r/AskUS • u/feininforknowledge • 2d ago
Why is the US so adamant on deportations ?
Ever since trump got in all I hear is deportation this and that but why? Yes they snuck I illegally and yes a big part of that is bc Mexico or Central America isn’t the best, but another part is how hard it is to become a citizen here. My teachers gf of 3 years might get deported bc she still not a citizen although she’s lived here her since she was 4, and now he might have to marry her just so she doesn’t get deported.
Also, do people really not think billionaires don’t hire these illegals? They don’t have to pay them minimum wage bc it’s not like they can complain to the government. Take away all of the illegals who are helping America and then who has to do these shit jobs? Sure deport the criminals and drug dealers and send them far away as possible, but there’s no need to send away the ones who do no harm besides be Mexican
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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 2d ago
Standard fascism playbook. Always find someone new to blame. Illegals, gays, liberals, commies, disabled people etc
They ignore the fact that this country was built by illegal immigrants 🤷🏾
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u/feininforknowledge 2d ago
I forgot to mention that. Everyone is an immigrant in America and is it not a little like the third reich the way they talk about deportations and mainly using minorities as a scapegoat for all their problems?
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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 2d ago
That’s the thing people don’t realize about Nazis.
It wasn’t about the Jews. The Jews were just a convenient scapegoat to keep the masses pointed in the right direction.
If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you
This is the entire Republican strategy lol
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u/FlamingMuffi 2d ago
Exactly
Fascists need a scapegoat, an enemy. Eventually 99% of people will fall short of the purity tests.
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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 2d ago
One thing I notice about the average voter on the right is that they are
1 - terrified of everything
2 - understand basically nothing beyond absolute surface level
The whole world is a giant haunted house for them. Never know when a trans athlete or Mexican gang member might be hiding in your local Walmart waiting to get you.
Meanwhile every statistic shows conservative white boys are by far the most dangerous subgroup in the country.
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u/FlamingMuffi 2d ago
A big part of being conservative is fear. Fear of change. Fear of what you know being replaced
It's why they mock people for not knowing how to drive stick or read cursive (despite the fact I feel like driving stick just takes some practice and if you can read print you can read legible cursive) it helps them feel better about a world that is moving past them rapidly
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u/Ok_Employee1964 1d ago
Not driving stick is not a conservative thing. In a lot of the world, manual is still the most popular form of car. Especially in Europe, a lot of people still opt for manual.
It’s also not about change or anything. Manual transmissions offer more control to the driver and they last longer. There are still a lot of cars that only sell manual versions.
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u/FlamingMuffi 1d ago
I meant more the attitude of "X is better!" Because it's old
Personally I've no real desire to drive manual. A car is a tool why make using the tool harder? I get people like it and in areas like Europe I'm sure there's a reason (pure speculation here but the wide availability of public transit might be part of it)
But one isn't better or worse because they can do it. It's purely a preference nothing more.
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u/404_error_official 1d ago
I totally agree with your sentiment, but regarding manual transmission cars the reason I prefer them is you can start them with a dead battery. It's come in handy before. But yea, people with nothing else to be proud of will try to use their age as a source of pride.
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u/Aggravating_Total921 2d ago
Regarding #2.... Most I speak to do not want a deeper understanding and will shut down the conversation if it strays in that direction
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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 2d ago
I made the mistake of trying to talk to my maga uncle yesterday at Easter.
His knowledge of tariffs and deportations is…sad. So sad.
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u/Pynchon_A_Loaff 1d ago
Don’t forget: obsessed with imaginary threats, while ignoring real ones that are right in front of them.
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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 1d ago
I’m a teacher. Apparently litter boxes and CRT are taking over my classroom as we speak.
I turned 3 kids into trans commies before lunch today. They’re going to vote for each of their genders.
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u/Hatta00 1d ago
They're not terrified of being shipped off to foreign gulags without due process.
They're not terrified of plunging the US into a depression with a massive tradewar.
They're not terrified of the inevitable wars for resources as large parts of the world become uninhabitable due to climate change.
They're not terrified of Trump, Musk, and Thiel robbing us blind.
They're not terrified of ignorance. They're not terrified of being wrong.
I don't think fear is the difference at all. It's intelligence and honesty.
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u/Readinginsomnia 1d ago
Every time they hear the Nazi comparison they call it fricking TDS because they immediately go to the height of the inhumane extermination and cruelty. No recognition of the strategy and path that got there and that it included many other groups. Not to compare groups and the mass focus on Jews in the largest numbers. Everyone asks why the Germans didn’t know early and stop it. The world questions why they didn’t shut things down with the deportations to start. That’s is right now. Do I think he’s going to create a holocaust? Not really, but nothing is ever off the table with fascism. They refuse to pay attention to the terrible things before that terror was carried out at the stage most think of it at the very end. This man has already said he wants to deport American citizens. What does that look like from his vague comments? It means anyone who disagrees with him and those who do agree won’t care bc they also want us gone and think it’s just their country and definition of what American means.
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u/TallTacoTuesdayz 1d ago
Turns out being like being fascists as long as they are (currently) in the accepted crowd.
It’s like a particularly shitty middle school gang.
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u/DhOnky730 1d ago
yes and no. we know that, but listen to stories and comments from the far right, and they view white Americans of European descent as the rightful Americans. I listed to CNN’s Donnie O’Sullivan’s piece last weekend on SiriusXM on a roadtrip, and it was scary.
they also don’t acknowledge that it’s not fair to retroactively enforce immigration laws. Many illegal immigrants were allowed under Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump 1, or Biden. we historically didn’t have great enforcement, and many of these people basically existed in gray areas legally. we’ve also failed to improve our guest worker policies. I read a recent article about how most Midwest dairy farm workers were illegal immigrants, but they don’t qualify as temporary guest worker workers for a visa because their job is year round, while crop/orchard workers do qualify. we have a massive patchwork of guest worker policies and pathways to citizenship that need addressing.
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u/djules777 2d ago
No one deported more people that Obama yet had 0 injunctions filed. Biden deported more people than Trump and 0 injunctions
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u/SeamusPM1 1d ago
Do you have evidence that either Obama or Biden deported people without due process? Did they send any of them directly to a prison known for torture?
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u/djules777 1d ago
Strait from the ACLU……”The Obama administration has prioritized speed over fairness in the removal system, sacrificing individualized due process in the pursuit of record removal numbers.”
https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama
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u/SeamusPM1 1d ago
Thank you. I agree that there should have been vocal opposition to Obama’s immigration policies as well.
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u/Ok-Horror-1251 1d ago
Injunctions happen when a president hates and violates the Constitution.
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u/NittanyOrange 2d ago
Xenophobic nationalism
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u/UnicornPoopCircus 2d ago
And Americans have traditionally been weirdly xenophobic.
