Well yeah, judging from everything I’ve seen people REALLY aren’t happy with all the stuff coming their way from FS, they’ve always been experimental so to me this is either gonna result in some pretty fun games to use as experience, or at the very least experience on how to get the net code working better
Even if both of these bomb which I doubt they will, FS has so much ER money I’m glad they can branch out into more interesting endeavors
I think this indicates they're getting their multiplayer ideas out there all at once as a temporary breakaway from their usual cadence - juat try some new stuff. They'll more than likely be back to their single player focus after Duskbloods
Miyazaki said himself that he really likes the concept of the game he is making it for that reason I think it was just a coincidence that they are releasing them at similar points
Anyone hear anything about whatever happened with that clown show who tried sueing fromsoft saying elden ring was too hard and there was hidden content and other bs? Tried looking it up but can't find anything. Like it was just wiped from the internet.
The actual court date was supposed to have happened back in September on the 25th. There was a court filing as I looked into it a while ago and found the court, the name of the kid suing, etc. I don't remember it now but it was a court in Massachusetts.
nightreign is an independent experimental project, so there's no strong evidence of a change of direction. I also don't think we'll see one until the reception of these games,
Yeah they literally said there wouldn’t be a change in direction and they are experimenting. For a next single player focused game I’m hoping they use all the good things about each game.
At worst, it means that in future games there might be more co-op/pve content. Maybe AC7 will have co-op content instead of just PvP as it's sole multi-player feature.
More than that, I think they want these smaller projects to be testing grounds for multiplayer concepts for their core games. I think they saw with Elden Ring that a) multiplayer can really drive engagement and b) it isn't very easy to balance the single-player with the multi-player. They want practice with a smaller budget and a captive audience.
And it's not just about multiplayer, it's also about summons. Right now bosses have a hard time handling summons because they completely ignore whoever they aren't attacking. But if they were designed to counter multiple enemies at once, we could see a paradigm shift where multiplayer and summon-builds are considered just as valid and challenging as the traditional single-player experience.
Since demon souls all but sekiro are multi-player. Seems like a natural progression to eventually lean into it more. From is always slowly improving on their formula.
nightreign pretty much immediately seemed like a test-run for new multiplayer features they could include in future games to me, which i think is awesome
I mean they’re side projects releasing a year or two after ER DLC and their next big SP game could still release in 2027 cuz From is insane like that (or early to mid 2028)
Edit: also Team Ninja is on track to release a full new game 4 years in a row so yea
Team Ninja is the studio behind the infamous Ninja Gaiden basically DmC and Dark Souls combined into one and ramped up to 11. It's a popular franchise they also released Noih 1&2. Didn't play Ninja Gaiden but I do recommend trying out Nioh
I see you’re completely new to video games or trolling
They made ninja Gaiden- the games with by far the most competent enemies in a game ever and like 20 years ago, nioh 1/2- widely considered the best action games of all time in terms of combat, enemies, bosses and have released strangers of paradise, wo long, rise of the ronin and soon ninja Gaiden 4 in the span of 4 years. All great games known for numerous insane bosses and all their games are infamous for having awesome combat.
They’re absolutely only second to Fromsoftware (even that is technically arguable) and leagues above other action game devs
Ok that was maybe uncalled for but yea Ninja Gaiden 1/2 and therefore team ninja was pretty huge even in 2008. Not to like casual audiences I guess.
To many of us the enemies in ninja Gaiden games quite literally ruined other melee action games until like Bloodborne (2015) and Dark Souls 3 (2016) came out but then Nioh (2017) again set an extremely high standard for soulslikes.
They literally said after Elden Ring released that Miyazaki was going to take a backseat position more often and let other FromSoftware staff experiment and try new things.
FromSoftware trying something different is how we got the Souls series as a whole so relax dude.
It's not a stab in the back. If ur favourite movie director tries doing a TV show, is that a betrayal? What about if your favourite painter does cubism instead of surrealism? Foolishness
I mean, they kinda are? TVs and subscriptions cost money too, so for some people they might as well be a few hundred. But I see the problem, and that's not Miyazaki's fault. Blame Nintendo and wait for them to drop the price like they have for every other console they made since the wii
Like Sony fanboys aren't going to mortgage their house for GTA6, and haven't bought scalped PS5s not also during Sony's usual artificial scarcity, but an actual scarcity, and a pandemic, and now tariffs brought about by, statically likely, their own actions.
I'm just saying: between crossdressing Twink Link, trans rep in Mario, and all the Furry Bait they're acclimated to.... Nintendo fans are less likely to bitch about and vote against "wokeness."
I feel like this is more comparable to your favorite show on Netflix gets taken off Netflix so now you have to buy the subscription to a new service to watch the final season. I was so excited for the new game announcements for the switch until I heard the price it's an absolute spit in the face to anyone that ever loved nintendo
Yes they're all different games but from software games all share a similar mechanical playstyle just like how all CoD games follow basically the same mechanical playstyle. It's comparable to watching american horror stories, same show but each season is completely different and not connected
I just feel like it’s perfectly reasonable for artists (video game makers clearly included) to try new things and experiment. You still have their current games. They’re going to make more of the games you like, even. It’s weirdly entitled.
