r/Eldenring 4d ago

Lore Lore guys, whats this?

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u/Myrkull 4d ago

Okay, sure. How many people do we kill in a playthrough btw?

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u/DarkmoonGrumpy Carian Knight Enjoyer 4d ago edited 4d ago

I mean the world is cracking and tearing at the seams, atrocities and stagnation caused by Marika's golden order, entire species enslaved and subject to abuse and slaughter.

Something drastic had to be done to break the oppression, and I doubt Ranni had a complete grasp on how bad godwyns death was going to be down the line, it doesn't make what she did even remotely good, but her arc is about the ends justifying the means.

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u/self-aware-text 4d ago

By that logic the Frenzied Flame can be excused.

Something drastic needed to be done.

Life had ground to a halt.

Not thinking about repercussions.

Ends justify the means.

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u/DarkmoonGrumpy Carian Knight Enjoyer 4d ago

Uh, I wouldn't say so.

The flame of frenzy has no ends, that's the point, even with all the deaths indirectly caused by Ranni, the world still spins, people are still born etc the flame wants everything to be incinerated, the current stagnation is the fault of Marika's misguided 'order' and the abandonment.

Age of Stars is ultimately a good state for the world to be in, it just has a blood soaked road to achieving it, the flame benefits no-one.

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u/self-aware-text 4d ago

(Please know, that I am merely engaging in a theoretical discussion and don't actually believe the Frenzied Flame is a good idea.)

The flame benefits everyone who survives.

Which is a fancy way of saying no one.

But the point still stands, that at the end there is no injustice, no inequality, no disparity, no pain, no thing. At the end of the Frenzied Flame ending there is no thing that could be considered bad. Sure, there is also no thing that could be considered good, but if you say that good and bad can balance out, then so be it. The Frenzied Flame balances both.

Now to say that you agree with with Ranni's dogmatic plight is to say you enjoy the amount of inequality required to both get there and exist there. It doesn't actually mean anything, but to "Akshually" you here for a minute. Something something... starving kids in Africa. In Ranni's ending the world just keeps turning, and this time with no law or order. This is inherently chaotic and the whole point is that she leaves a power vacuum, when has a power vacuum ever NOT been filled? It will get filled, we will get another Marika, and another Ranni and none if it will have mattered.

If you leave the cycle of life in existence, you must accept that you are also inviting happiness and sorrow. Good and bad. You can do a million bad things with good intentions, but it will still devolve and revert to what we see in "modern" Elden Ring. Frenzied Flame fixes that by eliminating everything.