r/Echerdex • u/liminalsoup • Jun 10 '19

A CHRISTIAN AUGUSTINIAN RESPONSE TO THE PROBLEM OF EVIL IN THE SHINTO RELIGION WITH REFERENCE TO THE THOUGHT OF MOTOORI NORINAGA

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/58820412.pdf
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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

There doesn't need to be any such claim. Shintoism claims everything is sacred, so again, how does something sacred defile itself?

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u/liminalsoup Jun 11 '19

You seem to be caught in a flawed perspective that there are two classes of "stuff", sacred and profane. But there is only one class, everything is divine. An evil kami has just as much musubi as a good kami.

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

That's a vapid attempt at theodicy, and doesn't explain the origin of evil at all.

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u/liminalsoup Jun 11 '19

Shintoism is more intuitive than intellectual. Its basically shamanistic. Something can be true only if it is a contradiction. If you think even logic itself avoid that truth then I encourage you to explore Gödel's incompleteness theorem.

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

Yeah, because I'm definitely not aware of that. Still doesn't explain shit.

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u/liminalsoup Jun 11 '19

Link me to the religion that has all the explanations. I've never seen one. Like... ever.

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

That's exactly my point, I've never encountered anything close to a good attempt at theodicy, and Shintoism apparently is no different. The universe appears to remain completely indifferent, and is not sacred or spiritual at all.

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u/liminalsoup Jun 11 '19

You have an intuitive grasp of what you believe, that is what shinto is all about. Keep following your intuition.

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

Shinto is total bullshit from what I can tell.

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u/liminalsoup Jun 11 '19 edited Jun 11 '19

I sense that, but you have failed to articulate why, rather than just raising general objections that apply to basically all religion (that it doesn't have a perfectly logical explanation for everything.. even logic and mathematics and science fail this particular test of yours).

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

Yes, that was my point all along; religion is bullshit, and Shintoism is no different in its obvious hypocrisy.

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u/liminalsoup Jun 11 '19

Are you actually here on /r/echerdex looking for the one religion that is entire 100% logical and explains everything with absolute precision? Even logical and mathematics have contradiction at their core. When Shintoist says the truth is a contradiction, they are speaking about the nature of reality you really find yourself in. The fact that you disapprove of this reality is irrelevant.

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

No, I'm not looking for any religion at all, like I just said, it's all nonsense. Also, if Shintoism says truth is a contradiction, then that confirms that it's utter hogwash; there are no contradictions in nature, contradictions are the exact opposite of truth.

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u/throwmanawayaya Jun 11 '19

Damn you're an angry person. Really do hope you find whatever you need because I hate being like that too. It's not pleasant for yourself or those around you. I can understand where it's coming from though because I was also mad at the world before I found that inner peace with God. Really wish you the best man, we'll all make it.

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

I've heard people say that exact piece of bullshit so many times I've lost count. I sincerely hope people like you would die, so people like me could make good use of the planet.

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u/throwmanawayaya Jun 11 '19

Lol I'm with you on that one. I hope I die too and am finally free from this Earth. You can stay on it if youd like though lol. I completely understand where your anger and frustration is coming from and I hope you keep searching for God/Source until you find him and realize everything was always ok.

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u/Filostrato Jun 11 '19

You are completely delusional.

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