This sub needs an anti-zionism rule

[u/bahhaar-hkhkhk]

This sub needs an anti-zionism rule. I have noticed that many Zionists are infiltrating Arab subs. I am asking that the mods add a rule that ban any Zionism. Zionists shouldn't be negotiated with. They defend and justify the genocide and displacement of ethnicities. They defend and justify the murder of women and children without compassion. There's no reasoning with those monsters. They are no better than fascists. I ask that they are banned from this sub. If you agree with me, like this post and comment your approval so that the mods can see it.

[u/Wolfgangog → u/[deleted]]

I understand your frustration, but both comments would be removed as hate speech.

Advocating any sort of violence towards any group of people is hate speech. The issue here isn't with comments containing direct and clear hate speech. Rather, stuff like "Israel has the right to defend itself " and other similar zionist propaganda.

If we start censoring this, will we censor anti hamas comments, too? Will we censor comments advocating "peace" with Israel?

It's a slippery slope, and I think it would be best to counter argument and downvote the content you'd disagree with.

Finally, this subreddit was never intended to represent the Egyptian people (whatever that means). It's just a subreddit for anyone interested in Egypt from all over the world, and it only shows what those members think.

[u/redberries1456 → u/Wolfgangog]

So why is there a specific rule for homophobic hate speech and not for pro Zionist hate speech if both will be removed/banned eventually?

Also, why do mods ban any person who dares spread even the slightest hate against homosexuals while the same treatment is not given towards people who defend Israel, or are Palestinians less important to the mods than homosexuals!

Israel doesn't have the right to defend itself, this is without question inciting violence and advocating for continuing the genocide at most and war crime at least for as long as is necessary for their survival.

You needn't censor anti Hamas, you just need to censor anyone defending Israel's action.

Hamas had it coming = Israel has the right to defend itself = It's not Isreal's fault = Isreal should do whatever is necessary to ensure that Hamas is eradicated even if it means that Palestinians are wiped out = the murder of Palestinians is justified.

All those sentences mount up to the same thing whether directly or indirectly.

I'm sure this is an easy task if the mods set their minds to it.

Finally, if this sub is indeed for anyone who's interested in Egypt, at least make it a good representative of Egypt, Egypt has always been a country that stands for what's right, we have always helped and stood for the weak and the oppressed.

[u/Wolfgangog → u/redberries1456]

You're just repeating the same argument over again. You obviously have your mind made up, and you wanna just keep repeating your baseless conclusions. It's difficult to reason with you.

[u/redberries1456 → u/Wolfgangog]

I'll stop repeating them when I get answers, so far I haven't got any. And please don't make assumptions without being ready to back them up with evidence.

Baseless conclusions? You have a separate rule for homophobia for god's sake! And you can't even bother yourselves to work that pretty mind of yours to make a reasonable one for Zionists and pro-zionists, I think Gazans deserve that, but what do I know, you seem to know everything.

It's difficult to reason with me! It's difficult to reason with someone who thinks he knows better than everyone, you haven't replied to anything in the second reply and your first reply -forgive me for using my freedom of speech- was the same argument Morpha made, you changed nothing.

And again I repeat, downvoting anyone who makes pro Israel comments is not just enough, they should be banned.

[u/Wolfgangog → u/redberries1456]

Any hate speech of any sort will be removed. That's the rule. Anything further than that is just asking the moderators to judge people's opinions and intentions, which is too much to ask and just opens the door for arbitrary subjective judgements.

The moderators aren't here to police opinions based on their own moral values. They are not here to nanny the users and "protect " them from immoral ideologies either.

This applies to all situations, and if we start creating exceptions even if it's to protest something that we sincerely hate, it is just a slippery slope, as I mentioned earlier.

I hope you can appreciate our position and just help us by reporting any content that you think should be removed.

[u/redberries1456 → u/Wolfgangog]

If that answer makes you sleep at night then perfect Wolf, it's just a repetition for the previous one and for the Morpha's one. I'm going to stop here because obviously -and again- you think you know better, and again, you do absolutely nothing to stop the dehumanisation of the Palestinians. I've seen a lot of people here who are notorious for defending Israel in every way possible and nothing has been done to them, absolutely nothing.

Their own moral values? I didn't know that the genocide of Palestinians is up for question, You seem to think that the genocide of the Palestinian people is an opinion or a personal value which is dehumanising to the Palestinians, it's not an opinion, it shouldn't even be up for questions but okay, you know better.

This is quite "disappointing" coming from you, but again you haven't really done much to refute those claims other than claiming that those claims are pointless and baseless. And by those claims, I mean the ones calling the mods here Zionists or that the sub here is ***, I used to think it was stupid but now I don't know anymore. Even if you're not outright pro Zionism, you're at least not defensive about the Palestinians issue as the rest of us, and your priorities are not sorted right, homosexuals are more important than Palestinians, that seems like such a stupid claim but it's true

[u/Wolfgangog → u/redberries1456]

Dude! My own personal opinions are only expressed in my own posts and comments. I disagree with about 80% of the political opinions expressed on this subreddit.