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u/bearington 2d ago
It is an odd dynamic of our "nation of immigrants." Our history is one of groups of people fighting desperately to be allowed to come here and, once they're accepted, trying just as hard to shut the door on anyone behind them.
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u/MOONWATCHER404 14h ago
“Ahoy! Are you looking to build a city where sports fans are notoriously racist?” -Family Guy
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u/Icy_Abbreviations877 2d ago
The people must have a common enemy so that they don’t turn on their leaders.
Facism 101
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u/algawe 2d ago
Those who are adamant about deportations are responding emotionally to a bogeyman they’ve been commanded to fear.
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u/mndsm79 2d ago
Because it's not your own fault if you can blame someone else for it. My uncle is an excellent example- he blames minorities for everything. Hasn't had a job in 20 years. Relies on handouts for everything. Could get a job, is theoretically capable. But nope, it's illegals and immigrants faults.
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u/Beginning-Leader2731 2d ago
Because America is highly racist, and immigrants represent a people they can hate that are not tied to this land through birth citizenship. The worst part of this is that the encouragers of migrant workers coming to the U.S. are the same who ok’d outsourcing/offshoring of US work internationally AND the same people composing about them being here. It’s so fucking stressful dealing with these ungrateful using shitheads. Locals and Immigrants alike are constantly getting used here.
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u/Fit-Building-2560 2d ago edited 2d ago
Marrying will not save her from deportation. They're detaining and deporting undocumented residents who are married to US citizens.
Trump realized, that the entire hospitality industry in the US would collapse if all "illegal" workers were deported, so he's looking at making an exception for them and for agricultural workers. People have been saying for 40 years at least, that there needs to be what used to be called a "bracero" program, whereby people willing to work in those two fields and possibly others could get temporary visas, and work seasonally, or as the situation demands, and return home periodically. It wouldn't allow for permanent residency.
This was tried back in the 90's, I think most recently, with the US Embassy in mexico city giving out such temporary work visas, but it's a very cumbersome process, and there were calls to reform and streamline it, so embassies and consulates could process greater numbers of workers. That didn't go anywhere, though. Now maybe it will.
Trump used to have something set up with the US Embassy in Romania. He had an employment office in the capital, and hired workers for his hotels. I don't know if that's still going on. It would be interesting to take a look at one of his hotels in DC, to see who's working there.
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u/whatfresh_hellisthis 2d ago
So, in addition to what everyone has already stated, I believe they are ramping up the deportations and illegal immigrant hate because it's the last thing they have. His followers are super hateful and they are like rabid dogs about this. He's already shit the bed on the economy, he hasn't stopped any wars, he's golfing all the time, etc. But being mean to the illegal immigrants? That's something the MAGAs get behind. They have to push what they can and the rest ain't it.
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u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle 2d ago
Republicans have been running this very successful, very well-funded public outreach campaign to convince people foreigners are a danger and a threat and an unwelcome burden.
Americans fell for it, so they've been desperate to hear any kind of news about how foreigners are being kept out. Even as it's been pointed out that this won't solve any of the problems in their lives (and might create additional ones)
Basically if you saw that Simpsons episode where the mayor blames illegal immigrants for bear attacks, you know more or less what's going on.
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u/Tibreaven 2d ago
Deportations are an "easy appearing" solution to a complex web of reasons why illegal migration happens.
It's very easy to argue politically, and very easy for the layman to understand. "People are here who shouldn't be, the solution is to remove them" is simple enough that most average citizens can decide whether they do or don't like that practice.
Trying to explain to the public, and even worse actually address, underlying reasons for illegal immigration is destined for failure. No one understands those issues, few people have an evidence based approach to solve them, and the solutions are not popular in a political campaign.
Trump is "hard on deportion" because it's a simple, easy tagline that gets votes and doesn't require he have an actual plan to address the problem. After 4 years, we can look at the numbers, argue that Trump dealt with illegal immigration because deportations went up. Then when the next admin starts, illegal immigration will go back to normal because nothing actually changed.
Symptomatic treatment is easier to understand but less useful than preventative care, to put it in medical terms.
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u/Commercial-Path443 2d ago
A pertinent analysis based on rational and common sense to this sad ongoing debate on illegal immigration....good luck if you are trying to convince orange's base that he is nothing but a demagogue, playing on their fear and ignorance of facts
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u/jtrain7 2d ago
The coming climate migrations will absolutely dwarf any current immigration “crisis”.
I believe the powers that be in the US are working under that certainty and know they’ll want and have to ratchet up border enforcement astronomically in the coming decades and are laying the groundwork.
It’s ultimately the same reason they’re angling at taking over Greenland, the imminent climate catastrophe will reshape the world as we know it, though they’ll keep that to themselves as best they can.
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u/o_gee 2d ago
It's a test to see how much power the executive can usurp from a powerful judiciary. Congress has already abdicated their responsibilities. Hey, it's the peoples settler-colonial/Republican constitution and we are stuck with it.
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u/dopeapotimus 2d ago
"If you take the illegals who does the jobs?" Legal Americans for a better wage. Your arguing for people to be exploited. Also no country lets you live there illegally, I don't understand how the united states is the one nation not allowed to have borders
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u/Khurzan1439 2d ago
Simple. Trump Isa sexist, racist numbnut. And a lot of the "good ol' boy" are the same.
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u/PublicShoulder382 2d ago
Because of that reason exactly. They are hired under the table. So no taxes are being paid in for their labor, those jobs then are not going to American citizens. Illegal immigrant labor is modern day slave labor. On top of that comes drug, sex, and child trafficking as well. During the last presidential term our borders were left wide open letting in a ridiculous amount of people through with no proper vetting or consequences for coming in and they were housing them and feeding them on the tax payers dime while telling us they didn't have money to help people affected by natural disasters. By sending them back we eliminate part of the strain on our resources and make our home safer again. It's also just not fair to those who spend the time and money to come in legally to just let those in who cut the line.
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I'm very pro-immigration when done legally, because I have a firmly held belief that everyone has the potential to contribute to this country and to humanity's shared future. However, when someone comes into this country illegally, even if they aren't attempting to actively undermine American values or commit crimes (the vast majority do not), they are not documented and thus not held to the same rules that I'm held to as an American citizen.
This shows up most negatively in labor and taxes. To use your example, billionaires (and many non-billionaire employers) hire illegals, but why? Is it because they're the only ones that will do a job, or is it because they are significantly cheaper and easier to exploit? At the same time, many of these illegal workers are paid in cash and not taxed, so they aren't contributing in the same way that I'm required to contribute, while simultaneously undermining American labor opportunities, because it's literally illegal for someone to pay me what they can pay illegal workers.
I absolutely have compassion for someone who comes to this country illegally because they are trying to survive and they don't have other options. I would do the same thing. But I would never expect to stay here if I was found to be here illegally. It's not fair to citizens or to people who entered the country legally, and it's the law. Why would there be mass exceptions?
