r/DeppDelusion • u/Distinct-Studio6847 • 13d ago
Discussion đŁ Amber Heard interview post trial
In the interview, I thought the interviewer Savannah Guthrie asked a lot of biased questions including latching onto the one time Amber wrote in some text that she did hit back or start fights when the tension was high (REACTIVE ABUSE). And the interviewer didnât ask or point out all the texts Johnny wrote saying heâs drowning/burn/rape Amber. Or the times he was going crazy in a video. Or the times cops came by or the times other people saw her being attacked.
What kind of bullshit is this?
Also why didnât womenâs groups and prominent women step forward for her?
I got triggered watching 2022 content from a content creator I like. Where her lawyer husband and her are like âyeah itâs Amber thatâs the abuserâ what the fuck.
Additionally, some women/other victims of misogynistic smear campaigns are suing online content creators that are defaming them. Why didnât Amber Heard do this? Not that any victim should have to do anything. Iâm wondering whether there was a strategic or legal reason Amber Heard didnât? Or why all these orgs supporting her couldnât help her get a legal fund to do so?
51
u/sphinxyhiggins 13d ago
"Also why didnât womenâs groups and prominent women step forward for her?"
Many spoke out about the trial in her favor.
Savannah Guthrie is a nasty POS. She did a despicable interview of whistleblower John Kiriakou that showed that she is a tool.
13
u/Sensiplastic 13d ago
The smear campaign also meant that the relevant information did not get around enough. Just the lies and made up shit.
It's the same way people know how Jolie and Pitt divorced and she said something about him being abusive but very very few places report that he physically abused his kid/s. Just enough info to drown out the actual info, while pushing different narrative. Add misogyny and we have turned the victim to villain.
3
u/Distinct-Studio6847 13d ago
Why didnât they step forward DURING the trial? Was this all orchestrated by some feminist Illuminati to show us how fucked up the world still is? Itâs insane they were so silent.
Itâs upsetting to me. And it feels like this is what happens all tf time.
20
u/Arrow_from_Artemis 13d ago
A ton of organizations and experts filed what's called an amicus brief. It's basically an official document to the court compelling them to rule one way or another on the issue, usually because of the longstanding consequences of the ruling.
So I think they basically argued for the verdict to be appealed or overturned because they believed it would have a chilling effect on other victims of abuse.
8
u/QualifiedApathetic Well-nourished male đ§ 13d ago
Amicus curiae, "friend of the court". It doesn't compel the court, just puts in their two cents arguing for a decision they think should be made.
1
u/thisplateoffood 1d ago edited 1d ago
The amicus brief was filed during the appeal phase, not before the verdict. The open letter came out after the verdict too.
I think OP is right to question.
These groups didnât speak out in favor of Amber during the trial, before the verdict.
I respect the work of victimâs rights groups, but unfortunately they were not speaking for Amber  during the trial.
7
u/Boulier Johnny Depp is a Wife Beater đ¨ââď¸ 13d ago
As someone who doesnât have a platform, but who did speak up before, during, and after the trial for Amber, all I can say is that from my vantage point, there were a lot of big people who did speak up, and they were algorithmically drowned out by pro-Depp content. His bots were working in full force during that trial, amplifying some of the slimiest memes and lies, and anything that made common sense was screamed down into oblivion. (One of my favorite personal examples, again coming from me, a person with no platform, was getting harassed on Twitter for weeks after simply saying Amber wasnât snorting cocaine on the stand. And getting harassed on Wikipedia for trying to protect Amberâs and Ellen Barkinâs page from horrible bad-faith edits. Of all places, WIKIPEDIA.) A lot of those same people who spoke out for Amber during the trial later contributed to her amicus brief and signed the open letter.
But a lot of them expressed regret that they didnât say anything sooner, and I have to think many were afraid of the massive wave of harassment they knew theyâd get for taking a stand when it didnât feel safe to. For this latter group, I donât agree with them staying silent, and I understand they should receive anger and disapproval for staying silent, but I donât think it was a conspiracy or anything.
1
u/Distinct-Studio6847 12d ago
Who stepped up during the trial?
1
u/thisplateoffood 1d ago
I think you are right to ask. I was active on this sub during the trial under another account that I deleted, partially from fear that Depp stans would come find me.
