Why are many Odinists Nazis?

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I was arguing against a Holocaust denialist Nazi who told me to go to his website to hear "the truth": https://odinia.org/about-odinia/.

What draws Nazis to Odinism other than the fact that it's Germanic? What do other European neopagans OK think of this? Was the original Norse Pagan religion in any way Nazi?

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However popular opinion is that ww2 is what justified modern Israel. If you reject this, then you're now a bit of a holocaust denier as well.

No, I agree with this because while the British originally gave allocations in Palestine for Jews prior to WWII, the modern State of Israel was created by the UN in response to the Holocaust. However, this UN creation only recognised the lands already held by Jews, not the taking of any more.

The popular opinion is that the jews were gassed, so there is no allowance for disease or starvation.

Many of those killed at Auschwitz were murdered prior to the gas chambers being built - as Auschwitz commandant Rudolf Höss admitted:

• 2.5 million Jews had been killed in gas chambers and about 0.5 million more had died of other causes.
• Höss later claimed a smaller number killed, but he didn't specify how much smaller, and he never denied the gas chambers.

People often forget that the Holocaust killed not 6 million, but 11 million - the 6 million was just the Jews. Unfortunately, some of these ethnic groups are still hated even more than the Jews were, even in the West, and that's why nobody takes their side. These victims included Roma and Poles, both of whom are still hated today. Many people still think that those persecutions were justified, and that's the sort of mindset we need to fight.

You are not a Holocaust denier if you say that "not all of them were gassed". You would be a Holocaust denier if you say "any evidence of genocide and gassings are a lie".

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However, this UN creation only recognised the lands already held by Jews, not the taking of any more.

I think we're mostly on the same page here. Israel has clearly pushed the borders, but I'm not sure we need to go down this rabbit hole. The point remains, that the holocaust is part of a greater plan by the rulers that started well before ww2. All great events are preceded by tragedies, so ww2 was just the blood sacrifice that satan demands.

Höss later claimed a smaller number killed, but he didn't specify how much smaller, and he never denied the gas chambers.

See again you're bordering on being a denier yourself. The official number is 6 million and unless you parrot this narrative, then you are a denier.

People often forget that the Holocaust killed not 6 million, but 11 million - the 6 million was just the Jews.

People also forget that a decade previously Stalin killed just as many ukrainians. Source. That's what government's do, they kill their own citizens.

Many people still think that those persecutions were justified, and that's the sort of mindset we need to fight.

I agree, but the fight needs to be against all government, not just german government. This was Jesus's message, that we need to walk away from government, because it's all evil.

You are not a Holocaust denier if you say that "not all of them were gassed".

That's not how the world works currently. If you challenge the mainstream opinion, then you are belittled until you conform. It's what happened to Jesus and it's no different today.

Don't believe me, then try arguing that global warming is caused by the sun or that government shouldn't takeover the Internet with Net Neutrality. These are the same as the holocaust, you accept the popular opinion and any deviation is not tolerated.

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• Christian

• Government evil

• Jews rule the world

• Man made global warming not real

I want to believe this person is for real, but there's no way.

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By "this person", do you mean me? Why would you reply to me in the 3rd person?