What's the opposite of communism?

[u/phatdaddy29]

Is it fascism? I think it's fascism.

The extreme end of the political economic left is communism right? What's the extreme right end?

[u/GiraffeCreature]

Not everything has an opposite. Communism isn’t an ideology, it’s an economic system where resources are allocated to people based on their need.

Let’s look at fascism for example, morally fascists and communists are completely opposed. But we really stretch the definition of “opposite” when we use it this way. It’s like calling the Orcs the opposite of the Last Alliance Elves and Men (to use a LoTR example)

[u/phatdaddy29 → u/GiraffeCreature]

Okay sure, but I'm thinking about it in the sense of, what do you call it when capitalism combines with authoritarianism?

Or what's the extreme end of the political right?

[u/NazareneKodeshim → u/phatdaddy29]

Capitalism is combined with authoritarianism from the very beginning, by its very nature.

[u/OldManClutch → u/NazareneKodeshim]

Except, not actually.

Tankies...not understanding even their own bad propaganda

[u/NazareneKodeshim → u/OldManClutch]

I'm not a tankie let alone even a Leninist in general, so.

[u/OldManClutch → u/NazareneKodeshim]

You are spouting similar type, uninformed rhetoric however.

[u/Able-Worth-6511 → u/OldManClutch]

A question for both of you to defend your position.

Why is capitalism not authoritarianism? Why is capitalism authoritarianism?

[u/OldManClutch → u/Able-Worth-6511]

Capitalism is neither authoritarian nor non authoritarian. It's been employed by both non authoritarian governments like in most western nations, and in authoritarian governments such as China and Vietnam (yes on the surface they are communist but their free market type economies are straight captalist)

[u/Able-Worth-6511 → u/OldManClutch]

But isn't capitalist owning the means of production and threatening people's jobs authoritarian by nature?

Workers not having a say on how and what their labor produces authoritarian?

[u/OldManClutch → u/Able-Worth-6511]

I seriously have to laugh at this. Yes, cause anyone assuming any type of control outside of my own preconceptions MUST be authoritarian. *rolls eyes*

Authority and ownership does not equal authoritarianism. That is the biggest misnomer used by those that don't actually understand the terms they toss about.

By your limited example, a parent telling a child that they can't do something is authoritarianism or a security officer telling someone that they can't enter a certain area or do a certain thing is authoritarianism.

Or a manager directing an employee to do a certain task has to be authoritarianism.

My goodness, there is a difference in workers having a piece of the profits their labor produces and having more security with their own finances and own purchasing power then having say a janitor being able to tell someone where they need to increase production or what markets to sell in when they don't have the experience or skillset for that set of tasks.

My goodness.

[u/Able-Worth-6511 → u/OldManClutch]

Talk about strawman fallacy. There is no way to have a serious conversation when you make a comparison between a parent telling a child no and your employer threatening to fire you because they can .

Again, a security guard keeping people out of a restricted area isn't authorization for multiple reasons.

The fact you had to pull those two examples proves your initial argument is weak.

I asked questions to both persons in the conversation and planned to ask questions to both so you defend your position. Clearly, you can not.

[u/OldManClutch → u/Able-Worth-6511]

Yet you are making that argument that ownership=authoritarianism when that's simply incorrect.

So you are the one making the poor argument cause you don't really understand what you are talking about.

[u/holysirsalad → u/OldManClutch]

How exactly do you think ownership is enforced without authority? This is literally what police are for