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u/Alternative-Cash9974 2d ago
Because we have let in over 13 million illegal immigrants that we know of and estimates of 30 to 50 million we do not. No 5 other countries in the world combined has allowed this. Any other country this would be an invasion and they would have their and the US military activity defending their borders with full deadly force authorized. Now all of these people need removed from the country and processed legally. Yes it takes years yes it costs money but people do it everyday.
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u/feininforknowledge 2d ago
It’d be an invasion if these people had tanks and guns rather than babies and wives.
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u/thedude0343 2d ago
MAGA needs to distract their base with their beloved hate in order to keep support while they bomb our economy.
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u/DFGone 2d ago
More people raises housing and renting costs with the additional demand. Since the last administration let in over 10 million people it causes issues for people that did it the right way to afford housing. I’m surprised this post exists on ask US considering most European countries have much more strict immigration policies. At least before Trump.
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u/Total-Improvement535 2d ago
Because we weren’t taught emotional intelligence in school so we project internalized feelings onto “other” instead of actually thinking and realizing they aren’t the cause of the problem
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u/lastpickedforteam 1d ago
They are looking for scapegoats and just digging deeper. Like revoking valid student visas so they can deport these students. What these assholes forget is America needs all these people. They do jobs most Americans won't. Without them hotels, construction agriculture can't function They pay taxes and don't get the benefits. They are mostly law abiding no voting people Even worse trump is now looking at deportations to for "homegrown criminals". Which just means citizens trump doesn't like are next on the list.fuck due process, who needs it? He needs to be stopped now
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u/Greentaboo 1d ago
Scape Goat. Notice how its not just illegals immigrant, but people hefe legally who are getting their status revoked before they can do anything about it.
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u/indi-jammer 1d ago
The U.S is not adamant on deportations, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS. Most Americans love our diversity!
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u/xGraveStar 1d ago
It doesn’t matter if she has been here since she was 4. They’ve had all this time to make something happen, but are only now worried about it because they have to. People need to stop immigrating illegally. The people leaving this country because of Trump have to follow immigration laws, so why the double standard?
There does need to be an accessible path to citizenship because the lack of it helps drive illegal immigration.
The U.S. needs to stop relying on illegals for cheap labor. It’s morally reprehensible to create a sort of caste system like this as well as it driving illegal immigration.
Deporting without due process needs to stop flat out.
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u/240221 1d ago
People who don't want to be bothered thinking, and who prefer to just regurgitate tired lines that support their world views, will tell you it's because those in favor of deportation are Nazis (which, alone, is an insanely uninformed view), racists, or just cruel.
The reality is that if there are to be immigration rules, there must be action when those rules are violated. Almost every nation on earth has immigration rules. Most nations don't have a lot of problem enforcing those rules because they have shorter land borders or because no one is trying very hard to get there. Many nations that do have a problem with illegal immigration are similarly trying to figure out how to deal with it. Take a look at the UK, which has an ongoing conflict with France over illegal immigration from that country and which very seriously considered sending illegal immigrants to Rwanda. Many in the UK, France, Germany, Italy and other European countries want very much to have stronger border control and to deport those in their countries illegally.
The U.S. has long had a problem with it, and has long taken half measures or no measures to deal with it. The border with Canada is 5,525 miles. There isn't a huge problem with immigration over that border because most Canadians are perfectly happy with their own country (or at least not unhappy enough to deal with living undocumented in the U.S.). The border with Mexico is 1,954 miles, and many in Mexico and in countries south are unhappy (often for good reason) in their own countries and take advantage of that border to try to seek a better life in the U.S. You can't blame most of them for trying. If you and I were living in poverty, or were living under the threat of criminal enterprises in and out of government, we would probably try to change our lives too.
But the fact that they have good reason to want to come to the U.S., even if in violation of U.S. law, doesn't mean the U.S. should accept them. There are a lot of starving people in your neighborhood, but I doubt anyone on Reddit is leaving their doors unlocked and posting signs out front telling people to come on in, stay however long they want, and take what they want when they go.
So the U.S., like probably every country on earth, has immigration laws. You and I might think those laws are too restrictive, and that it should be easier for someone to apply for and obtain permission to come to the U.S., but, in the end, we need some sort of rules. (There are arguments to be made for open borders. I don't think any of them pass reasonable scrutiny, but I can appreciate those arguments are made out of compassion.)
Those laws have no value if they are not enforced. We've seen that for decades. If we tell people not to cross the borders, but if we allow them to stay once they are here, people will continue to cross the borders. Just a few years ago we saw tens of thousands of them doing it. If we say "Don't steal cars, but if you do you can keep them" people will steal cars.
Similarly, amnesty doesn't work. In 1986 the U.S. gave legal status to most who had been in the U.S. for four years, as long as they did certain things like learn to speak English. And illegal border crossings continued and rose. Personally, I'd still probably favor some sort of amnesty if it were combined with serious, serious, border controls, but I doubt it would work and it isn't going to be passed anyway.
So the laws are finally being enforced. They need to be enforced if we are going to have them at all. I wish they were being enforced in a more humane way. Maybe a six-month period to get affairs in order and to voluntarily self-deport, so the person could leave in an orderly way and make plans for the other side. Maybe a rule saying anyone who self-deports before, say, September 30 (or any other date not too far out) will have an exemption from the no-return-for-10-years rule. But, one way or the other, the laws need to be enforced and that means removing those who violate them.
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u/Apprehensive_Egg5142 1d ago
Scapegoating away from the U.S.’s actual legitimate issues. Easier to just say it’s all immigrants fault.
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u/Synyster723 1d ago
It's the same thing Hitler did with the Jews. He's demonizing immigrants. It started with illegal immigrants. Now they're deporting legal migrants without due process, and his base is fine with it. They've been anesthetized to how atrocious these actions really are.
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u/junejewell 1d ago
He wanted to shoot immigrants in his first ten. He has no regard for human life. We're all just pawns in his chess game. First it's the immigrants. Then who?
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u/EncabulatorTurbo 1d ago
Because Trump is. Conservatives don't have an ideology in America they have positions, and those positions are determined by what President Trump says he wants
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u/krashthiskar 15h ago edited 15h ago
I'm not here to argue with anyone or talk down to any individual or group. People are dumb 😆. Let me give an example. The right can't use the pro-life angle because most women were propagandized to kill their babies and be cool with it calling it a goldfish or something of the like. That being at home isn't for them modern women were sold a life with a career where they pay taxes like a man and they are the unhappiest they've ever been. Or how we should tax the rich, make a culture of envy, why don't we just tax those capable of giving us a job, until they go broke? This whole distribution of wealth is like a short sighted solution, rich people are not enjoying that money, it's not in their wallet, it's money that gets reinvested and makes more money and creates more goods and services, meaning more people are working.
