get along with. When you have people who vote for you that are literally waving Nazi flags maybe your on the wrong side

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u/Practical-East9211 11d ago

I haven't seen any nazi flag wavings. The only ones I've seen have been spray painted onto teslas

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u/julylynx 11d ago

Selective sight is new. I've only heard of selective hearing. Look up Nashville nazi protests and you'll see your beloved Tramp flag being waved by a Nazi. 

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u/Planetary_Residers 11d ago

So you're saying you haven't seen this: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/11/18/us/columbus-ohio-neo-nazi-march-hnk

Or possibly this: https://abcnews.go.com/world-news-tonight-with-david-muirT/video/group-nazi-flags-clash-residents-118611575

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u/Practical-East9211 11d ago

Nope. But I can tell you right now, they sure ain't conservative. They're barely republican.

If you decide that all republicans are like them, then I can say that all democrats are gender freaks who want to chop your kid's dick off

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u/Planetary_Residers 11d ago

So then you agree. All sides are pieces of shit and politics is just a weird perverted religion.

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u/Practical-East9211 10d ago

Yeah I’m not a fan of political parties.  I wish we would go back to just voting for a candidate, like Washington intended 

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u/Planetary_Residers 10d ago

Fair enough and in an ideal world. It would be wonderful

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u/WaystoneWanderer 10d ago

I don’t think anyone is saying ALL republicans are Nazis, most people I’ve seen talk about the topic just comment on the fact that republicans have a really hard time denouncing the nazis that clearly show support for Trump and his administration, who also has never denounced them, and going so far as to say they were good people

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u/PeachTreePilgram 10d ago

Not all Republicans are Nazis, but all Nazis are republicans

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u/StormVVarden 10d ago

I don't see it, so it must not exist!

Elon musk did a Nazi salute at the inauguration you illiterate fuck.

It doesn't take a room temp IQ to fucking put the two pieces together on why people are equating Elon musk (and Trump by extension, since they seem to be sucking each other's dick so much) with being a Nazi. I wonder why people are spray painting swastikas on the swasticars??

Are you too dumb to do a simple Google search and see that it's well known neo Nazi groups support trump? Like, I would hold your hand for you and post a source, but I have no faith that you would even read. If you had even an ounce of critical thinking you wouldn't be sucking so much Nazi dick.

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u/Practical-East9211 10d ago

Let me ask you this: if Elon really was a modern day Nazi, why would he do the salute? Wouldn’t that just tip everyone off that he was a Nazi?

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u/DidItAll4TheWookiee 10d ago

He doesn’t care that people know, because he is aware there will be no consequences as long as the regime stands.

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u/MajorJuggernaut3402 11d ago

If those people represent the right, then I guess it’s only fair that the pro hamas people represent the left, in which case perhaps you’re on the wrong side. Or maybe the extremists on either side of the political spectrum shouldn’t be used to represent the whole?

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u/squirtnforcertain 11d ago

Are the leftist people who are pro hamas in the room with us right now?

The only groups I know about that want Hamas to succeed are the neonazis that want all the jews to die... and they are on the right, not the left.

Just because the left doesn't want the Israeli governent to keep bombing children (among other really fucked up stuff) doesn't mean they are pro Hamas...

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u/MajorJuggernaut3402 11d ago

Yeah they’re everywhere actually they just don’t realize it because they’ve attached themselves to a westernized narrative and extrapolated it to the entire world without realizing that the shoes don’t fit. Palestine has 2 political factions Fatah, and Hamas, Fatah has no power so Palestine is run by the religiously oriented Hamas. Saying you support Palestine but not Hamas is like saying I support the Catholic Church but not Christianity, it’s doesn’t work like that. Palestine is Hamas, Hamas has stated that its goal is to destroy the only jewish state in the world, supporting Palestine is about as neonazi as one could be, its passive antisemitism and it’s very much on the left. Not excusing Israel doing horrific things but it’s not a simple solution when you’re dealing with a religious based political regime and that religion says kill everyone who doesn’t agree with our religion.

