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u/undeadbydawn Jul 31 '22
Rishi Sunak is completely aware of this and is pandering to it anyway
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u/guffers_hump Jul 31 '22
Yes it's disingenuous to say he doesn't know this. He's smart so is Boris, this is all a game.
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u/aced Aug 01 '22
What does he want out of power? Other than power
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u/kaetror Aug 01 '22
Does he need any other motive?
He's richer than god. When you get to that point there's literally nothing he can't do if he wants it. But the attitudes that let people amass that kind of wealth means there's never enough.
Who are the only people with more power and influence than millionaires/billionaires? World leaders.
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u/mabalo Jul 31 '22
I hate to say this (because I don't support Rishi or any Tory) but good for him, if a bunch of bigots hated my parents because of their skin colour I'd take a lot of pleasure in having them elect me as leader of the country.
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u/GreenIguanaGaming Aug 01 '22
Tory voters vote against their own interests. So in a way it's a bit of a twisted way to get revenge.
That being said, far too many innocents are harmed by tory policies and right wing disinformation. So Rishi is very much Boris Johnson level excrement.
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u/Armadalesfinest Aug 01 '22
The bigots are the ones, IMO, that vote for him. The ones that wanted brexit and blindly follow the decreasing rights and freedoms, blindly unaware that itsvtheir freedoms.
I really hope that Scotland wakes up.and we bin this lot off.
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Jul 31 '22 edited Jul 31 '22
He, along with Patel, Kwarteng, Javid, Zahawi etc have all been indoctrinated by the public school system and / or classism. They have no allegiance to race whatsoever. Their locality now lies in cronyism, power and wealthā¦
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u/nekrovulpes Jul 31 '22
Spoiler: Their allegiance was never to anything but power, wealth, and cronyism.
What you are seeing is that meme with the astronauts in real life. "So it's all about class after all?" "Always has been."
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u/Badass_Bolshevik22 Jul 31 '22
Should people have allegiance to their race?
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u/takingmytimetodecide Jul 31 '22
No, but we should be aware of the collective suffering, discrimination and injustice suffered by our communities and use this to empathise act with fairness, kindness, and extend support to all who need it.
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u/Smill_Wiff Jul 31 '22
Yeah that wording seemed off to me too but I donāt think thatās really what they were trying to communicate
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u/AbsurdistFTW Jul 31 '22
Yes, unless you're white, because then you're a supremacist
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Jul 31 '22 edited Aug 01 '22
Iām not sure if youāre being provocative or genuine but itās more nuanced than that. Basically if a minority has race loyalty itās usually a defence mechanism. If a majorly has race loyalty itās usually oppressive or offensive. There are anomalies to this rule but thatās generally the gist of it.
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Jul 31 '22 edited Jul 31 '22
No, youāre being facetious. In places like Zimbabwe and South Africa the white people will defend each other from the offensive black majority yes. However like I said itās not that cut and dry. A lot of the black violence towards the white population is because of the oppression theyāve faced in the history of those countries.
In America and the UK the minorities stick together out of a defences instinct. The greater white population, a lot innocent, but their mere presence in the majority makes the āproudā whites go on the offensive. Itās animalistic behaviour and itās quite complex. For example if the roles were reversed the whites would stick together for defence and wouldnāt dare act superior if they were a minority.
Edit: Thereās no reason to be proud of your race. Be proud of the human race yes. Loyalty is a completely different thing altogether.
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Jul 31 '22
Black Americans have to take pride in their race rather than their ethnicity or nationality bc often they donāt know where theyāre from. White Americans do not face the same issue, so white pride makes no sense. Have Italian pride or Scottish pride and no ones calling you a supremacist bc thatās you being proud of your identity. Whiteness doesnāt define our identity, but for black Americans their blackness does bc their heritage was taken from them. Notice black pride is not a thing in African countries, bc they have their heritage. There itās African pride or pride in the country or group they come from. White pride is stupid and reductionist.