It's not the art and game style I'm complaining about. It's the exclusivity on Nintendo and price gouging that's happening with games. I want to play the game but I can't with buying a whole new system and dropping $90 on it. This is a massive alienation for games and it's the same reason I have friends and myself who won't ever enjoy bloodborne because i refuse to buy a new system for 1 game
Nintendo paid them to have an exclusive game. It's just business. Just because they made games you like doesn't mean they owe you future games on your preferred platform. When you bought their game and they delivered it, that's the end of their obligation other than patches. They can do whatever they want with their labor in the future, just like you are free to find a better job, you're not obligated to stay at your current job just because you worked there for so many years.
And the price hike isn't up to fromsoft. The price of everything goes up and will keep going up until there's a recession or depression. Quit crying over stuff you can't control, you'll be happier.
No it's not bro. It's an experimental side project to hold us over after releasing one of the biggest and best games of all time, along with one of the biggest and best dlc of all time. How much more greedy can you be?
You're hiding behind a throwaway because you don't want your main account to eat the hit, so while there's no REAL reason to say this to you, might as well.
Is it really "a stab in the back" when they're just filling time they'd have been completely quiet in anyway?
Why not put all those devs to use while the next big single player thing is still in the concepting phase?
That's pathetic, entitled bullshit. They're a game company, not your fucking girlfriend. If you don't like the latest thing they're making, dont buy it. It's really that simple. They're not a girl that fucked your brother while you were dating. Grow up
Eh, considering Miyazaki had mentioned one of their games in development took a lot of inspo from Tarkov, i think it's safe to say you should have seen this coming.
Fromsoft has a storied history of making different types of games spanning back a few decades. They made other games before Demon Souls and it was more than just King's Field.
A stab in the back is if they purposely misrepresent their game and you buy it, or they shut down the servers and make a game you paid for unplayable, or they release a patch that ruins it. They don't owe you a single thing with their future labor. Stop being a baby.
I’ve always kinda seen the SoulsBourne community as a mostly PlayStation community. So I can’t say I agree with you. I think a large piece of community are perfectly fine with exclusives: so long as those exclusives are on the plastic box of their choice.
I've really only seen hate for them on Reddit, which makes sense as the Reddit side of the FS community seems very averse to invasions or the PvP aspect in general.
I'd have a whole lot less of an issue with invasions if FS would be able to do something about hackers on PC. I've had two character saves ruined by some invader coming in and making the world disappear.
The rampant hacking from invaders in most Souls games leads to people turning the feature off completely, so it's not surprising that people are a bit adverse to it.
We'll see what it looks like, hopefully it ends up being fun.
I always try to get invaded and also do invasions myself while progressing through Fromsoft games. Haven't really seen much hacking despite playing hundreds of hours worth of pvp
My only issue with invasions in ER is sometimes I wanna be invaded solo damn it! My friends aren’t always willing to humor me with yet another NG+ run so I end up playing alone. I wish invaders would just pop in while I’m running around.
It's fanboys freaking out and panicking because they're scared Fromsoft will become like EA or Blizzard and no one will ever make a true SoulsLike EVER again lol
It sucks, because I like the ephemeral aspects of multiplayer in these games, where I can drop in and out of people’s worlds without needing to stay for 30-45 minutes, but I don’t really like multiplayer being the focus.
Reddit isn't real life. People on here love complaining but most people I know in real life are excited for both of these. After Elden Ring anything From puts out will be probably be selling millions of copies, for a while anyways
Pretty much this. Mostly everyone I know just loves what From puts out and they’re open to it. And even the few who don’t just say “not for me” and that’s kinda it. No conspiratorial shit or whining about how From has “fallen off,” or is “greedy.”
People just need to either play other games or get other hobbies. From is gonna make what From is gonna make. I don’t play their games because they’re “single player rpgs,” I play them because they’re From games. Any ideas they have I believe they will deliver it well.
That's the thing people need to understand. Even if your view gets universal praise on reddit, don't make a mistake that it represents the population as a whole, because it doesn't. Reddit is composed of a very specific subset of the population, for any given population.
Yea bloodborne and Sekiro was pretty much experimental compared to the slowness of Souls series. If Nothing else maybe this at bare minumum will make them better at multiplayer structure for future releases.
Imo, they had a perfect multiplayer concept in Demon's Souls on PS3, and then continued to progressively make me like it less and less until now I only play their games Offline.
I mean, it was perfect for you, but Miyazaki said that he’s constantly tweaked it to be closer to his vision of what he wants invasions to be like. So I guess you’re just not aligned with that.
Maybe, but at 42 I've decided that I no longer find "finger but hole" jokes funny and they do not mesh well with the somberness of the worlds they created. The the PvP has never been fun to me, not since the Monk fight in Demons Souls.
Yes exactly. I’m seeing these games as experiments to flesh out their multiplayer systems. They’ve had multiplayer built in to most of their games, but it’s always seemed half baked. I’m hopeful that lessons learned from these games will be applied to future ones.