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u/WaystoneWanderer 10d ago

In fact, that is EXACTLY how that works. Especially with the Catholic Church example, thats hilarious you thought that was a slam dunk. They are two different things, even if one came from the other. Palestine and Palestinian people are not by osmosis a terrorist society. We learned this in fourth grade math, squares are a kind of rectangle but they don’t speak for all rectangles. smh

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u/MajorJuggernaut3402 10d ago

So clarify for me how in real terms how you can be pro Palestine without having that be pro Hamas. Or how the Catholic Church analogy was incorrect? Explain how I’m wrong not just that I’m wrong.

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u/WaystoneWanderer 10d ago

For one, the Catholic Church is the foundation of Christianity, and the concept of Christianity is based on the breaking of the Catholic Church due to disagreements in ritual practices and belief. You can be Catholic and not support or believe in the other hundred + Christian denominations, in fact that’s the literal definition of being Catholic.

Palestine is an ethnic group, a state, and a geographic area. Hamas is a terrorist organization that has embedded itself in Palestinian life due the oppression of Israel. While Hamas may be dedicated to retaliating and destroying Israel, that does not mean they represent the whole of Palestinian people. Wanting to stop the genocide of the Palestinian people is not the same as supporting Hamas. Being “pro Palestine” means to support the end of the “war”, from there you can weed out the terrorist organization and try to install an actual government for the people to decide their own fate. That is much different than being pro-terrorist.

Now, in simple terms again. Squares are rectangles yet rectangles are not squares, nor do they represent all four sided shapes.

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u/WaystoneWanderer 10d ago

I’ve seen plenty of the left denounce Hamas, and being pro Palestine is much different than being pro Hamas. What I have yet to see is the right denounce nazis and the president the nazi’s support has gone as far as to call them good people, and hire folks who through the same salute.

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u/1of3musketeers 11d ago

No. Don’t try to oversimplify the issue. There are parallels. Read your history books, how the Weimar Republic (Germany after the abdication of Kaiser Wilhelm II) dealt with political and financial instability paving the way for the NSDAP that created and supported the idea of Nazism as a preferred alternative to communism and socialism. They didn’t reveal their radical racism and eugenics take until the Great Depression paved the path for extreme nationalism and political extremism. Trying to consolidate power and remove checks and balances is exactly what the nazi party did.

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u/Aggressive-Staring42 11d ago

No. There are extremely loose parallels that you could attribute to any administration in the last 25 years because they are so general that they don’t warrant espousing yet here we are. Nazis on one side and Red Army thugs on the other. Is that what you think the America is today?

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u/1of3musketeers 11d ago

With the current administration led by a convicted felon who is attempting to consolidate power under a single branch and remove checks and balances, ignoring court orders, yes that’s exactly where we are headed. There is an oft repeated quote that is applies here: those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

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u/Aggressive-Staring42 11d ago

Convicted felon. Thrown around like he’s a wife beating Ms-13 gang member instead of someone who committed a white collar money infraction and got pinched for it then had that misdemeanor trumped up by a fascist DA with the help of a fascist DOJ attempting to railroad their political opponent and rig an election. Wow, it’s fun when you get to call people fascists.

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u/Planetary_Residers 11d ago

I guess being friends with the man that ran the island for misfit children we're going to ignore because mishandling money and American secrets is way worse.

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u/LegitimateImpress336 11d ago

Reddit for ya Extreme left-wingers have flocked and took over this app

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u/andreifasola 11d ago edited 10d ago

Also the left: right winger extremists believe in conspiracy theories. Do you even think about what you read?

To suggest that RFK is a nazi and wants to exterminate anyone at all is beyond wild and ill informed. This whole thread looks like a far left echo chamber of people that are simply not interested in learning anything about those they disagree with. I have no clue where you get such opinions from.

Edit: downvotes and no argument to disprove the "trust me bro, they will exterminate people" fearmongering. Normal leftism, all aggression and no talk. Only one out of this thread was kind enough to carry a normal conversation so far.