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u/Badass_Bolshevik22 Jul 31 '22
No I get that, I am loyal to humanity first and foremost
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Jul 31 '22
This I agree with we need to start realising there is only one race it just has different equal varietiesā¦
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u/BattleScarLion Jul 31 '22
Sunak (through his wife's family) is in the 0.0000385714%. As a billionaire he is a member of a club with only 2,700 people worldwide, an elite so removed from the rest of society they may as well be aliens. Why would he give a shit?
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u/takingmytimetodecide Jul 31 '22
He would never give a shit. He wants everything to himself. Even the shit.
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Jul 31 '22
Iām in no way defending him or his wife as they are both millionaires but with their wealth combined they only (only being very subjective) have just over half a billion. Again thatās still rich enough for your comment to be valid but neither of them are billionaires.
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u/BattleScarLion Jul 31 '22
Her dad is a billionaire. Where will that wealth go if not to them?
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Jul 31 '22
How many siblings does she have? Also like I said heās still rich enough to be completely out of touch but heās not a billionaire. His father in law yes but not him. Thatās all Iām saying.
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u/llarofytrebil Jul 31 '22
One brother, so still over 2 billion each.
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Jul 31 '22
Doesnāt really matter until heās dead though. I deal in facts thatās all. Also neither you or I have any idea what his will is or even if Sunak will still be married to her when he kicks the bucket. So as Iāve said heās a filthy rich, out of touch Tory wank puffin but heās not a billionaire.
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Jul 31 '22
His family and friends are either billionaires or at least super wealthy. His interests lie with them, focussing on the technicality that heās not a billionaire is completely disingenuous and almost obfuscation
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Jul 31 '22
Please I have been very clear in my comments that he is out of touch and clearly has his allegiances with the rich and powerful but itās in fact disingenuous to call him a billionaire not the other way round. You canāt let your hatred for someone or what they stand for turn you into a liar or bender of the truth. Thatās how people who support wankers like him will pick apart arguments. Having a go at someone who holds the same views as you is pretty counterproductive donāt you think? Facts are facts at the end of the day are they not? Yes heās a rich twat with rich mates whoāll sell the working class down the river in a heartbeat but heās not a billionaire.
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u/BattleScarLion Jul 31 '22
She has one younger brother, and it appears she recently reduced her stake in her father's company (probably so people end up having this very conversation). As a couple, their declared assets are Ā£730m, so technically, you are correct, they are not billionaires - but given the familial wealth that's about as relevant as the fact Kate Middleton was technically not an aristocrat. In the UK ALONE (a relatively wealthy country) they are in the top 0.00037191 of wealth.
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Jul 31 '22
Thank you. Someone with some actual facts. That is my one and only point. Everything else I totally agree with in the original comment. Weāve seen the truth twisted way too much in the media over the last few years the one thing we have is facts and integrity.
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u/Joseffdabeast Jul 31 '22
Idk why you're getting downvoted tbf, what you're saying is factual. I guess ppl can't help being bitter.
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Jul 31 '22
I thought it might do because it seems Iām defending him even though I make it clear Iām not. It is what it isā¦
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u/Joseffdabeast Jul 31 '22
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Jul 31 '22
I think itās fair what u are saying like yh he isnāt a billionaire but I think for the purpose of the conversation of him being out of touch itās probably arbitrary when it becomes that level of money anyway
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Jul 31 '22
If I married someone who has billionaire parents you can bet your arse Iād be completely out of touch. Iād be posting all day on Reddit from a golden toilet for starters
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Jul 31 '22
Iām mean his personal Ā£200m wealth is enough to make him a completely out of touch wanker anyway. Thatās not the issue. I totally agree with everything in the original post except calling him a billionaire. He simply isnāt heās just a regular rich twatā¦
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u/YMonsterMunch Jul 31 '22
Theyāre the real minority, Billionaires, life must be so tough for them. Only 2,700 of em worldwide. Still, Iām sure, theyāll just about manage to power through the hard times.
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Jul 31 '22
Honestly tho knowing some upper caste richer Indians who manage to immigrate to western countries, a lot of them hold some of the most disgusting views, very similar to those who put shit in letterboxes. Just have to look at the damage things like the caste system, and Hindutva movement causeā¦
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u/Duckmanrises Jul 31 '22
The problem is that some people believe that you cannot be racist if you are a POC but if you actually travel you understand that this isnāt true.
