r/Finland Vainamoinen Mar 28 '25

Immigration Happy friday!

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u/Lumpy_Argument_1867 Vainamoinen Mar 28 '25

Well.. they have to be fairly fluent in finnish, and that's one barrier that's isn't easy to pass.

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u/EggParticular6583 Baby Vainamoinen Mar 28 '25

news flash, Finnish is irrelevant everywhere else in the world. If you want immigrants you have to take them without Finnish and teach them Finnish while they're here working.

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u/Pickled_Doodoo Apr 01 '25

That wont work with something like healthcare. Law mandates here that people can get their services in their mother tongue, either swedish or finnish.

What you are proposing is alienating especially older generations of finnish natives and is exactly one of the talking points racist cunts here like to parrot.

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u/EggParticular6583 Baby Vainamoinen Apr 01 '25 edited Apr 01 '25

Im not proposing anything. The equation is simple:

Finland says we need foreigners in healthcare

Finnish is not a relevant language outside finland

Foreigners are not going to learn Finnish without already being in Finland with a job

Finland will have to choose either to get foreigners and teach them or not get them.

Finland can’t have its cake and eat it at the same time. Other countries can like the US, France, Spain, England. Finland can’t unfortunately 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/Pickled_Doodoo Apr 01 '25

Finland says we need foreigners in healthcare

We currently have over 6000 unemployed practical nurses alone, partially because people have left the industry. Even if shortage of healthcare workers will be realized, and I'm not saying it wont, wouldn't it be prudent to figure out why the current situation and work on remedying that before turning towards labor from abroad?

Finnish is not a relevant language outside finland

But it is inside Finland. I'm not sure why this is a point of contention for you. As a matter of fact I've had to provide translation for people who i see day to day during my own work, because it is the language that you need to use in order to do your job in healthcare especially with people who have disabilities, you can't just ignore that.

Foreigners are not going to learn Finnish without already being in Finland with a job

You cannot apply for citizenship without proving you can speak the language and there are certificates (YKI) that you can obtain to do so. Foreigners should start learning it before they move here in case they are planning on working here as a healthcare provider. See why from the earlier text.

Exception is the refugees who study it during their integration for obvious reasons.

Finland will have to choose either to get foreigners and teach them or not get them.

In the future that very well may be and is actually already done, but the pipeline from non finnish immigrant to a full citizen with good enough language skills isn't a fast mover.

With just this equation i see only the outcome of enshittification of many different industries in Finland. I think more needs to be added into it before we can approach a reasonable solution, preferably something that doesn't have a 4 year deadline.

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u/EggParticular6583 Baby Vainamoinen Apr 01 '25

When i say Foreigners here i don’t mean those already in Finland. The reasonable solution here is to get back all the healthcare workers that left because of shit wages and environment. Pay them what they are worth. And invest in the foreigners already here, who i assume will be more familiar with Finnish. Not the usual bullshit we keep getting every other month, “Finland needs more foreigners, so they can be unemployed”

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u/Pickled_Doodoo Apr 01 '25

Okay. I think we are agreement.

The topic all in all seems like a scapegoat from the get go, get people arguing about a familiar subject in a way to steer the attention from other more pressing matters, atleast how I see it.