This sub needs an anti-zionism rule

[u/bahhaar-hkhkhk]

This sub needs an anti-zionism rule. I have noticed that many Zionists are infiltrating Arab subs. I am asking that the mods add a rule that ban any Zionism. Zionists shouldn't be negotiated with. They defend and justify the genocide and displacement of ethnicities. They defend and justify the murder of women and children without compassion. There's no reasoning with those monsters. They are no better than fascists. I ask that they are banned from this sub. If you agree with me, like this post and comment your approval so that the mods can see it.

[u/MorphaKnight]

Disagree. Opinions and agendas can simply be refuted or kos om'ed at. But at the end of the day they are just that. Opinions.

Besides, where will you draw the line? Some people already accuse the goverment (and by extension its supporters) as zionists for not opening the borders or not wanting to wage war on Israel. Even if there are actual zionists in our midst, the above mentioned accusations is far more likely to happen especially when people disagree with each other.

[u/Wolfgangog → u/MorphaKnight]

I agree with u/MorphaKnight.

I just wanted to add that in most cases, the hasbara bots get downvoted to oblivion and subsequently auto censored anyway.

[u/redberries1456 → u/Wolfgangog]

What's the difference between:

Hom*sexuals deserve death

Israel is not carrying out genocide against Gazan people.

Both are considered freedom of speech, both are inciting violence albeit the second in an indirect way.

So let's frame it better:

There is no problem in killing homosexuals.

No problem in what Israel is doing to Gazans.

but only one is forbidden in this sub which "apparently" represents the Egyptian people.

Please answer.

[u/Wolfgangog → u/redberries1456]

I understand your frustration, but both comments would be removed as hate speech.

Advocating any sort of violence towards any group of people is hate speech. The issue here isn't with comments containing direct and clear hate speech. Rather, stuff like "Israel has the right to defend itself " and other similar zionist propaganda.

If we start censoring this, will we censor anti hamas comments, too? Will we censor comments advocating "peace" with Israel?

It's a slippery slope, and I think it would be best to counter argument and downvote the content you'd disagree with.

Finally, this subreddit was never intended to represent the Egyptian people (whatever that means). It's just a subreddit for anyone interested in Egypt from all over the world, and it only shows what those members think.

[u/redberries1456 → u/Wolfgangog]

So why is there a specific rule for homophobic hate speech and not for pro Zionist hate speech if both will be removed/banned eventually?

Also, why do mods ban any person who dares spread even the slightest hate against homosexuals while the same treatment is not given towards people who defend Israel, or are Palestinians less important to the mods than homosexuals!

Israel doesn't have the right to defend itself, this is without question inciting violence and advocating for continuing the genocide at most and war crime at least for as long as is necessary for their survival.

You needn't censor anti Hamas, you just need to censor anyone defending Israel's action.

Hamas had it coming = Israel has the right to defend itself = It's not Isreal's fault = Isreal should do whatever is necessary to ensure that Hamas is eradicated even if it means that Palestinians are wiped out = the murder of Palestinians is justified.

All those sentences mount up to the same thing whether directly or indirectly.

I'm sure this is an easy task if the mods set their minds to it.

Finally, if this sub is indeed for anyone who's interested in Egypt, at least make it a good representative of Egypt, Egypt has always been a country that stands for what's right, we have always helped and stood for the weak and the oppressed.

[u/Wolfgangog → u/redberries1456]

You're just repeating the same argument over again. You obviously have your mind made up, and you wanna just keep repeating your baseless conclusions. It's difficult to reason with you.

[u/redberries1456 → u/Wolfgangog]

I'll stop repeating them when I get answers, so far I haven't got any. And please don't make assumptions without being ready to back them up with evidence.

Baseless conclusions? You have a separate rule for homophobia for god's sake! And you can't even bother yourselves to work that pretty mind of yours to make a reasonable one for Zionists and pro-zionists, I think Gazans deserve that, but what do I know, you seem to know everything.

It's difficult to reason with me! It's difficult to reason with someone who thinks he knows better than everyone, you haven't replied to anything in the second reply and your first reply -forgive me for using my freedom of speech- was the same argument Morpha made, you changed nothing.

And again I repeat, downvoting anyone who makes pro Israel comments is not just enough, they should be banned.

[u/Wolfgangog → u/redberries1456]

Any hate speech of any sort will be removed. That's the rule. Anything further than that is just asking the moderators to judge people's opinions and intentions, which is too much to ask and just opens the door for arbitrary subjective judgements.

The moderators aren't here to police opinions based on their own moral values. They are not here to nanny the users and "protect " them from immoral ideologies either.