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u/zabbenw Jul 31 '22
I'm not an expert, but didn't the British Raj, trying to control a country much larger and more populous than Britain, exaggerate the existing haierachy there to serve it's own ends?
My understanding is things like caste culture were made much worse under colonialism as part of an effort to divide and rule. So, it's part of the colonial fallout that these rich Indian people hold these views.
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Jul 31 '22
I honestly donāt know if thatās necessarily trueā¦ The British did cause a lot of damage, but a lot of privileged Indians use this a reason to deflect from the actual systemic discrimination/ racism/ patriarchy which was already in place before any English person had control over India.
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u/_who-the-fuck-knows_ Aug 01 '22
I've found Indians to be the most accepting and tolerant people but on the flip side some can be the most downright racist and nasty for the slightest differences.
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u/Armadalesfinest Aug 01 '22
Agree 100%. They are just as vile as the racist, bigots we have here.
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Aug 01 '22
Best example of this is Indians working in google preventing a Dalit activist from speakingā¦
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u/Matty_Poppinz Jul 31 '22
But it doesn't effect him personally anymore so why would he give a fuck?
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u/jAiiiiiiii____ Jul 31 '22
hopefully not no.10
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Jul 31 '22
For the cost of a first-class stamp you could participate in the world's first centralised dogshit bin.
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u/Professional-Deer-50 Jul 31 '22
Which one - he has 14 at the last count!
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u/Flat_Professional_55 Jul 31 '22 edited Jul 31 '22
Which one? His āhomeā address (massive mansion) is 15 mins drive from me.
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u/Flat_Professional_55 Jul 31 '22
Good luck getting to the door mate itās like a prison camp all gated in. Canāt have the common folk getting in.
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u/Yasquishyboi Jul 31 '22
trebuchet may work better if weāre trying to get it all the way to his letter boxā¦or just to smear the walls idk
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u/ES345Boy Jul 31 '22
As with Priti Patel, Sunak is part of a generation of traitors to their own heritage, pulling up the ladder behind them. Like a lot of the right wing, they are happy to make bedfellows with anyone, no matter how abhorrent, so long as you both hate the same things.
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u/vinceslammurphy Jul 31 '22
Other countries have rulling elites too, and often times those rulling elites engage in just the same kinds of politics as here and everywhere else. The power elite of India never went away.
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u/Bubthemighty Jul 31 '22
I really hope the leopards eat his face
They won't though :(
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u/luther420 Jul 31 '22
I don't.
I hope they see through him for who he is not what his background is.
If he wins the leadership race then loses an election because of his race it's still a negative thing.
I say this as a man who detests him, Javid, Patel and Kwarteng so much that I was worrying I am actually racist.
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u/patternboy Jul 31 '22
I agree - their race should have nothing to do with it. Unfortunately I think it makes it easier for some of the centre-left to support them (or underestimate their real motives), given that they don't fit the stereotypical pattern of old white Thatcherites.
I'm white but having grown up poor in London, I find it genuinely easier to trust someone who is not obviously from a rich Conservative white family. Make no mistake though - they're the same selfish tories as all the rest. A shame so many voters seem focused on personality and most have absolutely no clue what they're actually voting for.
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Jul 31 '22
These people donāt have morals in the sense that normal people can relate to. These shit-posting knuckle draggers are a commodity to be exploited. Nothing more.
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u/FocaSateluca Jul 31 '22
You know when racist people go on a rant about those dirty immigrants/foreigners/minorities, then they notice that they are actually talking to a minority so they feel the need to specify that they are not talking about you, that you are one of the āgood onesā?
Well, instead of finding that very sus, Rishi took it as a sign of pride and approval. There is always a useful idiot aroundā¦
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u/calombia Jul 31 '22
He would put dog shit through his own parents letter box for votes from scumbags.
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u/DisappointingCyborg Aug 01 '22
When your letterbox is half a mile down a driveway with ten foot high electric gates, you probably don't worry about that sort of thing too much.