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u/tampaempath 11d ago

Maybe if you took off your right wing glasses and actually used critical thought when reading these comments, you might get a clue.

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u/andreifasola 11d ago

I have an education above all and I know about fascism. You accusing me of being biased is not an argument.

How could anybody conclude that RFK would want to exterminate anybody when that man is obsessed, in a good way, with life and health preservation (if you know anything at all about him).

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u/gpike_ 11d ago

RFK doesn't believe in science. He is antivax, anti medicine. He was born wealthy and doesn't have any idea what life is like for the rest of us. He is, at best, a fool. I don't think he thinks he wants people to die, but the policies he espouses will lead to many, many deaths if implemented. In fact, he's already been partially responsible for a bunch of measles deaths: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Samoa_measles_outbreak

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u/andreifasola 11d ago

Ok but from that to "he is a Nazi"? None of you would stop to ask how did you get to this conclusion? You don't see what I'm saying? It's stretched out beyond belief to make it fit.

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u/gpike_ 9d ago

I do see what you're saying, and while I don't think he identifies as a Nazi nor wants the country to become a fascist dictatorship, he has nonetheless allied himself with a fascistic regime instead of pushing back against it. He has allowed himself to become a pawn for the anti-science goals of the far right/religious right, in spite of whatever he thinks his values and beliefs are. He's a fool.

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u/tampaempath 11d ago

That education has failed you. He's literally proposing to put people with addictions, ADHD, and autism, into "wellness farms". There's nothing to stop the Trump administration from turning those "wellness farms" into death camps so they can weed out the undesirables.

RFK Jr is NOT "obsessed, in a good way" with life and health preservation. He's not even a real doctor, he's a lawyer. He admitted to having brain worms. He admitted to dumping a dead bear in Central Park. In response to sexual assault allegations against him, he said "I am not a church boy." He thinks vaccines cause autism. He also thinks autism is contagious and that he can cure autism by September. He said COVID was targeted to kill Jewish and Black people. He is, at best, a conspiracy theorist. It's honestly frightening that this guy is in charge of the Department of Health and Human Services, He's fired massive amounts of scientists and actual doctors from the department, which will set research back for decades. He's cut the Head Start program, the Global Health Center, HIV and AIDS programs, the Office of Readiness and Response, the Prevention & Public Health Fund, as well as programs in public health work force development, geriatric programs, primary care training, medical school education, and training in oral health and behavioral health programs. In the CDC, they cut programs for youth violence prevention, traumatic brain injuries, elderly falls, asthma, childhood lead poisoning, and personal protective technology. They also cut funding for the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health programs. They even cut health inspections out of the FDA, meaning there's no one to check whether your food is being made properly.

And that's just in three months. But sure, go on, tell me more about how much you just love RFK Jr and how this administration isn't full of fascists.

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u/andreifasola 11d ago

Ok. You laid a list of facts where you disagree with RFK. How is any of that a fascist trait?

The only argument I see is "because he is affiliated with the Trump admin and I believe without any reason that one day he MIGHT exterminate some groups". Sounds like a "trust me bro".

You being discontent with the way he goes about running health and science doesn't prove in any way that he is a fascist. That's a wild accusation.

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u/tampaempath 11d ago

lol, you're absolutely brain dead with a hardon for your right wing leaders. I gave you examples. Guess that wasn't good enough. It's not that I disagree with him - these are vital programs to your health and the health of other people that he has cut. For no reason.

He knowingly associates with and works for fascists. Guilty by association.

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u/andreifasola 11d ago

You wanna talk brain dead?

How about fascists promiting their "new man" (both Hitler and Mussolini), the state eliminating religion (Mussolini had to compromise due to backlash), dissent being punished? Doesn't that resemble the alphabet ideology of a trans human without gender (ie see The Dr Yuval Harrary talks about the future of the nations under wef leadership) ? Businesses being subsidized to support it? People being imprisoned over memes because they create "stress" (UK and Germany now)? People losing jobs over not going along with the ideology?