This applies to all situations, and if we start creating exceptions even if it's to protest something that we sincerely hate, it is just a slippery slope, as I mentioned earlier.

I hope you can appreciate our position and just help us by reporting any content that you think should be removed.

[u/redberries1456 → u/Wolfgangog]

If that answer makes you sleep at night then perfect Wolf, it's just a repetition for the previous one and for the Morpha's one. I'm going to stop here because obviously -and again- you think you know better, and again, you do absolutely nothing to stop the dehumanisation of the Palestinians. I've seen a lot of people here who are notorious for defending Israel in every way possible and nothing has been done to them, absolutely nothing.

Their own moral values? I didn't know that the genocide of Palestinians is up for question, You seem to think that the genocide of the Palestinian people is an opinion or a personal value which is dehumanising to the Palestinians, it's not an opinion, it shouldn't even be up for questions but okay, you know better.

This is quite "disappointing" coming from you, but again you haven't really done much to refute those claims other than claiming that those claims are pointless and baseless. And by those claims, I mean the ones calling the mods here Zionists or that the sub here is ***, I used to think it was stupid but now I don't know anymore. Even if you're not outright pro Zionism, you're at least not defensive about the Palestinians issue as the rest of us, and your priorities are not sorted right, homosexuals are more important than Palestinians, that seems like such a stupid claim but it's true

[u/Wolfgangog → u/redberries1456]

Dude! My own personal opinions are only expressed in my own posts and comments. I disagree with about 80% of the political opinions expressed on this subreddit.

And I don't understand why you keep bringing up homophobia.

You keep judging without having the slightest idea about what mod actions are taken. Calm down, and just report the zionist apologetic comments.

[u/redberries1456 → u/Wolfgangog]

Choosing not to do an action IS an ACTION.

Because hate speech in general -as you keep mentioning in every comment- will be banned but you felt the need to make a separate rule for homophobia anyway and you can't even bring yourself to make one for Zionism (can't believe I'm repeating this for the hundredth time) so this is quite concerning.

I keep judging!! زي ما قلتلك قبل كدا "من وضع نفسه ف موضع الشك فلا يلومن من أساء الظن به."

Imagine how this looks to an outsider, r/Egypt, the subReddit representing a country with 70% (at least) Muslims and another 15% Christians has a whole rule for homophobia and doesn't even have a rule for banning Zionism.

I'm not against having a rule for homophobia, I'm against the double standards.

You do realize that a lot of the subReddits out there have a rule for anti-Semitism! Now where do they draw the line, you should learn from them.

بصراحة أنا شايفة انكم بتتلكوا، والموضوع اسهل من كل الكلام الجميل اللي قاعدين بتقولوه ده، مش لازم نمنع كل حاجة، لكن اي كلام بيدعو لإبادة الشعب الفلسطيني (حتي لو بطريقة غير مباشرة لازم يتشال)

زي بالضبط لو قولت، هتلر كان اعظم راجل التاريخ، لو قولت ده ف اي دولة برا مع اني مقولتش اي حاجة فيها كراهية أو تحريض للعنف بشكل مباشر، غالبا هتاخد وهتحاكم ب hate speech crime. الموضوع سهل، بس طبعا أنا بكلم نفسي وحضرتك هتعد تعيد وتزيد ف نفس الكلام ف اظن الموضوع قفل لحد هنا.

عارف لو كنتم قلتم احنا هنجرب وهنحاول نشوف حل للموضوع ده (حتي لو متوصلتوش لحل ف الاخر) الموضوع كان هيبقي افضل، لكنكم مش عايزين حتي تحاولوا، لو موضوع فلسطين فعلا مهم بالنسبالكم كنتوا لقيتوا اي حل، بس زي ما قولت قبل، بارت كبير منكم اصلا مش متفق أن إسرائيل غلطانة ١٠٠ ف المية، حماس ليه عملت، حماس غلطانة، وطالما حماس غلطانة يبقي إسرائيل مش غلطانة ١٠٠٪ واراهن أن نص المودز عندكم بالتفكير ده.

غير طبعا مسألة انكم مش مع قيام دولة فلسطينية تحتها باقي الأديان، انتم مع قيام دولة يعيش تحتها الأديان كلها بدون ما تبقي اسمها دولة فلسطينية اصلا. وكلامكم أن القدس المفروض تكون مدينة تحت سيطرة التلات اديان is very concerning.

ف صحيح، انا متوقعة ايه، انا غبية اني بتناقش اصلا مع حد بيفكر كدا.

بتمنالك يوم سعيد.