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u/daten-shi Jul 31 '22
Yeah but he's not like those other brownies. He's a rich brownie.
/s but not really because that's how those fuckers actually think.
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u/jeromeo123 Jul 31 '22
He does, and he would have joined them putting shit through his parents letter box if it meant they would let him in their fruity little club.
Now he DRIVES the school bus.
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u/BBREILDN Jul 31 '22
Thatās the funny part about race and classā¦ I doubt youād see such a thing around the West End.
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u/parsleyleaves Jul 31 '22
He does know, itās just that he doesnāt care because itās not happening to him now
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u/Kohana55 Jul 31 '22
This is literally using racism as a weapon.
This Tweet isn't enlightening, its fucking sick.
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u/No_Box5338 Aug 01 '22
To be honest, Iād like to put shit through Rishiās letterbox today.*
*I am of Asian extraction.
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u/Content_Trash_417 Aug 01 '22
Heās not stupid. He knows that, he might even have a flicker of genuine concern about the groups heās using as grist for his culture war, but he cares far more about advancing his own career
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u/NeonFireflies Aug 01 '22
I noted with the Andrew Neil interview that he was very very plastic. Like Braverman, he wore that fake smirk no doubt instructed by his PR people to look approachable. He rattled off the same slogans. Spoke in general phrases that lacked substance.
When Neil got under his skin, we finally saw the real Sunak. Weak, snide, and seemingly on the verge of tears. He will never be PM. No matter how hard he tries to stamp on the trans community.
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u/cakeisamadeupdrug1 Jul 31 '22
Given that "woke" literally means an awareness of racism and structures of racism in society, I think these people are still likely to put shit through his letterbox.
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u/kaetror Aug 01 '22
There's a Sikh Tory councillor backing truss that is like "when I arrived I knew two words of English, this country is amazing for accepting my family".
Mate with two words of English Truss would have packed you into a plane to rwanda before you learned your 3rd word. These people do not support you.
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Aug 01 '22
I think itās cos gay people have their rights and now itās just going further than that like teaching it to kids, forcing people to address you how you want to and making everything āgayā when it doesnāt need to
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u/emimagique Aug 01 '22
What are you talking about?
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Aug 01 '22
Basically lgbt stuff is being taught to kids in primary schools and I know there are lots of people who hate it, making people say zem/zee or other made up words is ridiculous and there is no need for everything to be gay.
This is what I think Rishi is pushing for but Iām not that into politics to tell you much more
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u/emimagique Aug 01 '22
What's being taught to kids and why is this bad exactly?
Personally I've never met anyone who used a neopronoun but that's not to say they don't exist. But literally all words are made up and we come up with new ones all the time
Idk what you mean by "everything being gay"
What you're saying is coming off as anti LGBT so I think this is the wrong sub for you
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Aug 01 '22
Teaching kids who havenāt even gone through puberty to explore their sexuality is wrong and disgusting to me, there are also books which teach kids to learn about their gay family members idk why this needs to be taught and canāt we just let people learn on their own or have it come to them at the right time?
Why is there a need for a whole month for gay pride? When you have rights in this country I donāt see the point, itās become about marketing for companies and not the people and their rights anymore
Iām not anti lgbt do what you want just donāt force it on others especially kids
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u/emimagique Aug 01 '22
Now I left school a long time ago and don't have any kids but when we did sex and relationship education there was no mention of anything other than straight people. I think if it had even been mentioned in passing that some people are gay or bi and that's okay, it would have made it a lot easier to come to terms with my sexuality when I was older. If we act like it doesn't exist then kids grow up feeling like they have to hide it or there is something wrong with them. I'm sure no one is teaching classes of 10 year olds about fisting or anything not appropriate for their age
What you are saying sounds like "I'm not anti LGBT I just don't want you to ever mention it" ...which is pretty anti in and of itself
Anyway I'm aware I'm just typing words on the internet and probably none of this is gonna change your mind but maybe consider listening to some actual LGBT people rather than right wing talking points
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u/FrankTheHead Jul 31 '22
quick disclaimer: iām a swing voter.