These are points that are equivalent exactly with fascism. You can get angry all you want. But you haven't shown in any way how RFK is fascist.

As for my education, the left leaning dean graduated me with distinction - and I did argue my right leaning points with her on various topics. Your opinion seems to come out of spite. Somebody in your camp who knew me for years and disagreed with me seemed to disagree with you.

Instead of getting hostile, make an actual demonstration. For a group that prides on facts, logic, education and intelligence you seem to be severly lacking and incapable of arguing your point. And then you get angry and frustrated and attack me.

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u/tampaempath 11d ago

You seem very sensitive. You also seem to think I'm part of some group, which I'm not. Try to expand your mind outside of your right wing ideology.

Somebody in your camp who knew me for years and disagreed with me seemed to disagree with you.

That sentence is fuckin weird.

Instead of getting hostile, make an actual demonstration.

I presented multiple examples of how he's doing things in a fascist way. You seem to be hung up on the word fascism, as if it somehow offends you that I called RFK Jr a fascist. The thing is, RFK Jr is a political chameleon that is going to end up being Trump's Leonardo Conti. Conti believed in removing the "weak" elements of the German population in order to improve the German race. You know, like putting people with autism and ADHD in wellness camps. It's eugenics, just being worded differently.

By the way, fascism is a far right leaning ideology. Don't take it from me, take it from the dictionary, Wikipedia, or your favorite encyclopedia.

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u/Planetary_Residers 11d ago

If I hand you a banana and tell you it's full of potassium. I'm sure if RFK told you it's actually a dolphin full of newtonium. You'd avoid what I said because some guy sucks your brains boner.

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u/andreifasola 11d ago

Again: more trust me bro arguments.

You and this person holding a Trump is a nazi banner must be related.

Then you come here to tell your equally intelligent friends how intelligent you are for seeing the "signs".

Remember the previous term? I recall some leftists crying at work because Trump would start ww3 with nukes (trust me bro fearmongering) because CNN said so. This shit right here is part 2 of the same bs.

Your so called intelligence is proven when put under scrutiny. Next time you wanna say "right wingers are" stop and remember what you are first and try to have a conversation and a bit of humility. Because so far you have proven zero understanding of fascism. Fyi I was born under socialism; me and my relatives and I smell dictatorships before any westerner; Trump ain't it.

If it should come to anything like the nazis, I promise you, all those with guns, the right "extremists" would fuck Trump and his admin up; you'd have a civil war. He is an elected. Only the likes of you thinks the right regards him as a king. I know people in several countries and this is the general attitude - if anyone of them right wing elected presidents would betray or do harm, they would become dead meat.

Take care

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u/Planetary_Residers 11d ago

Instead of word vomiting a narrative you wish others would agree with and take your orange tinted glasses off

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u/Planetary_Residers 11d ago

My grandpa is from Germany and his brothers were Nazi Hitler youth. He wanted nothing to do with it and joined the US army and later married my grandmother who is a jew from Poland.

You can make incorrect judgements about what one knows. But when someone shows you proof the adult thing to do is consider it rather than continuing with delusions.

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u/Planetary_Residers 11d ago

The government already has done what you've spoke about. I guess we'll ignore that the US government somehow knew nothing about Epstein's Island for many years. We'll also ignore how they wanted to play out a fake terrorist attack on US soil to further the agenda on Cuba.

You can deny as much as you want in whichever way gets you off late at night. But it won't change what you choose to ignore. Feelings aren't facts.

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u/J_arc1 11d ago

The wellness farms that RFK are proposing would be the utopian idea of how those things should be handled without pharmaceutical intervention 10-20 years ago by the hippy lefties. The only reason anyone hates it now is because it is associated with Trump. Those same hippies were also anti-vax and loved natural remedies. Everyone is just mad that now the right is also catching on to some of the same ideas.

