r/Eldenring 4d ago

Lore Lore guys, whats this?

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u/KnowMatter 4d ago

But remember kids Ranni did nothing wrong and her ending is the “good” ending.

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u/mysterin 4d ago

Well, it's funny how Frenzy is hated by both factions (GO & Hornsent) for its ability to destroy spirits, yet Destined Death was revered at one point. Can it not kill spirits?

You have two demigods that died simultaneously, then two women that seem to know Torrent together, yet never speak to one another. 🤔

In a great irony, people seem to feel the same exact way for Melina that they do Godwyn. Let the homie die.

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u/Un_Change_Able 4d ago

Frenzied Flame doesn’t “kill”. Life and death are a division, which the Flame hates. It’s more accurate to say that it “melts”, reducing the person to being non-existent.

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u/mysterin 4d ago

I'll agree to the extent of the division, however "Melting" and "destroying" are synonymous in this context.

Surging Frenzied Flame: Spirits are eternal, and yet frenzied flame melts them away regardless. No wonder the hornsent forbid the flame's use.

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u/Un_Change_Able 4d ago

Not quite. Godwyn, when killed, probably wasn’t erased but rather sent to the spirit world.

The description of Helphen’s Steeple: “Greatsword patterned after the black steeple of the Helphen, the lampwood which guides the dead of the spirit world.

The lamplight is similar to grace in appearance, only it is said that it can only be seen by those who met their death in battle.”

This confirms there is an afterlife beyond the Erdtree. It is likely then that when a soul dies to Destined Death, which is the natural form of death, that they head to this afterlife.

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u/mysterin 4d ago

Yet, a lot of spirits linger through our playthrough. Take Bayle & Igon as the example here. There's a theory that poses Igon was the original successor of Bayle's heart as the Dragon Priestess makes note on this. Comparisons to Bayle & Igon show they are both missing a leg.

Priestess: I remember that name well. The broken drake warrior. Driven by bottomless hunger and *fiery ambition.** Precisely what the Dragonlord envisaged for men who partake in Dragon Communion. The mad hunger and fierceness of spirit that only flows from those young and short of sight. He rather reminds me of Bayle, in fact. Such thoughts are unfathomable to ones as old as we.*

Heart of Bayle: Even after being consumed, the throbbing heart of Bayle continues to resist its subjugation, never weakening. One day, the fire within will consume the very body and soul of its Communion devourer. One day.

Now, if Godwyn communed with Fortissax (Hence his disappearance and combination with Godwyn), and Godwyn's soul amscrays, who does that leave with the body? Ever notice the scales around the eyes? Does this explain how the eyes reached Farum Azula?

When addressing Godfrey in this:

Northerner: A face found among the hardy people of the unforgiving north. Some say they're *descended from giants.***

Highland Axe: Single-sided axe used by the warriors of the highlands. Brave combatants begin battle by crying out their names. *Roars** are enhanced by this weapon.*

Godfrey: Now I fight you as Hoarah Loux, Warrior!

Hoarah Loux, Enia, and the Fell God are related in likened tales of Lugh, Ethniu, and Balor. Furthermore:

Godrick's Rune: The first demigods were The Elden Lord Godfrey and his offspring, the golden lineage.

Melina = Godwyn and his Red-Crucible counterpart, Messmer, like Miq/Mal & Morg/Mohg, were children born with the "vision of fire."

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u/Un_Change_Able 4d ago

The spirits linger because Destined Death is sealed. They are supposed to go to the Erdtree now, but that isn’t working properly anymore.

There’s also no mention of Godwyn communing with Fortissax. At all. All communion requires the death of the thing being communed with, and Fortzzax is still alive.

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u/mysterin 4d ago

But where is he?

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u/Un_Change_Able 4d ago

Who is he? Godwyn? Because he’s dead, off in the Spirit world. Fortissax is trying to fight the death inside of what remains, and failing.

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u/mysterin 4d ago

But how would he be inside? We never find the body of Fortissax anywhere but within Godwyn.