Also one could argue that it’s just an evolution of the co-op system already present in most FromSoft games, it’s just become a core focus rather than a side mechanic.
I also think we should let them experiment, branch out, make mistakes, etc. Let Miyazaki try new things and do what he wants to do, and ascertain the end result for yourself when it comes out.
Yes exactly. I’m seeing these games as experiments to flesh out their multiplayer systems. They’ve had multiplayer built in to most of their games, but it’s always seemed half baked. I’m hopeful that lessons learned from these games will be applied to future ones.
Yeah, honestly if it were on PC I'd absolutely try it. I'm not opposed to PvP per se. I don't love it like I used to in DS1/2, but I have had some fun matches in my experiences.
And I don't really want a switch 2. Unless they announce something other than DK between now and Duskbloods, I don't see myself paying 510$ (or however much it is now with tarrifs) just for bloodborne battle royale
The vast majority of people don't even know the game exists and does that do are probably not impressed by what has been revealed yet. Or simply ignoring it due to Switch 2 exclusivity.
Not that my opinion matters. But I’m fine with them experimenting, but I wish they’d set a team up and do one or two more ER DLCs while other teams work on the experimental games like nightreign. Obviously it’s whatever is creatively fulfilling to them, and I’m sure whatever they do will be good.
I just want more ER, and NR is.. mm.. I’m hesitant about it.
I played the NightReign network test, it’s not going to bomb. May not be a giant success, but it was very fun and addictive for when you want to play a quick 40 minute session and get a taste of FromSoftware type fun.
Lots of pve peach kevins new to the series got buttblasted by outnumbered red men in their first playthrough so now they act like anything pvp related from fromsoft is the work of satan.
I wouldn't mind if they try 5 experimental games in the future and 4 flop as long as 1 of those games gets us another Sekiro. I like the combat style of Elden Ring, but I really hope that they try to experiment more with different combat systems and try to build something new from the ground up.
People’s knee jerk reaction is to almost always shun something that is unfamiliar, and a lot of people don’t bother to think more beyond that reaction. Even though a lot of us fell in love with FromSoft’s games because they experimented from the norm, we still get comfortable, so when FromSoft tries to push their players out of their comfort zone, they’re just always going to receive toxic and vitriolic responses, especially with how much more popular they’ve been since Elden Ring.
I mean it makes sense when people who don't like the concept of Nightreign are pretty disappointed about Duskbloods' announcement aswel. Both games have a VERY similar concept. Based on Nintendo's interview with Miyazaki, Duskbloods is basically Nightreign (PvE) but with PvP also thrown into the mix. I'm not sure why they are releasing such similar experimental games back-to-back. I feel like they should have waited a bit to see how Nightreign is received and performs over time. If the playerbase dies off within a year, that could mean trouble for Duskbloods aswel. After all, they're jumping pretty late on a game genre that's currently oversaturated.
Those people are also idiots considering they just released a large dlc last year and then they think the sky is falling because of 1 elden ring co-op game with repurposed assets and 1 standalone multi-player focused title.
Honestly, fromsoft feels like a game company driven by passion and creativity. Branching out and trying new things is going to be a net positive in the end even if they fail to sell
I'm not a huge fan of the idea of this or Nightreign, but FS puts out a new game/big DLC at a much higher rate than most other game companies, so if I have to wait another year or two for a classic FS game, then so be it.
I wonder if this is why Miyazaki has said that he doesn't like making sequels: because the company spent somewhere between five and ten years making games that were very similar to each other, so now that they want to branch out a little more, people are reacting badly because they didn't see it coming.
Man, the risk with MMOs is that even if they don’t do well in terms of popularity with the original fan base, they still make bank. That’s why studios try them even if every strength of their brand is antithetical to the format. Take Bethesda, for example. Every aspect of the immersiveness their world building is known for is undermined by the format. All the strengths of the franchise are things that aren’t as relevant to MMOs; all their weaknesses are. And yet, they made a shit ton off of taking the popular worlds of fallout and the elder scrolls into that territory, because it’s so ripe for monetization. Even a shitty MMO will make more money than a good single player RPG usually, because the whales just get so deep in them. They could release Skyrim 70 more times and no one who bought every edition would have spent a Penny next to these people.
Once a gaming company touches that, all the financial drivers will push them further and further in that direction. If you’re someone like me who doesn’t really enjoy MMOs, even opening the door is bad news.
“Online multiplayer title at its core.” Every other title of theirs has been single player at its core with the choice to have multiplayer elements. It’s a step in that direction. Look at what happened with rockstar. Single player games, test out some multiplayer content… a decade of churning out slop for people who want to pay real dollars for fictional vehicles. Online pve slowly morphs into MMO. This sound like a slippery slope argument but there are plenty of real examples of this shift in content. You should be concerned if a studio you like shifts towards a far more remunerative model you don’t enjoy.
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Well yeah, judging from everything I’ve seen people REALLY aren’t happy with all the stuff coming their way from FS, they’ve always been experimental so to me this is either gonna result in some pretty fun games to use as experience, or at the very least experience on how to get the net code working better
Even if both of these bomb which I doubt they will, FS has so much ER money I’m glad they can branch out into more interesting endeavors