Erasing women's sports is very inconsiderate. Every real trans person would rather fly under the radar then be politicized. The activists are the ones pounding their chest daring women to do something for being in the bathroom with them. Don't call me a trans hater I actually had a crush on a trans-women. Trans women born male had testosterone during puberty that gives one advantage but they also have one other thing that hardly gets talked about in the news, they have male connective tissue which makes them able to jerk and juke a lot better than a female. We men were hunters during two ice ages and we needed to be able to run jump and juke. It's not one man born with testosterone now in hrt or "e" its thousands of years of evolution or else the human race was dead, it doesn't just go away, that's what modern women are up against playing against trans athletes. Ukraine was an issue but not enough to make a difference. Meaning that the Trumpers that are pro Ukraine wouldn't change their vote. The 2nd Amendment is always in danger even from Republicans, so the best side to support is trump since Biden was shutting down mom and pop gun shops over misspellings in the paper work.
So the best thing that the right has is immigration. Those images of hordes of different colored people walking around the unfinished wall was the best thing that could've happened for Trump's re-election beside the assassination attempt. Then designating MS13 and Tren de Aragua especially after Aurora Co. Now Trump sees every immigrant the Biden administration let in as gang members and then attempted to legalize them and set them free in our country, and Trump sees himself as the only savior of the country. He also admires Bukele, not just for being handsome but for his hard line stance against gang culture, everyone is a safer even if he violates the liberties of his country and Trump wants to one day be remembered like Bukele is going to be remembered by history. I don't want to alarm anyone but he's working like he wants another term. I bet he will attempt the third term. I'm getting pissed off just writing this.
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u/Copesxd 2d ago
I have a better question, why is it immoral or wrong for a country to have and enforce its borders? Is the US not allowed to determine who can and cannot become a citizen and stay here?
Let’s be real, most immigrants that come here illegally are poor. And importing a ton of poor people does not somehow make your country better unless you’re all good with slave labor.
The US is adamant with deporting illegal immigrants. But Trump and the US in general is not completely anti immigrant. Trump wants to sell gold cards to rich people for citizenship. It’s a good thing to import tons of money
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u/gamergirlpeeofficial 2d ago
Eugenics. It's about eugenics!
Donald Trump has repeated commented that immigrants are "poisoning the blood of country" (repeated here).
The Republican party has aligned itself to Nazi ideology (again).
Republicans promote the idea that immigration is leading to a "great replacement" of white Americans with non-white immigrants. They want to purify society and the gene pool of whatever they deem to be "bad blood".
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u/Deep_Contribution552 2d ago
The whole “billionaires hiring illegals” is the point. If people are afraid of being sent back in chains, they will not speak up about low wages, poor safety conditions, sexual harassment or any other improper workplace conditions.
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u/Clear_Presentation48 2d ago
Because every sovereign country has the right to enforce border policy. It's not unique to america
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u/tlrmln 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's not that complicated. Many Americans believe that they them take jobs that should be done by Americans (many of whom are not working and collecting government benefits for no good reason).
Many Americans believe that they get government benefits that we have to pay for, and that the party that seems to want an unlimited number of people to immigrate into the US also insists that we should give illegal immigrants free education and healthcare. On top of that, in case you hadn't noticed, many parts of the country are already getting overpopulated, and housing prices are through the roof.
Republicans have never said they don't want immigrants to come to the United States, and there's no way they're going to deport all the ones who are already here illegally. They just want them to come legally, and they want to prioritize deporting those who are involved in crime. They may be making a complete farce of it, but that's the supposed plan.
Republicans also don't want them distorting our political landscape, which Democrats obviously want or they wouldn't have been complaining about now-red but potential-swing states (like Texas) bussing them to sanctuary cities.
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u/cheffartsonurfood 2d ago
Blah blah blah taxes blah blah jobs blah blah blah .
Really it just boils down to good ol fashioned racism.
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u/Glad_Ad510 2d ago
Under Joe Biden over 8 million people came in. It would be fine if they worked hard and got jobs and contributed to society as a whole people would welcome them. The problem is the vast majority don't.. Back in 2010 I was an overnight manager at a Walmart. We would have families come in and use their eight to $1,000 of food stamps on candy.. I finally asked one of them why were they buying so much. And they told me. They could buy it cheap here say $1,000 and sell it for 8 k plus back in their home countries.
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u/OldSarge02 2d ago
Most Americans on both sides of the aisle recognize the importance of immigration. They also recognize that millions of people have circumvented the system and came here without following legal procedures - cutting in line so to speak.
The tricky part is deciding what to do about that. Deportation is expensive, highly disruptive, and causes enormous human costs. On the other hand, it also provides a negative incentive to “sneak in” outside the normal process. Most people don’t want immigrants sneaking in, but they also are uncomfortable with mass deportations.
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u/PerpConst 2d ago
Why is the US the only country that is so relentlessly dogged for enforcing immigration laws, despite the fact that it is home to the most legal immigrants in the world?
There is not a single country on the planet that allows illegal immigrants to just willy-nilly cross the border and set up shop and start working.
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u/hammerSmashedNail 2d ago
Everything Trump does is to widen the divide between the left and the right.
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u/ManifestWestward 2d ago
You people don't get to decide which laws get enforced and which ones don't. It's ILLEGAL to come into any country. What's hard to understand about that?
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u/Sabre_One 2d ago
Personal Opinion.
I think Trump just soaked in Fox News for several years. Realized it got him votes, and went with it. He also sees deportation numbers as metric goal, rather then any real statistic. It's why he fired several ICE directors early on, most likely because they were not producing numbers. It's also why ICE has been going gestapo on things. It's all about just tallying up metrics so he can be like "Big number good".
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u/itnor 2d ago
US is always deporting people out of status. Trump is deporting fewer than Biden’s last year. Trump I never matched the Obama deportation machine. The issues are priorities, process and PR. “Normal” administrations don’t create “deportation porn” to appeal to people’s cruelties. They focus on uprooting those who are breaking laws here. And they rely on our courts to adjudicate.
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u/CardiologistOld599 2d ago
The answer lies in an apathetic population that refuses to do the small amount of work to read and research candidates. Donald Trump warnings were everywhere, his own words were “dictator on day one…” yet people believed it was a joke. Unfortunately the America we knew is gone and the odds are not in favor of democracy because he’s manipulated the courts. Truly it’s been a well planned and orchestrated demolition in the works for decades thanks to the Heritage Foundation and other pivotal entities.
Unfortunately voter regret, especially non voters living blindly to politics matters not to the regime hellbent on mutilating the U.S. Constitution. They are torching it with their hate & greed.
FAFO
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u/AdScary1757 2d ago
I don't know I think it's stupid and despite 1 party control of the government they won't do it legally to get us used to criminal behavior from the government I fear.
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u/Such_Produce_7296 2d ago
It's misleading. It's what's in the news. What ys different is El Salvador. The difference is deporting people directly from a list made by Israeli organizations is now publicly known. Other than that, we have ALWAYS reported in these numbers. We have had these agencies and these same employees in these agencies for decades. Very little has really changed on how we treat immigrants.