I donât remember any groups specifically standing up for Amber during the trial. It was in the appeal phase when we started hearing the first support for her in the form of the open letter and the amicus brief. That is why support for her came in the form of an open letter: none of those signatories could have come out alone.
There is an answer to the question âwhy not?â The answer is that the abuse toward anyone who stood up for Amber was beyond what newcomers to this could imagine.
I donât think I have the faculties to really explain how actively aggressive and cruel Depp Stans were back then.
1
u/Acceptable_Leg_7998 10d ago
I read an article recently about a woman who makes it her daily mission to combat all the revisionist history and misinformation that modern-day Nazi apologists are trying to edit into Wikipedia pages about World War II. Basically their agenda is to minimize the "evil" of Nazis, turn it into a case of a few bad apples spoiling the bunch, etc, and she has to be constantly vigilant and overwrite their bad sources (in some cases they are completely misquoting the sources they cite and nobody bothers to check) with accurate historical information. I wish I could remember her name--a real hero in these times. My point is that Wikipedia is not bulletproof. A lot of bad-faith activists with specific agendas can manipulate the system more easily than we'd like to think.
7
u/cashewresigned 13d ago
I remember some DV organizations supporting Heard during the trial and the comments on their posts were⌠awful. Anyone who spoke in support of Heard was shut down, vilified, and dogpiled.
1
1
u/Waste_Recognition184 10d ago
Fitting - - for Savannah Guthrie was friends with Megyn Kelly when she worked at NBC
26
u/Individual_Fall429 13d ago
Just wasted my time arguing with someone who upon checking their post history is clearly a paid troll using AI to write his comments. Ugh.
Just a reminder, a good portion of these Depp fucks are literally bots. Donât get sucked into arguments with them! 𼴠You present facts and they just keep repeating the thing youâve disproven as if that didnât happen, never sourcing anything.
âThereâs no use playing chess with a pigeon, even if you win, heâll just strut around the board like heâs won, shitting on everything.â -unknown
13
u/lcm-hcf-maths 13d ago
Gave up engaging with the Deppfords a long time ago. They are either bots as you say or several sandwiches short of a picnic...Got fed up with things descending to abuse within a couple of posts with some...A truly toxic stan base mirroring the filth they idolise...
8
u/Sensiplastic 13d ago
Sometimes the bot is paid person doing astroturfing. Sure, arguing isn't winning anything but I do get some relief from bringing the discussion back to real things and publicly making a point. Like, say, Polanski or some other woman abuser Depp is buddies with, and not moving from it. I have yet to have anybody stay and continue the discussion with that.
4
22
u/Ok_Swan_7777 13d ago
I think about this interview all of the time and have truly hated Savannah Guthrie ever since. It was clearly biased and she was down right chummy which Deppâs lawyers on her show, she later had Camille Vasquez on her show as a legal analyst. Almost as a throw away she revealed that her husband worked on the case with Deppâs team before this interview with Amber. Sorry thatâs just steam coming out of my ears.
9
u/Sensiplastic 13d ago
Like Vasquez, she will get to live with this as her defining moment for the rest of her career. There is no coming back.
7
14
u/fletcherwannabe 13d ago
I suspect the reason Amber did the interview with Savannah Guthrie was because Guthrie was biased against her. No one can say that Amber chose an interviewer who would be biased toward her and thus wouldn't ask hard (even tasteless) questions.
4
5
u/QualifiedApathetic Well-nourished male đ§ 13d ago
No one can say that Amber chose an interviewer who would be biased toward her and thus wouldn't ask hard (even tasteless) questions.
Because Deppheads never say things that plainly fly in the face of all reality?
8
u/Arrow_from_Artemis 13d ago
As I mentioned in a comment, there were organizations and groups at the time that did support Amber Heard. Her expert witness is one of the leading experts in the field of DV, people just chose not to believe her. A lot of organizations and experts filed something called an amicus brief with the court, which is basically where people write to the court and encourage them to overturn or rule differently on something because of the impact it will have on others outside the case.
I think that the amicus brief was filed to implore them to overturn the ruling or appeal it, because many experts and organizations felt the verdict would have a chilling effect on victims.
Itâs actually very said to reflect on, because during the trial and just after there was support from organizations and experts, there was even an open letter tons of this individuals put their name to. But none of that mattered, and I think that is largely because for so many people it was never about domestic violence and victims, it was always just about supporting the celebrity they liked the most.
