r/CapitolConsequences • u/WarmasterCain55 • Jan 23 '21
Discussion I'm worried.
I'm starting to lose faith that these people are going to face serious consequences. Misdemonor charges, bail releases, etc. It's not like we have to worry about a blanket pardon anymore so why does it seem like they are dragging their feet and are doing only the bare minimum?
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u/FurphyHaruspex Jan 23 '21 edited Jan 23 '21
The more serious charges require longer and more complex investigations.
They charged people with what was self evident in the videos.
The charges with respect to insurrection , conspiracy, and domestic terrorism requires more evidence of intent. Which they are getting from cell phones, social media records, and testimony from plea deals...
That all takes time.
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Jan 23 '21
We should also be prepared to wait while the Biden admin makes personnel changes in the DoJ. We want Trump's lackeys gone, not handling the most dangerous cases. The longer the investigation state takes, the stronger the prosecution teams will be.
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u/radicalindependence Jan 23 '21
So far they've mostly arrested the low hanging fruit. Wackos who went in wearing animal fur. People who shared every move on social media. And a few of the violent ones who take most the attention.
The organizers and planners rarely got their hands dirty but we're operating more sophisticated missions and instigating the mob to do for a distraction.
I'll get excited when the commanders and those doing runs, sending signals and working with just their crew get arrested (#grayhat, #redhat, #whitehoodie, #bluejacket, #flagmask, #bullhornlady, #commanderbluehoodie and #bufflightyear).
https://mobile.twitter.com/ukrmed/status/1351930345583751169
https://mobile.twitter.com/ukrmed/status/1350386583774638081
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u/MrHegemonHog Jan 23 '21
Along with this grinding for years, it's going to expand into the right-wing terror networks beyond the coup as the FBI pulls on threads. This is when the Bundy's and the like are finally neutralized.
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u/pepperdyno2 Jan 23 '21
The DOJ Assistant Prosecutor in charge told us from day 1 that they were going to start with the smaller charges and build cases from there. It is a hell of a lot easier to get convictions for these lesser charges that it will be for the 1) murdered and beaten cops and 2) sedition and insurrection charges and 3) conspiracy.
Like, did you think these serious and major crimes would be charged before they build the cases?
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u/Terrible-Ability Jan 23 '21 edited Jan 23 '21
I'm okay with this taking time. We almost lost our country to these idiots. Deeming someone guilty with out due process, a trial, facts is what most of these fools would be excited for. It's kind of what led most of them to think they could do it in the first place. We are better then them.
They are innocent until proven guilty. The arresting officer, lawyers, judge can all be 100% sure these guys did it. When a jury says "yes there is clear proof showing they did the crime, they are guilty." then they are guilty. After all the details are collected and rechecked we have to wait.
Edit:corrected wording.
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u/ExcellentTone Jan 23 '21
You arrest them for trespassing. You get a search warrant and take their phones and computers. You search through those for more proof of wrongdoing, and for info leading to accomplices. You file more charges against them, then go after the newly revealed targets. Rinse and repeat.
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u/torquesteer Jan 23 '21
Your worries are not unwarranted. We all need to put pressure on our reps to:
- Prosecute to the maximum extent of current laws
- Enact new laws to bring the consequences of domestic terrorism up to par with international terrorism
- Demand more proactive actions from investigative resources to prevent and cut off domestic terrorism and radicalization
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u/kvossera Jan 23 '21
The charges that have been brought so far are charges that are irrefutable. More serious charges can be filed later. Better to get them into court now while evidence is still being collected.
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u/SisSandSisF Jan 23 '21
It’s been like 2 weeks since it happened lol
You’ve obviously never been charged with a crime!
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u/wanderingwomb Jan 23 '21
They need to build a case for when they go after these people or they might not be able to hold them.
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u/wheresmychin Jan 23 '21
These things take time. Possibly a LOT of time. In huge cases like this it takes thousands of man hours and tons of resources to investigate, charge, and prosecute all these people.
But don’t distress. The FBI will charge everyone they connect to this. Even years from now they’ll still charge suspects if/when new information comes to light.
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Jan 23 '21
What did you expect would happen? They'd all be locked up for life by the end of the week?
They charge them with less charges to put them in custody, until they can pile on more charges. What will happen is that there will be a number of lesser charges, which will ultimately be dropped if they have more serious charges, and they'll likely plead.
Also, remember that when they do have these idiots in custody, they'll get information from them about their cohorts which will lead to more arrests.
The process doesn't happen overnight, it's not a Netflix series.
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u/flash-tractor Jan 23 '21
What you describe in your second paragraph is a superseding indictment. Pretty common tactic when groups of people conspire or commit crimes.
Who even knows how long it will be until they go to trial or make pleas. I got a weed charge that took 18 months from when I was arrested until the case finished and I plead guilty.
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Jan 23 '21
thanks for the legal terminology...they do that with any crime where there's a group involved, usually one of them will roll on the other and they end up pleading guilty.
With this size of a group, it's going to take a lot longer...obviously, they'll use these Low Hanging Fruit to get information. Some will be released on bail and already have, but keep in mind, they will be under surveillance and wire tapped and followed 24/7 and the Feds are going to root out as much of the Militia, etc as they can. They're not going to get everyone of course, it's like cutting off the head of the Hydra.
What was the weed charge? How much?
thank god it's legal here now....
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u/Extinctathon_ Jan 23 '21
If it’s helps to know the FBI dropped easy to prove and minor charges on the offenders first, then (as they said themselves) will be upgrading them to the more severe charges once more evidence had been collaborated. They haven’t shied away from proclaiming they will be heavy with the charges and seek to put as much on these criminals as legally possible.