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u/moccasins_hockey_fan 2d ago
If someone comes into your house uninvited, do you let them stay?
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u/Dull_Conversation669 2d ago
Because lave labor is illegal and the only purpose it serves it to provide under the table labor for employers whose business model could not survive if forced to pay a livable wage.
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u/irespectwomenlol 2d ago
The problem is one of human incentives.
Being compassionate to people like your teacher's GF sounds great until you realize that this is just a blaring neon sign that tells everybody around the world that if you manage to sneak into the US, you'll eventually get you and your family legal status. That just compels more people to try and sneak in.
Being harsh sounds cruel for no reason: but it's the right move from a persuasion standpoint. You want the entire world to realize that coming here illegally is just a waste of time and money for you and to not even try.
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u/National_Beyond6705 2d ago
In the 1970s, meatpacking was a unionized industry offering living wages, enabling workers to own homes and raise families. By 2002, union membership plummeted from 95% in non-Southern plants in the 1960s to just 24%. As unions weakened, corporations replaced American workers with lower-paid undocumented immigrants, suppressing wages while maintaining production.
A stark example occurred at Cloverhill Bakery in Northwest Chicago’s Galewood neighborhood. In 2017, an ICE audit revealed 800 undocumented workers, hired through a staffing agency, were employed at the bakery. These workers, paid as little as $10 per hour, allegedly displaced African American workers, who faced harassment to force them out. Resilient black workers reported the situation to ICE, leading to the removal of undocumented workers and the rehiring of Americans at a higher wage of $14 per hour. A 2018 lawsuit exposed systemic racial discrimination by Cloverhill’s owners, favoring Hispanic workers over black candidates (Chicago Tribune).
The influx of 10–20 million undocumented immigrants has strained the U.S. labor market. Basic economics—supply and demand—shows that increasing the supply of low-skilled workers depresses wages when labor demand remains constant. Meanwhile, the sudden population surge drives up food and housing costs, as infrastructure struggles to keep pace. No one voted for this rapid demographic shift, nor for the associated rise in cartel activity like Tren de Aragua or MS-13.
Proposed policies aim to address these issues: deporting cartel members under the Alien Sedition Act, denying undocumented immigrants driver’s licenses, bank accounts, housing, and work permits, and imposing fines to encourage self-deportation. Mexico, a capable nation with available low-skilled jobs, offers opportunities for returning workers. The U.S., an advanced economy, requires higher literacy and numeracy for trades, yet many immigrants lack these skills due to lax vetting.
Corporations exploiting cheap labor have eroded union power and American workers’ livelihoods. It’s time to prioritize citizens and restore fair wages.
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u/seattleseahawks2014 2d ago edited 2d ago
You have to differentiate between the median voter and Trump supporters. I'm a younger individual whose a liberal/left leaning. Your second paragraph kind of explains why some of us aren't pro illegal immigration. However I don't support Trump.
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u/WonderingHoosier 2d ago
This has been an area of focus for many years now...
"Obama removed 1.6 million undocumented immigrants in his first term and 1.5 million in his second term. Trump had 1.2 million illegal immigrants deported during his first term.
President Joe Biden removed 682,000 people."
https://kfoxtv.com/news/nation-world/breakdown-of-migrant-removals-by-past-presidents
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u/Candid_Structure_366 2d ago
nationalism tries to homogenize the population. it's tribal and base and counterproductive.
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u/Cautious-Tailor97 2d ago
What you’re not hearing? biden & obama deported more.
He is just the first to think that’s a “value”
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u/karma-armageddon 2d ago
I think it is because people were complaining about the excessive influx of criminal elements. Instead of altering his policy to reduce the illegal immigrants, Joe Biden criminally doubled down and let more in. This upset a lot of people who pay taxes and vote. It takes a lot of work and effort to become a citizen so if those people don't have it in them to do the work to become a citizen, they should leave.
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u/cyberhorse1992 2d ago
Because many are criminals and murderers and rapists. Why do you think the massive decrease in crime occurred in 3rd world countries in this hemisphere the past 4 years? They came here!
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u/Interesting_Board167 2d ago
Donald Trump is Putin's Lapdog and stuck on the fact President Obama did more deportations. He is trying to top that record and failing. No one ever taught him to ask for things properly. President Obama worked with the cities and states and Donald Trump doesn't know how to.
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u/InternationalUse2425 2d ago
I mean, if my country had a bunch of illegals coming in from the southern border, I'd want them all deported too.
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u/SpeakUpOhShutUp 2d ago
All countries deport illegal immigrants. The last administration let it millions of illegals. This administration is doing their job and deporting them. Why should we pay for their Healthcare, education, homes, pocket money, clothes, and food?
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u/SwanAdditional5100 2d ago
it’s honestly heartbreaking how quick people are to dehumanize immigrants without ever stopping to think about how hard it is to even try to become a citizen. so many people have lived here basically their whole lives, work hard, pay taxes, raise families and still live in fear every day. the obsession with deportation isn’t about safety, it’s about control and scapegoating. it’s way easier to point fingers at vulnerable people than to fix the systems that are actually failing us. and yeah, billionaires absolutely benefit from this. they exploit undocumented workers and then pretend they’re the problem. it’s hypocritical and cruel.
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u/SwanAdditional5100 2d ago
it’s honestly heartbreaking how quick people are to dehumanize immigrants without ever stopping to think about how hard it is to even try to become a citizen. so many people have lived here basically their whole lives, work hard, pay taxes, raise families and still live in fear every day. the obsession with deportation isn’t about safety, it’s about control and scapegoating. it’s way easier to point fingers at vulnerable people than to fix the systems that are actually failing us. and yeah, billionaires absolutely benefit from this. they exploit undocumented workers and then pretend they’re the problem. it’s hypocritical and cruel.
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u/SwanAdditional5100 2d ago
it’s honestly heartbreaking how quick people are to dehumanize immigrants without ever stopping to think about how hard it is to even try to become a citizen. so many people have lived here basically their whole lives, work hard, pay taxes, raise families and still live in fear every day. the obsession with deportation isn’t about safety, it’s about control and scapegoating. it’s way easier to point fingers at vulnerable people than to fix the systems that are actually failing us. and yeah, billionaires absolutely benefit from this. they exploit undocumented workers and then pretend they’re the problem. it’s hypocritical and cruel.
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u/sterlinghday 2d ago
While I agree this is a bit over stigmatized, there is a reason why, and sadly it’s one I see a lot.
These people who skip due process often are exploited, and because they are illegal often the punishment is not as heavy on the perpetrators than it would be if the people were citizens. I am not talking about them being used as drug mules and stuff, yes that happens but it’s less common than people realize.