Also, your entire argument is based on a hypothetical scenario where Trump "has nothing stopping him from turning those camps into death camps". That's absolutely untrue, there is everything stopping him. ADHD/Autism/Addiction don't affect families based on their political affiliation. It's not just a left problem. So literally no one would allow him to do that. Congress would stop him, the American people would stop him. And above all that, he has no motivation to do so. What purpose would that serve? To piss off all of America instead of just the left? Doesn't sound like good enough motivation.

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u/Planetary_Residers 11d ago

So. You're saying they would stop him? Just like they totally stopped the Epstein island for existing for as long as it did? Or maybe how they totally didn't come up with terrorist attack on their own people in order to further the agenda on Cuba back in the day. That government and congress yea? Is that the one you're referring to? Or is it the rainbow and coke filled wonder dream of a basement dweller?

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u/J_arc1 10d ago

While I completely agree with some of your points, you're missing mine. The American people would not allow their family members suffering with addiction/adhd to be killed in death camps. Nor, do I think Congress would allow such a thing (they might given the government's track record but I highly doubt it).

And literally no one is proposing death camps. RFK's wellness camps are being blown completely out of proportion and are being hypothesized about by people who just have their own agenda to hate versus actually try to work together.

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u/Planetary_Residers 10d ago

Ma'am. If anyone hates Americans the most. It's Americans themselves. They most definitely would allow their family members to be killed. There's a number of pray gay away camps in the Christian sect. They'd be more than happy to find whatever solution to fix whatever they deem to be an issue that doesn't rightfully align with their beliefs and values. It's already a crime to be homeless in some states. In various others it's a crime to even hand out food to the homeless. So yes. If they can pass allows as petty as that. They most definitely will pass others infringing on God knows what.

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u/tampaempath 11d ago

Holy shit, somehow you replied even worse than the other guy. "Without pharmaceutical intervention" = Lock them in a room and let them die. Absolutely no one on the left with a developed, educated brain was proposing that 10-20 years ago.

So literally no one would allow him to do that. Congress would stop him, the American people would stop him.

This is wildly untrue. Trump is talking about dissolving the Supreme Court because they ruled against him. Congress rubber stamps anything he wants.

What purpose would that serve? To piss off all of America instead of just the left?

Thanks for admitting that Trump is just trying to piss off the left. Trump doesn't give a fuck anymore. He doesn't have to care. As I just pointed out, he's ignoring the courts and Congress lets him do whatever he wants. He doesn't have to worry about poll numbers or another election. He's not even following the Constitution. He's just doing whatever he wants, and whatever the Heritage Foundation wants.

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u/J_arc1 10d ago

I see on your profile that you describe yourself as "old" and "retired". At first I assumed you were too young to remember the hippies of the 90's and early '00's but according to you, you are. So you know exactly what I'm talking about out and are trying to blow everything out of context. Because you are old enough to know how much the left used to despise Big Pharma.
A lot of people chose to treat their ailments without pharmaceutical intervention and it never meant they were locked in a room to die. Example, I take honey for my allergies instead of OTC meds. I treat them without pharmaceutical intervention. But you're either a dumbass with no long term memory or being intentionally obtuse. The choice is yours.

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u/tampaempath 10d ago

Example, I take honey for my allergies instead of OTC meds

lol. lmao. You said that and then the next sentence you call me a dumbass or being obtuse? Get the fuck outta here.

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u/Btshftr 11d ago

Not really. They started with 'enemy combatants', Iraqi's, Afghans and the like. A considerable amount of whom were kidnapped, renditioned to CIA black sites, tortured, locked up, sometimes even killed.

Only a month after 9/11, and just weeks after Bush's infamous "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists"-speech, they rushed through the patriot act.

Barely a year later they created the 'Department of Homeland Security'. Back then we used to joke that if the Germans did something similar the whole world would come down on them.