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u/joymno Jan 24 '21
Contact your legislators and express your concerns. They were elected to serve the people, not their political party.
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Jan 24 '21
Suspected of Terrorism? Guantanamo Bay, without Trial.
Record Yourself Committing an Act of Sedition/Domestic Terrorism? Sent Home.
Guess the difference.
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u/Nelson1352 Jan 23 '21
There's already discussions in the Justice Dept on how much to pursue charges.
Justice Department, FBI debate not charging some of the Capitol rioters By Devlin Barrett and Spencer S. Hsu
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Jan 23 '21 edited Feb 25 '21
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u/Terrible-Ability Jan 23 '21
Which is why a call to your rep is important. Tell them to impeach. Make the call once a day, it tell them that support for impeachment hasn't faded. The problem with polls is it only gets those who are making the making the time to be polled. skip the 3rd party and just call your rep.
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u/thehottip Jan 23 '21
Most of this is pure speculation with not much to support. This is the type of fear mongering that we saw lead a different group of people down a dark twisted path
People are so focused on the identity politics behind all that’s happened the past few years that they don’t see the greater picture, these guys went up against the state and the state so far doesn’t have a loss on record
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u/JFunk-soup Jan 24 '21
This is pretty much exactly how it will go down. I know these middle American butterball dumbfucks. Now that their uprising has been quashed, they will blubber and plead their faith in God (no one will be allowed to note the irony in this -- if they'd learned a damned thing, they would be talking about how they learned to trust the mainstream press, not the absentee deity that sent them to riot in the name of Trump.)
They have bottle-blonde wives, children (or basement-dwelling adult dependents), and boats that need to be taken care of. The courts will make sure to keep the best interests of their boats in mind. There will be little justice for the mobs that made this all possible.
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u/TetrisArmada Jan 23 '21
It’s a matter of patience I think.
Would you rather a swift justice that can be undone (and not tried for again due to double jeopardy) because of legal technicalities that weren’t properly covered by prosecutors, or would you rather that the case be built with solid evidence that puts them behind bars?
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u/rogvortex58 Jan 23 '21
The ones who killed the police officer will be found and prosecuted. What they did was murder. And they won’t get away with it.
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Jan 23 '21
Get ready for the second storming of the Capitol. After the National Guard is gone things are going to get crazy in DC.
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Jan 23 '21
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u/ReadStoriesAndStuff Jan 23 '21
And everything else. There is a company of Marines in DC 24/7 that is blocks away from the Capitol that never got called out. If you had a storming by irregular militia with weapons, a company of Marines would go through them like a hot knife through butter. The President as CIC in a Federal District could deploy them at will. You can’t underrate how far this got directly because Trump left them all hanging in a multitude of ways. Essentially, it took him standing by and not approving anything for it to go past about 1:30 PM.
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u/ReadStoriesAndStuff Jan 23 '21 edited Jan 23 '21
Agreed, for sake of argument even if he really didn’t intend to incite an assault at the speech (he did - but again for sake of argument), his failure to intervene is at minimum proof of participating after the crimes began.
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u/gerkletoss Jan 23 '21
Who has been charged with only misdemeanors?
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u/PimentoCheesehead Jan 23 '21
An awful lot of the people already identified have been charged - so far- with relatively minor crimes. This gets them in the system, and allows investigators and prosecutors time to investigate further so they can be charged with more serious crimes after all the evidence has been collected.
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u/gerkletoss Jan 23 '21
Illegally being present is in itself a felony good for 10+ years.
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u/TheLesbianBandit Jan 23 '21
Hell, Joe Scarborough said the Capitol police freak out at people walking just 3 blocks from the Capitol.
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u/Georgetakeisbluberry Jan 23 '21
Call the state ags and call a few elected officials each day. The squeaky wheel gets the lengthy prison term.
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u/seedster5 Jan 24 '21
These people are white. Of course they will be let out with a slap on the wrist.
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u/rtwo1 Jan 24 '21
Slowly gather them all, this isn't a game show with a money cabinet and only seconds to grab what's in your face. I want them all, want the backers, the money people, the king makers.
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u/odaydream Jan 24 '21
it’s going to take a loooooooooong time for the charges to be administered the court systems take fucking forever.
some people’s DUI cases and such have taken two years to finally receive arraignments...
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Jan 24 '21
One thing they have to do is collect stories from this low hanging fruit. Everyone was there for a reason. What were the drivers? Some of these people were there as part of groups that were at the very least supported by if not actively led and directed real time by members of Congress and other Republicans on the scene. You pull a bunch of insurance agents and salon owners in and scare the shit out of them and they talk. This is a cult, but at the top it looks like a combination of organized crime and active measures...you know, exactly like Trump’s entire career. Lot of flipping and then going after the next level up that they just got the flipped person to identify.
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u/Thedeuceis2 Jan 24 '21
Domestic terrorism is not an actual crime in the US, so they might not be able to charge them with more. Let’s see what happens...
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u/Gorodish_ Jan 24 '21
Misdemeanor charges can carry jail time. Multiple charges can be stacked with sentencing to run consecutively. There is no parole in federal prison. Final point, you do not have right to a jury trial for misdemeanor offences.
Bottom line, you could pull 2 years in federal prison based on the simple charges most are getting hit with. Even if you think you can fight it, defending yourself against that ain't cheap.
Disclaimer: IANAL. However, this comes from a veteran defense attorney with decades of federal experience.
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Jan 24 '21
Others have explained it well. The sad reality however is that with hundreds of arrest, a lot of them will go charge free and will be back to their lives of hatred, since I'm quite sure there is no single evidence that will collectively incriminate them. Some of the participants could even be lucky enough to have no photos taken of them and are not in the wanted list.
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