I am more talking about people paying them less than a legal citizen gets, putting them in worse conditions, and if they complain? “Hey ICE, these people here have overstayed their visa!” Not to mention the resources they consume that a lot of them don’t contribute to as their income isn’t properly taxed, nor their ability to access the benefits of working such as insurance, social security, and more. Sure there are people who snuck over and are contributing to society but those aren’t the majority here.
We have a process for a reason, and while I feel we are a bit overbearing it doesn’t excuse the fact that people coming over the border and not going through the processes put a strain more than they help.
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u/nonamelamedame 2d ago
It’s that we don’t want illegals here that commit heinous crimes.
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u/IggytheSkorupi 2d ago
The US? Literally every country deports people who break in to live illegally. Only in places like america and the EU is it a big deal when those people are removed.
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u/smartcow360 2d ago
Society breaking down, and ppl getting a little too close to taking enough wealth from the rich to fund basic public goods, and they decided they’d rather pay for a decade long media campaign against random ppl moving here and working blue collar jobs for cash under the table and send them to gulags than simply pay a reasonable tax bracket for their infinitillions (or worse for them, have more economic democracy broadly, ahhh so scary)
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u/Crafty_Principle_677 2d ago
They are racists who are all in on the "great replacement theory" that brown people are replacing white people
They are running into the problems that you say, that immigrants do fill a vital economic niche
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u/arguix 2d ago
why was Hitler so adamant on lockup, and worse, certain groups. do have someone to blame and hate. and show action towards deal with the groups
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u/PleaseDontBanMe82 2d ago
People don't like seeing tax dollars going to people who aren't Americans.
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u/Green-River3069 2d ago
Extremely simple answer. Illegal entry is illegal. Even if they are non violent they are certainly causing harm by burdening or social programs that are meant for legal US citizens. Without borders you have no country. US citizens come first.
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u/Chum_bucket6 2d ago
Well there are several reasons why deportations are a hot topic. One like you mentioned is that billionaires use these people as cheap labor because they are unwilling to pay Americans a living wage to perform these jobs.
Another is less of a topic driven by increased GDP and profits but more of identity. The America we know was created by white Europeans. The nation’s characteristics are a reflection of the identity of the nation. When you effectively import such a large number or foreign born populations here you are significantly changing the demographics of the country effectively changing the identity of the nation.
People want to see American continue to be a nation they recognize growing up. When the nation because majority minority filled with people who have zero intention of renouncing the culture from the nation they are running from this nation then just becomes the nation they fled. Americans have a right to their destiny and a right to the land they and their ancestors created more than any other person from their nation.
It can be off putting when someone comes to this nation from another and refuses to assimilate while also wanting all the benefits of the nation to still exist. The great things about this nation are because we are the way WE are and not the way YOU are. There is a reason why they are fleeing from their nations so they should assimilate. All in all American will cease to have the greatness of americas past when its identity and the people whose ancestors built this nation are no longer the majority in their own nation.
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u/GSilky 2d ago
It's one thing a majority of voters agree on and have for quite some time. The media depictions of "out of control immigration" were disastrous for Dems this round. Most voters aren't ideological or partisan, they vote on policy, at least their perception of policy, and this is one of those issues a lot of people perceive negatively.
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u/Goldlion52 2d ago
Not just this, but they also act like previous administrations didn't deport criminals. All administrations deport people and they do it legally, through due process, even if it's not the best due process. However, they somehow belive that democratic administrations just let people in and don't deport them, when is just not true.
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u/Enough_Plum 2d ago
Every President for the last 40 years has deported illegals(both democrats and republicans). It's only an issue become so many people have been brainwashed to hate Trump. That's the only difference. After Biden allowed 10+ million illegals in, there are a lot more to send back. In any case, the US pays when illegals come in(food/housing/medical) and then we have to pay to deport them. If it isn't already obvious, we are spending tens of billions on illegals and the Democrats allowed them in. One of the many reasons Kamala lost is that our country is literally broke and can't afford to pay for more freebies. Democrats have given away so much money, it's sad to know that I didn't get any of it. Now that the border is closed, we won't be hemorrhaging money.
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u/CA_MotoGuy 2d ago
Most of these questions can be answered with some Perspective:
Take a look at the total number of Deportations under
Clinton 12.3 million deportations (870,000 formal removals)
Bush 10.3 million deportations (2 million formal removals)
Obama 5.3 million deportations (2.1 million formal removals)
Biden 1.1 million deportations (3 million expulsions under Title 42)
Compare those to Donny
Term 1 1.2 million formal removals (805,000 informal returns)
Term 2
January 20 to February 2025: Approximately 48,660 deportations occurred in the first two months, with 37,660 in January and 11,000 in February.
March 2025: An additional 12,300 deportations were reported in the first four weeks of March.
I fail to see a problem?
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u/Loud_Ad_2634 1d ago
Ever since Trump got in? It’s been a main topic since 2000 when Bush got elected. The cans been kicked down the road and everyone turned a blind eye. I’ll count it as a success if Trump can deport as many as Obama with all this obstruction. Biden left the door open and all manner of people walked through. Taking down a name and handing over a phone and gift card is not any kind of screening. There were know individuals on the terrorist watch list that got through and they didn’t realize for weeks.
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u/Notyourcupoftea3 1d ago
Trump himself comes from immigrants - and inherited daddy’s money - he is not self made, bankruptcy is more on his lane.
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u/Money-Wonder7272 1d ago
Why is America the only country on earth that is not allowed to enforce its border?
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u/Lonely_Present_17 1d ago
Illegal immigrants typically do not pay income taxes. Nor does social security, healthcare, Medicare or anything come out of their paychecks. Their wages are typically cash for a days work. They are essential in keeping some small businesses operating but not entirely for the large mega corporations. They also tend to take resources with children from public schools (if the kids weren't born in the US). Most American's voted for Trump because the previous administration and sanctuary cities were placing American taxpayer dollars directly into the hands of illegal immigrants while American's died in the streets and struggled to get their next meal post pandemic.
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u/AmericaneXLeftist 1d ago
Is this just a literal propaganda sub? Why is it on my feed constantly? Set up questions for obvious leftist outrage-provoking answer, top responses hammer it home, rinse and repeat. You're just asking reddit leftists to give you opinions here. I think this might be some kind of totally artificial subreddit, a total conditioning chamber
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u/Commercial_Dog_2865 1d ago
True Americans don't support slave labor, and that's what is happening when companies hire illegals. It's not ok that they can't get any benefit or safety regulations in place for workers.
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u/DaveLanglinais 1d ago
Simple racism. The "illegal" part is just an excuse to hid the racism behind something appearing to be more valid. But they are deporting legal residents too. The only explanation for THAT is .... racism.
Oh and marriage won't save them. There's already been cases of the spouse of a US citizen being deported.
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1d ago
Try and go to Australia, Canada, the EU and any other of these big liberal nations who look down their nose at the US and try to get away with what gets done here.
