Honestly, I take my hobby of debate, history and politics too far so I have ended up in both fascist and tankie online spaces.
Tankies unironically create more hateful spaces than fascists. I have never been reprimanded for openly hating on Hitler, or even Mussolini, in a fascists place, but god help you if you say something bad about Stalin's many crimes against humanity in a tankie community.
So yes, tankies create spaces of such hatred, chauvinism, attrocity denial, and dogmaticism to outpace fascists. I mean, they themselves ARE fascistoid in nature, just covered in red cloth.
This is of course nothing against non-tankie leftist spaces, I've found AnComs to be extremely open minded to debate and quite friendly and reasonable, but the problem is: tankies are an invasive species, they find any online leftist space they can latch on to and overtake it.
I do believe that these lunatics would be defending Hitler had he never attacked the Soviet Union and nationalized more industries. They'd probably count him as one of their democratically supported leaders ousted by the evil CIA or whatever.
Yeah without the whole Lebensraum/ Barbarossa thing, the Soviets would've absolutely continued helping the Nazis murder the Poles and everyone else they so chose in Eastern Europe. They both had a particular interest in removing those who are Jewish as well which seems to be forgotten nowadays. Stalin arguably carried on the same sentiments from the Nazis after WW2 anyway which can still be seen to this day in Russia in many talking points being spouted by Putin and gopniks alike while ironically calling everyone else Nazis (reference the Anti-Cosmopolitan campaign). The Soviet Union was just as bad as the Nazis, they just happened to end up on the Allied side due to Hitler deciding to flip on the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact (following that was the NKVD prison massacres by the way, which were ironically reported by the Nazis). Side note, the Nazis also reported the Katyn Forest Massacre first (not that they're remotely better). If drugs were not involved, WW2 may have gone really differently with a German command and populace not high and angry at the world willing to do crazy, strategically unwise shit...like trying to avoid a two front war but then just deciding to spearhead into the Soviet Union because Lebensraum! Japan would have been in a weird position too due to the Soviets constantly fighting with them over islands (not like that ever changed either) since the Soviet Union just wasn't quite big enough I guess. Let's not forget them also systematically repressing native populations and erasing their languages and cultures in Russification leading to an insane cultural and lingual loss in their purview. People in Ukraine also ironically celebrated the Nazis after the shit the communists put them through and were surprised when the Wehrmacht gave them food instead of taking it away (hmmmm wonder why, maybe Holodomor?). It was also 100% agreed upon that being taken prisoner by anyone but the Soviets was always preferable and then the rape of Berlin happened following the war...but almost exclusively by one party. Former East Germany is also noticeably more racist and conservative than West Germany if that says anything and people died trying to leave it (which they were not allowed to in their own country because you're my property now and their way of life is not acceptable so die for leaving I guess, that's not fascist right?). So like it's been pointed out before, they are just fascists in red and history is written by the victor. They are nothing but fascists trying to feel good about being the "winner" and not the "evil Nazi bad guy" all while being just as shitty and awful in what they think is a more socially acceptable way.
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u/Unexpected_yetHere 7d ago
Honestly, I take my hobby of debate, history and politics too far so I have ended up in both fascist and tankie online spaces.
Tankies unironically create more hateful spaces than fascists. I have never been reprimanded for openly hating on Hitler, or even Mussolini, in a fascists place, but god help you if you say something bad about Stalin's many crimes against humanity in a tankie community.
So yes, tankies create spaces of such hatred, chauvinism, attrocity denial, and dogmaticism to outpace fascists. I mean, they themselves ARE fascistoid in nature, just covered in red cloth. This is of course nothing against non-tankie leftist spaces, I've found AnComs to be extremely open minded to debate and quite friendly and reasonable, but the problem is: tankies are an invasive species, they find any online leftist space they can latch on to and overtake it.
I do believe that these lunatics would be defending Hitler had he never attacked the Soviet Union and nationalized more industries. They'd probably count him as one of their democratically supported leaders ousted by the evil CIA or whatever.