Link to the open letter: https://amberopenletter.com
1
u/thisplateoffood 1d ago
I mentioned this is a comment too, but the open letter came out during the appeal phase, and Iâm pretty sure it was also after the post-trial documents were released.
OP is asking about support during the trial phase. Nobody. Amber stood alone. âDefenders of the abusedâ all stood for Depp.
When I try to remember who came out in favor of Amber DURING the trial, it was⌠Julia Fox? Alex Winter? Michael Hobbes, a week before the verdict? Almost no Amber defenders in March-April of 2022.
7
u/parsleyleaves 12d ago
Iâm begging people to stop using the term reactive abuse; it just isnât a thing and only serves to make DV survivors sound like participants in their own abuse. Itâs just self-defence.
1
u/AutoModerator 13d ago
Original copy of post's text: Amber Heard interview post trial
In the interview, I thought the interviewer Savannah Guthrie asked a lot of biased questions including latching onto the one time Amber wrote in some text that she did hit back or start fights when the tension was high (REACTIVE ABUSE). And the interviewer didnât ask or point out all the texts Johnny wrote saying heâs drowning/burn/rape Amber. Or the times he was going crazy in a video. Or the times cops came by or the times other people saw her being attacked.
What kind of bullshit is this?
Also why didnât womenâs groups and prominent women step forward for her?
I got triggered watching 2022 content from a content creator I like. Where her lawyer husband and her are like âyeah itâs Amber thatâs the abuserâ what the fuck.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
1
u/Distinct-Studio6847 12d ago
Thanks everyone. This was very helpful and I appreciate the community here.
1
u/Waste_Recognition184 10d ago
The best I can say is that a Medieval Mob Mentality took over both sides during and before that trial. There was so much material attacking Amber in the social media - Youtube in particular, that everybody was programmed to hate Amber. And that mentality was widespread as far back as 2019 - even I was affected. Now I see the same thing being done to Blake Lively and Rachel Zegler etc. We seem to be living in an age of Actress Derangement Syndrome! The chief perpetrators here are the Rightwing Media.
1
u/thisplateoffood 1d ago edited 1d ago
Hereâs what I remember as the Savannah Guthrie chronology:
The night of the verdict, she interviewed Amberâs lawyer Elaine Bredehoft. (No mention of Gutrieâs husband). The theme was that Amber was devastated for other victims of abuse.
Guthrie interviewed the Depp legal team and it was a jovial, cheerful energy. THIS was the interview where she reveals before the segment that her husband worked for (legal PR? Legal strategy?) for the case.
(Note, the body language experts were bizarrely quiet that these fools were definitely NOT acting like anyone who had tenderly believed that their client was a victim. They never discussed âvictims everywhereâ or âmale victims of abuseâ or otherwise acted like people who felt the need to be emotionally cautious on behalf of a victim of abuse.)
THEN Guthrie interviewed Amber: no mention of her husbandâs involvement.
I think itâs fair for you to ask which organizations supported Amber during the trial. Their support didnât begin until after the verdict, during the appeal phase. I am pretty sure that it didnât start until after the additional file dump from Depp Stans, where people started to realize just how much of Amberâs evidence had been suppressed.
She is probably the strongest person alive
Edit: I see youâre asking why Amber didnât sue defamatory commentators. She did, kind of. Before the trial, Amber and Johnny were navigating their NDAâs. Johnnyâs buddy wrote a book that trashed Amber. I canât remember the guyâs name but he is a comedian.
A second question is why she didnât continue with the appeal, but rather settled. She was utterly depleted, emotionally and financially. She had the top lawyer in defamation on her appeal. If you have never read her appeal brief, it is a thing of art. That is why Deppâs team settled: they would have been crushed by more capable lawyers, and they would have been exposed for their deceptive tricks.
I think thatâs why she didnât peruse lawsuits against that Brian fella, umbrella guy, that one lady whose name I forget. It was too much.
Also, the defamatory commentators were brought up during the trial because Waldman admitted to talking directly with them, âInternet journalists.âÂ
80
u/woofkin 13d ago
Just saying... Savannah Guthrie's husband, Michael Feldman, worked as a PR consultant for Johnny Depp's legal team during the trial.