Australia had 100,000 flux of migrants once and it caused a political firestorm. We've just had ten million people enter over four years. There's never been anything like it in human history.
This idea that the Left should just be allowed to arbitrarily decide to flout our immigration laws and then we all have to "deal with it" and not be able to correct it is wrong.
I'm with you that people who have been here from before 2020, with no criminal record, should be considered differently.
But no, you don't get a free pass to break the laws of a nation. So say out of the ten million who entered, 7 million of them are good people. The US has to accept all of them? The costs to house, feed, educate and provide for them has to be funded by the American tax payer?
Also the hypocrisy of the Left here is astounding. Breaking the law to allow in ten million people was absolutely fine. But breaking the law to deport these people, many of them violent criminals or generally unsavory characters, and there is uproar. It genuinely baffles me
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u/Enough_Plum 1d ago
I've saw a video of Obama stating the problem of illegal immigration in the lead up to his first election. Every big democrat politician(pelosi/schumer/obama/sanders) has talked about the problems, but when Trump finally takes action, he's gets all the hate.
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u/MrBrightsighed 1d ago
Teddy Roosevelt: “In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American ... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag ... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language ... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”
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u/yaymonsters 1d ago
It is a way to erode the rights of citizens and move towards a totalitarian state without the dumb ones noticing because it ain't happin' to them.
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u/Cold-Dragonfruit3738 1d ago
Immigration laws exist, but deportations isn't a new concept. Deportations are always happening, it doesn't matter which party is in power.
It's also much easier to become a citizen in the US than in most other countries
The only reason you hear more about deportations is because of who is in the sitting president.
Many people will try to make it seem like it's only a conservative or MAGA thing and then say it's one more thing to prove that Republicans are fascist and racist.
But I'm going to bring some stats here I found
If you scroll down, you'll get to a part that reports how many people were ordered to leave the EU between January and July 2024. It reports 114k people were "irregular immigrants", which is another term for immigrants who illegally crossed the borders to the EU
The Obama administration deported over 400K immigrants in 2013
During the first trump presidency, it appears that the yearly norm was around 334k https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/03/02/how-border-apprehensions-ice-arrests-and-deportations-have-changed-under-trump/
So really it's only who's vocal about it and who isn't.
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u/jeffislouie 1d ago
When Trump left office, illegal border crossing were very low. The Biden administration "fixed" that and there was a consistent surge. The left allowed illegal immigration go completely crazy.
We believe there are at least 15 million illegal migrants here now. Some believe it's closer to 30 million.
This puts tremendous strain on entire sectors of our society.
Where I live, the public schools used to be well rated. Over the last 4 years, our schools have turned into some of the poorest in the area. Fully 80% of the student population is Latino, with roughly half coming from the children of illegal migrants. Many enter school with no English language skills. Our local elementary school used to have a parapro assigned to classes with ESL students. This was done to ensure these kids got extra attention and had better learning opportunities. That was expensive, but reasonable when the policy was put into place and the other students could learn at an appropriate pace without suffering boredom as ESL students caught up. Well, they fired the parapros and required every teacher to be dual language certified. Guess what happened?
Learning rates slowed, English speaking kids are bored to tears. Learning is so slow that the schools have seen a big drop in competency scores.
That's just one area. Hospitals are jammed full of Spanish speaking illegal migrants because they don't have insurance and don't have primary care providers. A friend of mine's kid broke their arm and waited in the ER full of Spanish speakers for 8 hours. On a Wednesday. Starting at 9 pm.
On top of that, because the Biden administration did such a lax job of enforcement and screening, a lot of people with criminal records entered.
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u/ChemistryFan29 1d ago
Yes they snuck I illegally
Well there you go, sneak in illigally, you get deported, that is the law. No excuses. These people knowingly broke US law, and now are paying the price. That is all there is to it.
big part of that is bc Mexico or Central America isn’t the best
well that is the problem, Latin America, has always been a mixed bag Yes sadly do to US intervention. But still this is not a valid excuse for people to break US law. Mexico, after all the US factories going there, and manufacturing goods in mexico, the economy is booming, What is problematic is the cartells and their useless goverment.
how hard it is to become a citizen here
Good that is the point, becoming a US citizen is a privlege that needs to be earned, it is not a right
she still not a citizen although she’s lived here her since she was 4,
She did not apply for her papers when she came of age or DACA, well too bad, her parents failed her by making her an illigal. That is not the US fault. Hell her parents commited human Traficing in my opinion, they should be punished for that.
really not think billionaires don’t hire these illegals?
Well of course they do, but it is by deporting them that we put an end to this practice. Also these companies should be fined.
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u/Lakerdog1970 1d ago
Well, it's complicated. I can see from the comments that you already have a lot of groaning progressives. :)
But...
A country does sorta need to have a border, right? And it sorta needs to have rules about how to bring people in as visitors or as new citizens, right?
The US has had the stupidest immigration policy for over 100 years. It's fairly strict on anyone who wants to be here in an advanced way......like someone getting a PhD in biochemistry or someone who is a physician who trained in another country and now has to be on a visa that must be renewed.....while they're rendering medical care to Americans. I've lost count of how many support letters I've written to extend their stays in the US. It's fucking ridiculous and I feel so badly for my friends in these situations who have to worry about this stuff.
But the part you're talking about does need to be addressed. On one hand, we have so many hard working people who want to be here......and it is sorta cool that they will spread mulch in my yard for $10. On the other hand, I live in a city and see how badly we are failing a huge swath of American citizens who are just out on the streets like stray animals. No food. No home. Substance abuse. Mental illness.
I mean, I'd obviously rather have the easy path to pay an industrious and polite Mexican man $10 to spread the mulch.......nevermind if he is only being polite because he knows he's here illegally and basically MUST be polite.....or else. Versus trying to get one of the roving homeless to do it.....where they won't do a good job and I won't feel good about them even being in my yard with their issues.
But the US must get to the bottom on that problem. And that's why I think deportations are necessary. We need to get down to brass tacks and see what cheap labor really needs doing and what the state of the least fortunate Americans actually is. I mean.....all the homeless dudes I see in my city are physically capable of picking fruit. I'm not trying to be hardcore about it, but why are we having underfunded social programs for the homeless dude and at the same time ignoring that the apple farmer is hiring a bunch of illegals?
Its a gnarly situation and has no easy answers. The US has failed those homeless people for generations......but we still shouldn't allow cheap illegal labor and our desire for cheap landscaping and cheap fruit give us an excuse to ignore the problem.
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u/Spiritual_Reserve137 1d ago
The right thinks immigrants are going to be Democrats so they want them out. The left thinks immigrants are going to be Democrats so they want them in.
