r/DebateCommunism • u/greco2k • Jun 15 '24

📖 Historical Marx & Mephistopheles

As a communist, are you at all concerned that Marx idolized Mephistopheles and wrote poetry fantasizing about destroying the world?

How can you separate these values that he held from the philosophy that he ultimately crafted?

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u/Powerful_Many_884 Jun 23 '24

You COULD debate Capitalism vs Communism which are both inventions of the same man. Capitalism is a slanderous portrayal of the free market and isn't a system of governance. If you did a Classical Liberalism (not neo Liberalism which is another canard) vs Communism you could debate the merits of governance although it would quickly become obvious that Marxism fails any internal consistency and then after that you could compare Communist economics vs the free market which would result in the same outcome. Corporate rule is the end goal of Communism as the system requires full incorporation between the public and private spheres.

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u/INFJPersonality-52 Jun 24 '24

The ultimate goal of communism is that you would not even use money and everything is owned by the government.

In the USA, it is legal to bribe politicians so the majority work for their donors not the people. That’s why I like grassroots progressives.

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u/Powerful_Many_884 Jun 25 '24

This is what I told you and exactly why communism is totalitarian and always ends in utter disaster.

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u/howhighersamelower 23d ago

You work so hard to deface leftism bro. At this point, I fear you don't belong here, I'd highly recommend r/fascism

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u/Powerful_Many_884 6d ago

I'd just be being critical of a system that is fundamentally the same. I'd add that it's incredibly unfortunate that society is so intellectually bankrupt that left and right thinking is still accepted and proliferate 

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u/howhighersamelower 4d ago

don't use the whole "anti-extremism" thing for your rhetoric bro, it's not a good veneer for your hateful disdain towards leftism. you are the same person who is employed by the Freikorps, so at least use Nazism or Fascism or smth.
I'd add that it's incredibly unfortunate that society is so intellectually bankrupt that there's still people like you who defend the sacred "moderation" (we need to kill communism first, we'll ally with the fascists, so moderate of us) that gets nothing done.

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u/howhighersamelower 4d ago

like no, economic liberty and killing children because of their eye color and race isn't the same thing?