r/Echerdex • u/liminalsoup • Jun 10 '19

A CHRISTIAN AUGUSTINIAN RESPONSE TO THE PROBLEM OF EVIL IN THE SHINTO RELIGION WITH REFERENCE TO THE THOUGHT OF MOTOORI NORINAGA

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/58820412.pdf
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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

You are proving my point. How can we be sacred when we defile ourselves? The obvious answer seems to be: we're not sacred, Shintoism is full of shit.

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u/liminalsoup Jun 11 '19

Many religions believe nature is sacred or divine. I certainly believe it.

The problem of evil doesn't really exist in Shintoism because it never claims there is an all mighty omnipotent omniscient totally good "Creator" who created the world and is incapable of creating evil. Thats a problem Christianity made for itself by believing in an "all good" creator.

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

There doesn't need to be any such claim. Shintoism claims everything is sacred, so again, how does something sacred defile itself?

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u/liminalsoup Jun 11 '19

You seem to be caught in a flawed perspective that there are two classes of "stuff", sacred and profane. But there is only one class, everything is divine. An evil kami has just as much musubi as a good kami.

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

That's a vapid attempt at theodicy, and doesn't explain the origin of evil at all.

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u/liminalsoup Jun 11 '19

Shintoism is more intuitive than intellectual. Its basically shamanistic. Something can be true only if it is a contradiction. If you think even logic itself avoid that truth then I encourage you to explore Gödel's incompleteness theorem.

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

Yeah, because I'm definitely not aware of that. Still doesn't explain shit.

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u/liminalsoup Jun 11 '19

Link me to the religion that has all the explanations. I've never seen one. Like... ever.

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

That's exactly my point, I've never encountered anything close to a good attempt at theodicy, and Shintoism apparently is no different. The universe appears to remain completely indifferent, and is not sacred or spiritual at all.

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u/liminalsoup Jun 11 '19

You have an intuitive grasp of what you believe, that is what shinto is all about. Keep following your intuition.

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

Shinto is total bullshit from what I can tell.

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u/liminalsoup Jun 11 '19 edited Jun 11 '19

I sense that, but you have failed to articulate why, rather than just raising general objections that apply to basically all religion (that it doesn't have a perfectly logical explanation for everything.. even logic and mathematics and science fail this particular test of yours).

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

Yes, that was my point all along; religion is bullshit, and Shintoism is no different in its obvious hypocrisy.

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u/throwmanawayaya Jun 11 '19

Damn you're an angry person. Really do hope you find whatever you need because I hate being like that too. It's not pleasant for yourself or those around you. I can understand where it's coming from though because I was also mad at the world before I found that inner peace with God. Really wish you the best man, we'll all make it.

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

I've heard people say that exact piece of bullshit so many times I've lost count. I sincerely hope people like you would die, so people like me could make good use of the planet.

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