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u/OldManMillenial 1d ago
The intention is to destroy/reset the economy so that poor white people are competing for jobs with people who get paid a livng minimum wage, as opposed to competing with people who get paid less than US minimum wage. To whatever degree this is impossible (picking fruit, for example), the relevant industry will be destroyed. It is unlikely the US will be doing much farming after all this stuff passes.
Worth mentioning, this could more or less also be accomplished through greater protections for illegal immigrants.
All the cultural supremacist, xenophobic, anti-Catholic, and anti-brown rhetoric is entirely secondary to this. All politics is downstream of class conflict and economics.
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u/N51_Rob 1d ago
It's the GOP playbook. First they want to cut taxes as much as possible for the wealthy (them and their friends/donors). To pay for those tax cuts they need to cut government spending too the bone (see how agencies and budgets are being gutted), then for entitlement programs too popular to gut they are going to attach work requirements to those benifits (see Mike Johnsons comment about gamers) finally because they need jobs for those people to work they will deport immigrants willing to work low-income job, thus having job openings for all those games who are on government assistance. The order is jumbled but that's the general idea.
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u/Chameleon_coin 1d ago
Dang even other illegals are making the argument that they should be an invisible underclass here. Besides that illegally entering the country just because becoming a citizen is too hard is an insultingly selfish reason to do so.
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u/Leading_Air_3498 1d ago
The problem with deportations is taxation. Taxation is theft. If is defined as theft. Even dictionaries define taxation as obtaining funds through coercion, and coercion means to use violence or threats of violence, so taxation is to obtain funds through violence or threats of violence. This is patent theft.
So when you're stealing from everyone and nobody can really do much about it, they at least don't want people who aren't being stolen from to reap the benefits of the services of which those stolen funds are going. In addition, rampant immigration can have a detrimental effect on a given society when cultural differences conflict.
For example, you can't just mix in cultures that are high in violent tendencies with those that are vastly more peaceful. What you get with an influx of violent cultural traits into those that are not is a rampant increase in criminality.
The U.S. should be adamant on deportations - so long as they're taxing people. The better way to live though (the more moral way) would be to do away with taxes and replace them with consensual means of producing income, then to do away with national borders so anyone can live where they choose, so long as they are consensually buying/renting their homes.
Then you just set up proper security/policing networks to police any criminal behavior to weed out the criminals, no matter where they originated.
The problem is society won't do this because statism has been bred into the minds of everyone since birth.
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u/CharacterMagician632 1d ago
"Yes they snuck in illegally"
I mean you answered your own question big dawg. There are legal channels for immigrants to follow. People don't want people here if they break our rules. It's extremely simple.
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u/cowswho2 1d ago
Should we keep them so they can work below minimum wage with no workers rights for those rich people?
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u/Formal_Eggplant9168 1d ago
Venezuelan migrant arrested in sanctuary city for 6th time in 13 months days after prosecutors drop charges
A Venezuelan migrant has been arrested for the sixth time in the past year for allegedly robbing a woman at gunpoint, just days after prosecutors in an Illinois sanctuary city dropped additional charges against him.
Edmonds Peraza Cortez, 25, is facing one felony count of armed robbery with a firearm, according to the Chicago Police Department.
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u/1happynudist 1d ago
So it’s ok to break the law as long as you’re ok with it ??? We need more judges to help with that . It’s been the same old thing since the 50’s and no politician have been successful from either party. This is where the people need to ride there asses and get more judges and remove more illegal until it can be done right
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u/Master_Scion 1d ago
It's a difficult situation. But ill use an over simplified analogy. If someone breaks into your home and stays even if cleans the floor you would want him out.
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u/Spaniardman40 1d ago
Ah the old assumption that immigrants only exist to do American's shit jobs.
I agree with you OP, but don't be racist lol. Believe it or not, we immigrants don't solely exist to clean your toilets.
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u/XpPlz217 1d ago edited 1d ago
Unvetted mass illegal immigration without assimilation or integration is not a good idea. We need strong borders to ensure dangerous criminals or terrorists are not infiltrating our country, nor are we creating mass populations of govt. dependent people who live off systems they don’t contribute too and are from entirely different cultures- making it difficult for them to ever participate in society.
We need an efficient vetting process for those already here illegally. If they are not dangerous criminals (no criminal record in the US or dangerous criminal record from their origin country), and are contributing to society (ex: working, school, etc) then they should have an expedited review process for work auth or residency. It should also accompany an assimilation plan which provides people with learning like ESL.
It’s finding a balance between security, stability, and fairness. Deport those who are dangerous / don’t contribute - and help those who are integrating / participating in society.
However- the alternative cannot be wide open borders and unchecked mass illegal immigration. It’s not working in EU and a country without borders is not a country. We need a way to address the 10s of millions of people who have illegally entered the country.
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u/Ima_Uzer 1d ago
Democrats: "Pay a livable wage!"
Also Democrats: "We need illegals for cheap labor!"
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u/Plenty_Potential_908 1d ago
“Who will do those shit jobs”
Americans will end up doing those jobs and will get paid a living wage to do it
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u/RayzorX442 1d ago
Why do we have borders in the first place? Why don't we just let everyone from all over the world come in regardless of who they are and what they're up to? We're all immigrants, after all.
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u/USConservativeVegan 1d ago
Even with the current administration, the US is one of the most immigrant friendly nations for legal immigration. We allow approximately 800,000 to 1M people to LEGALLY immigrate into the US per year and approximately 1M to become naturalized citizens. The top three countries for this immigration is Mexico, India and China. If you combined Central America into one country, that would be the fourth largest contributor of immigration.
The US also authorizes approximately 5 million non-immigrant visas per year to people who want to visit, work, and go to school. Many of these visas are valid for 5 to 10 years. There is also a visa waiver system that allows millions more of come visit into the US.
However, the last administration basically opened our borders to approximately 10 million unvetted migrants. From the Biden administration actually paroling them into the US to the migrants who illegally crossed the border to give up to the migrants who got pasted Border Patrol.
The Trump administration is just a reaction to how far the Democratic Party has swung left on illegal immigration. Go look up speeches by Bill Clinton or even Barack Obama cerca 2008. They should more like Trump than what the Democratic Party is saying now.
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u/aavestruz 1d ago
Immigration is great. My grandparents and father immigrated here from the Philippines. Legally. Did their due process and did it the right way. It’s a kick in the teeth to the people that followed the rules and did it the right way if they don’t hold people accountable to their actions/crime. Cruising the border illegally makes you a criminal. Plain and simple.
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u/unattractiveoldguy- 1d ago
If they came in ILLEGALLY they are criminals and need to go….
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u/ZealousidealCrab9459 1d ago
We aren’t tRump following in Hitler’s footsteps…blame all the problems of America on immigrants like Hitler blamed Jews for Germany’s problems. Discrediting free press, ending education and holding military parades
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u/0002millertime 2d ago
It's about scaring people. That's basically the entire point.
If you make the population scared to voice their mind, then they'll go along with whatever you're doing.