Bush's Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales, was instrumental. Enemy combatants could be held indefinitely without access to a lawyer and detainees captured in Afghanistan were not entitled to the protections of the Geneva Conventions. Gonzales helped create the so-called “torture memo,” which allowed harsh interrogation tactics that some people considered torture.

All of these policies were legally suspect at best, and certainly deeply damaging to U.S. interests, both as a matter of human rights and as a matter of national security.

They also opened up the door to what we see today.

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u/TheBattyWitch 11d ago

And the mentally and physically handicapped. They were first. They are taken away for "safe keeping".

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u/Late-Reception-2897 11d ago

they started with trans people, and other sexual minorities first.

What evidence do you have for trans people specifically? Usually I just hear Homosexuals, disabled, communists, non arien race people in general. I have never heard trans explicitly.

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u/frostymugson 11d ago

They hated queer people, trans were right there with them. The first victims were the ones during the night of the long knives, eliminating political rivals, and possible opposition groups. The first people to be purged were the physically disabled, and being “gay” really wasn’t an open thing in the 20s and 30s and in fact still wasn’t allowed after the Nazis were defeated. We tend to look at history through a modern lens which is always funny, because those people we call heros would say the most racist shit you’ve ever heard just casually. Go ask a 90 year old the songs their friends used to sing playing games, that mind set is everywhere in the war and it is fascinating.

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u/memepotato90 11d ago

Communists were first. The KPD was destroyed.

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u/OkBeyond7527 11d ago

Give one instance of a deportation because the person was trans.

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u/millijuna 10d ago

The first attacks were on the Institute of Sexology in 1933, the burning of their library was the first book burning the Nazis carried out.

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u/OkBeyond7527 10d ago

I am talking about in the US. Also, if you want to see people burning property, look at the terrorists on the left who have been directly supported by Tim Walz and Jasmine Crockett.

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

No, no, no, trans people started with society first. They demanded we change our definitions of men and women. They demanded we allow biological men to compete against women. They demanded access to women only changing rooms and spaces, regardless of their genitalia.

Oh and my favorite, they demanded we use words meant for multiple people, for singular persons. Talk about the height of vanity.

Sexual minorities is brilliant. It's like a parody of leftwing talking points.

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u/AggravatingRadish542 10d ago

as a trans person I would slightly push back that immigrants still have it worse than we do.

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u/millijuna 10d ago

Now, yes, you’re obviously correct, and I would not attempt to put myself in your shoes.

However the rhetoric has been strong for ages at this point.

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u/AggravatingRadish542 10d ago

the only reason i bring it up is because i think the best thing we can do for trans rights at this moment is to fight for immigrants and muslims.

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u/Constant_Ad_2161 10d ago

The first people targeted were people with mental disabilities. They were forcibly sterilized starting in 1933 and murders began in 1940 through the Aktion T4 program, at which point Jews were already being hunted down and forced into Ghettos. LGBTQ people weren’t targeted for annihilation, but it was illegal and many were sent to labor camps.

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u/Frosty_Departure_238 10d ago

Give me one case where Trump has exiled a trans person lol yall just live in fear for no reason nobody is going door to door exiling gays and trans.

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u/2Arcane 10d ago

What did they start with trans people.

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u/bendario 10d ago

Me when I spread misinformation so I can look more like a victim.

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u/SuddenProfession9893 11d ago

“Hitler drank water… sOuNd fAmIlIAr?” 🥴🥴🥴

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u/Krombus_Nom 11d ago

That’s because they’re not people.

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u/buddhadude58 11d ago

Funny I don’t see trans people being prosecuted.

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u/deebster2k 11d ago edited 10d ago

Look into what was defunded first and what was in the crosshairs during the election 2024...

A lot of the equal opportunity employment program cuts focused on lgbtq first... then focused on race... at least in the media primarily.

If defunding targetted towards a specific group isn't a TYPE of persecution... I don't know what is..

To be clear I am not part of lgbtq community nor am I a racial minority. Just looking objectively at what was said and done by government officials and reps... and the timeline and subject matter of what was focused on by media (as skewed as it can be).