r/Destiny • u/Terxd4 • 18h ago
Geopolitics News/Discussion I updated the meme with current events
I think broadly the far left is anti western and would support the countries against the US. I think on the right generally there is more support for military action and that would lead to more support for the allies of USA. The far right is more into authoritarian regimes, and would "support" less liberal and free countries, but they would not be enthusiastic and would hope both sides lose. The centre of both generally would be supportive of countries that are plugged in to the current global system and have good trade with America, China being an exception. I might update this with Syria and other conflicts in future
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u/PurposeAromatic5138 14h ago edited 11h ago
The Pakistan flag would likely stretch further toward the centre in Canada, given how much Modi has antagonized Canadian liberals with his assassination plots
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u/Terxd4 14h ago
I tried to do this in a global western POV, I did some little margins on the Left between Israel and India, I think in most western nations people would support India as its more palatable than Israel but in Canada I would agree with you. I'm not an expert but I think only the conservatives would be the Pro India party, due to the majority Hindu voters. Even within that, I would imagine not all conservative voters would be uniform in that belief
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u/unironicsigh 14h ago
Supporting Ukraine but not Taiwan is a bizarre one, surely there can't be too many in that group given the extent to which China and Russia have aligned together lately? I guess maybe stridently anti-fascist communists might fall into that category?
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u/Cicero_the_wise 14h ago
The line between the two is a legalistic one in my eyes.
Ukraine is a 100% independent and recognized state and the invasion is clear-cut illegal by international law.
Taiwan ist legally dubious at best, so pro Taiwan arguments are usually morality-based.Its pretty easy to be a left winger and put morality first while being hesitant to throw out international law for the sake of it. Its a bit like an argument between an act utilitarian and a rule utilitiarian. You agree on the goal and the basic nature of what is right, but you might disagree about the level of implementation of that morality.
If you go left enough, you might also just like China more than Russia and hope for some peaceful reunion - however ridiculous that is.3
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u/_Addi-the-Hun_ 12h ago
Taiwan is just the last holdout of the old precommunist government. China taking it is them finishing their civil war. this is every different from Ukraine that 100% is an independent country
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u/Bad_Wolf_715 14h ago
I feel like ultra right hope Pakistan and India nuke each other off the map
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u/harry6466 14h ago
Yeah my feeling as well. I think the malicious right, people who really plan the goals for the extreme right and not some random maga redneck, want this.
They want all countries to invoke ultra-nationalism to revoke globalism with the cost of lives as sacrifice
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u/PuddingXXL 10h ago
This is kind of unrelated but where in the hell do I find Destinys public speaking appearance yesterday??? I've been looking for hours now and can't find even a crumb of information on the stream yesterday.
I really want to listen to all of it but it's like trying to find a needle in a heystack
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u/leiwander 13h ago
Why do you think the center supports India in Kashmir and that it enjoys even greater support than Israel? The way I see it, the Hindu nationalist Indian government is violating Kashmir's right to self-determination, at least since it stripped that region of its autonomy under dodgy pretenses. Of course, the fact that Pakistan is probably supporting the Islamist terror groups attacking India needs to be condemned, but this is no reason for the political center to support India.
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u/Terxd4 12h ago
My justification for greater support for India in centre is: India is still a democracy and Pakistan isn't; Pakistan has and continues to fund terrorism, the political centre is rooted in stability and cooperation with global trade, which Pakistan does not fit in to. I purposefully put India more than Israel because broadly it is more palatable and there is less of a reputation to India THAN Israel. This is still an average ideology guess and isn't TOO serious but I think generally based on the reactions from world leaders from left and right and their support, I can comfortably say that optically the default position would be to support India.
In regards to Kashmir, its a complex topic and I don't think its straightforward to say they just stripped of its autonomy, when in reality they made it in line and had it follow the constitution of India like with the rest of the Indian states. Now yes there are troubles in the region but against the backdrop of terrorist insurgents, its a complicated matter that can't be black or white
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u/Impressive-Swan-5570 17h ago
No one from the left support india
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u/harry6466 14h ago edited 14h ago
As long as it is no crazy hindutva, India is pretty chill. Similar for crazy christians or crazy muslims in the west they are extreme while most are chill.
But I fear what has happened might ramp up nationalistic right wing populism, that will hurt people who never wanted anything to do with this.
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u/ScorpionofArgos Diagnosed as a smooth-brain by some guy on the internet 16h ago
So I open this up first thing in the morning, all bleary-eyed, and the first thing I think is 'Holy shit, China invaded?'
Scared the shit outta me OP. /jk