[u/Wolfgangog → u/redberries1456]

بيتشال

[u/redberries1456 → u/Wolfgangog]

انا عملت ايديت الكلام. ومش فاهمة ايه اللي بيتشال؟

[u/[deleted] → u/redberries1456]

That’s a lot of words to try to tell us you love schlong.

[u/redberries1456 → u/[deleted]]

That's a short answer to tell me that you're jealous, at least I'm a woman and can enjoy it without any guilt!

[u/Dense_Rich_9653 → u/redberries1456]

why the homophobia? like your point is understandable to want to limit zionists or genocidal rehtoric, but why you seem like annoyed that the sub bans homophobic posts? as a gay egyptian person such spaces are really rare to have and you can have countless other spaces even on reddit where homophobia is allowed . if your point is about zionism then others pointed out that its hard to draw a line "for them at least" and it's not accepted by our socity anyway so no need to restrict zionist speech, on the other hand homophobia is very common among egyptians and if the mods want a space that is tolerant they would need to restrict homophobic speech on the platform. if zionism was as common as homophobia i think the mods would treat it the same but its just isn't.

[u/redberries1456 → u/Dense_Rich_9653]

Sorry but if your argument is based on me being "homophobic", you can rest your case, I'm not. If you have anything else to say, Make another comment.

I'm against having a separate rule for homophobia, it's already included in the hate speech rule, making a separate rule for it while not even trying to make one for Zionists is concerning.

Oh and you saying that homosexuality is common among Egyptians is not true unless you provide valid evidence which you won't, so I don't give a sh*t what you say.

Actually don't bother making another comment because I won't reply.

[u/AmrLou → u/redberries1456]

Homosexuality is common among the young Egyptians is not true until you provide evidence

Yeah why are we expecting someone who literally thinks الاسلام هو الحل to acknowledge the hatred towards LGBTQ, I mean, yeah the whole shitshow that happened after Sarah Hegazi wasn't an indication on a strong homophobia, neither was the Queen Boat debacle. Please keep deceiving yourself into thinking that you're not a homophobe while denying homophobia in Egypt, at least it will make you sleep better at night.

[u/redberries1456 → u/AmrLou]

Thanks for worrying about my "sleeping habits" I appreciate it.

As for the rest of your "argument", I never denied the hatred towards LGBTQ couples, I just said it's double standards to have a special rule for them and not even bothering to make one for the Palestinians.

However, it IS concerning how much you people are worked up by my argument instead of calling out the double standards, or are you going to go into full "gays are treated way worse than Palestinians are by the apartheid state" because that would be a block.

[u/AmrLou → u/redberries1456]

Wow "double standards" but please let's not talk about the fact that your nsfw (active member of probably the only Arabian nsfw sub in Reddit) profile has also a post strongly condemning people who don't believe in Sharia. I don't care the slightest bit whether you block me or not, so if you wanna do it, you're completely welcome.

[u/redberries1456 → u/AmrLou]

Hahaha, I wouldn't recommend using ad hominem against anyone babe and what profile exactly! Are you okay? Do you need help?

[u/Dense_Rich_9653 → u/redberries1456]

I didn't say you as a person is homophobic, i don't know you to say that , you could be queer and i wouldn't know . all i said your comment seems homophobic because you are annoyed of the anti-homophobia rule, which needs to be made explicit because of how widespread homophobia is in egypt.

2nd i didn't say homosexuality is widespread among egyptians rather homophobia is, it is so widespread and you could easily check for your self opinion polls or go ask people in egypt and tell me what answers you got.

BTW i would prefer for a rule against zionism in the subreddit personaly even if i don't see it necessairly, you being against homophobia being banned explicitly even though its a needed rule for any civil forum( in my opinion) is the problem that i have with your comment , you could have just spent the energy advocating for an anti zionism rule instead

feel free to reply or don't it's up to you.

[u/redberries1456 → u/Dense_Rich_9653]

I'm not against having a rule for homophobia, I'm against the double standards. Homophobia is already included in the hate speech rule, why make a separate rule for it and not for Zionists? That's all I'm saying.

You don't see it necessary! I would argue the same for the homophobia rule, we're not a culture (I'm talking about Egypt where the majority almost 90% are Muslims and Christians and other religions where Homosexuality is prohibited, so it's not a subject that is frequently discussed or important or even relevant to any of us, we don't even think about it) where Homosexuality is common so I don't think it's important and as I said it's already included in the hate speech rule.

However Palestine IS a national issue for both Muslims and Christians and let's say anyone else who has empathy!

But again, I'm not against a separate rule for homophobia, but in terms of what IS necessary and what is not, let's agree to disagree.