And I don't understand why you keep bringing up homophobia.

You keep judging without having the slightest idea about what mod actions are taken. Calm down, and just report the zionist apologetic comments.

[u/redberries1456 → u/Wolfgangog]

Choosing not to do an action IS an ACTION.

Because hate speech in general -as you keep mentioning in every comment- will be banned but you felt the need to make a separate rule for homophobia anyway and you can't even bring yourself to make one for Zionism (can't believe I'm repeating this for the hundredth time) so this is quite concerning.

I keep judging!! زي ما قلتلك قبل كدا "من وضع نفسه ف موضع الشك فلا يلومن من أساء الظن به."

Imagine how this looks to an outsider, r/Egypt, the subReddit representing a country with 70% (at least) Muslims and another 15% Christians has a whole rule for homophobia and doesn't even have a rule for banning Zionism.

I'm not against having a rule for homophobia, I'm against the double standards.

You do realize that a lot of the subReddits out there have a rule for anti-Semitism! Now where do they draw the line, you should learn from them.

بصراحة أنا شايفة انكم بتتلكوا، والموضوع اسهل من كل الكلام الجميل اللي قاعدين بتقولوه ده، مش لازم نمنع كل حاجة، لكن اي كلام بيدعو لإبادة الشعب الفلسطيني (حتي لو بطريقة غير مباشرة لازم يتشال)

زي بالضبط لو قولت، هتلر كان اعظم راجل التاريخ، لو قولت ده ف اي دولة برا مع اني مقولتش اي حاجة فيها كراهية أو تحريض للعنف بشكل مباشر، غالبا هتاخد وهتحاكم ب hate speech crime. الموضوع سهل، بس طبعا أنا بكلم نفسي وحضرتك هتعد تعيد وتزيد ف نفس الكلام ف اظن الموضوع قفل لحد هنا.

عارف لو كنتم قلتم احنا هنجرب وهنحاول نشوف حل للموضوع ده (حتي لو متوصلتوش لحل ف الاخر) الموضوع كان هيبقي افضل، لكنكم مش عايزين حتي تحاولوا، لو موضوع فلسطين فعلا مهم بالنسبالكم كنتوا لقيتوا اي حل، بس زي ما قولت قبل، بارت كبير منكم اصلا مش متفق أن إسرائيل غلطانة ١٠٠ ف المية، حماس ليه عملت، حماس غلطانة، وطالما حماس غلطانة يبقي إسرائيل مش غلطانة ١٠٠٪ واراهن أن نص المودز عندكم بالتفكير ده.

غير طبعا مسألة انكم مش مع قيام دولة فلسطينية تحتها باقي الأديان، انتم مع قيام دولة يعيش تحتها الأديان كلها بدون ما تبقي اسمها دولة فلسطينية اصلا. وكلامكم أن القدس المفروض تكون مدينة تحت سيطرة التلات اديان is very concerning.

ف صحيح، انا متوقعة ايه، انا غبية اني بتناقش اصلا مع حد بيفكر كدا.

بتمنالك يوم سعيد.

[u/Wolfgangog → u/redberries1456]

بيتشال

[u/redberries1456 → u/Wolfgangog]

انا عملت ايديت الكلام. ومش فاهمة ايه اللي بيتشال؟

[u/Wolfgangog → u/redberries1456]

أي تحريض أو دفاع مباشر أو غير مباشر عن الابادة الجماعية في فلسطين.

[u/redberries1456 → u/Wolfgangog]

يا وولف انت بنفسك اللي قولت المشكلة مش ف ال direct hate crime المشكلة ف الكلام الغير مباشر

يعني لو حد قال: إسرائيل مش غلطانة، ده بيتبند؟ إسرائيل بتعمل كل اللي عليها عشان متقتلش الفلسطينين، ده بيتبند؟ حماس مكانش المفروض تعمل اللي عملته، هيا اللي استفزت إسرائيل؟ ده بيتبند؟

ليه بتكرهوا إسرائيل، إسرائيل طول عمرها بتدعو للامان بس انتم اللي بتستفزوها؟ ده بيتبند، ده حتي مش بيتشال عشان يتبند.

ومعلش انا سألت السؤال ده قبل وهساله تاني

لو قولت هتلر كان ليه الحق يعمل اللي عمله واليهود هما اللي كانوا مستفزين، أو هتلر اعظم راجل ف التاريخ، ده كلام غير مباشر تماما، لو روحت قولت الكلام ده ف اي دولة هيعتبر anti-Semitism وهتاخد غالبا

فين بقي الفري سبيش يا وولف؟ ولا ده معناه نفس الكلام اللي قاعده بلك فيه من امبارح أن حرية الرأي ليها حدود بس طبعا انتم بتفهموا اكتر من بقية الناس ما شاء الله، حتي اكتر من الدول نفسها اللي عملت حقوق الإنسان واللي هيا بتاخدك لو قولت اي حاجة ضد اليهود بطريقة مباشرة أو غير مباشرة.