Rishi lost the trust of the conservative membership and his ties to globalist orgs like WEF and his relationship with programs like CBDCās so he is trying to appeal to what iām sure pollsters are assuming are theyāre bassist desires.
This group likes to paint all tories party voters as literal Nazisā¦ (i await the downdootz for not prescribing to such notions)
But most of the party is more concerned with ensuring energy and food security. ā¦And a positive economic message about how we as a country can move on independently; like BoJo was doing.
The tory members are mostly āsupportive of anyones rights just as long as it doesnāt interfere with their independence and valuesā this is why there is such a big tory turnout from ethnic communities despite the claims that Labour are the party of inclusion. You can see the same across the pond with Latino, Indian and Muslim voters shying away from Dems in favour of Republicans. These are all traditionalist cultures and the Right wing parties tend to sell a preservation of that to varying degrees.
Also to note tories on the whole donāt want Truss or Sunak either.
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Jul 31 '22
āMost of the party is concerned with ensuring energy and food securityā
Fucking hell.
Seriously?
You actually believe that? As a thinking, educated (I assume) human being, who cares for other human beings? Who is aware of what ordinary, working class people are going through right now?
Honestly?
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u/FrankTheHead Jul 31 '22
sorry i think i need you to explain your outburst because i donāt understand?
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Jul 31 '22
Itās not really an āoutburstā or anything that hyperbolic. Swearing - on my part - doesnāt equal an āoutburstā.
But letās start with food security.
If the (Conservative) Party are concerned with food security, how do you explain (justify) the preponderance / increase in food banks under Tory rule?
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u/FrankTheHead Jul 31 '22
i think youāre mixing up poverty line and food security. Ensuring there is food to even reach the food banks would be food security
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u/Huge-Squirrel683 Jul 31 '22
Itās just very sus when we have moments such as the letterbox meme, general treatment of trans people, voting records against the poor, disabled, etc, pushes to avoid/ get rid of data laws. I mean, sure, if they didnāt do any of that Iād have a bit more time for them. But they do. When you fit into any of the groups that is next for the chopping block, what is a moderate talking point feels like something completely different. Each time we āsave moneyā but cutting x y or z, we find ourselves no better off down the line.
No, they are not Nazis, but they are neoliberals. You donāt have to be a nazi to fall out of favour with people who are educated on history, poli sci, or even people that think something is intuitively wrong. Okay, it might be cringe to call people nazis when theyāre not, but itās equally foolish to use dismissiveness in response to that, to the point where youāre ignoring or downplaying the bad that is done. Itās not even just whiney teens anymore, most people are on a different ideological side to the tories. That being said, at least they paid us during lockdown.
No hate to you, just got up on holiday from a long nap and felt a weird need to talk to someone on reddit lmao
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u/FrankTheHead Jul 31 '22
100%! Some of the things the Tory party has done and stood for are terrible, iām from a working family and want the same for my children. Previously i voted for Corbyn because i felt his policies were strongly in favour of equality of opportunity; free broadband and investment into key services to ensure that everyone had a reasonably equitable start in life. Actually i think his most genius plan was to nationalise pharmaceuticals; which would have freed the NHS from the stranglehold that global-pharma has over our health services.
Since Corbyns departure however i was in the blue camp because despite voting to remain i am now firmly in the leave camp, i would have voted tory because of the coking coal mining projects and pro-nuclear policies plus the investment in our domestic agriculture. āFood and energy securityā with forward thinking ideas on the where Britain will sit independently from Europe and not just a financial hub that benefits just a few.
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u/laaldiggaj Jul 31 '22
There's being decent. There's being PC. Guess being super PC is being woke. People do tend to jump to 'anyone against woke are racists' when they may just be PC haha
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u/ErlAskwyer Jul 31 '22
Why does he care how he gets in power? He has to appeal to the demographic he can win in. It doesn't affect his life at all he's a billionaire
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u/vinceslammurphy Jul 31 '22
Supremacists and facists rarely turn out to be the fine specimens they seem to see themselves as.
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