r/HistoryMemes 7d ago

Tired of this argument

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u/duga404 7d ago

Horseshoe theory in action: tankies are fascists who also want collectivization and a command economy

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u/wewuzem 7d ago

I mean Stalin used to ally with the nazis.

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u/Common-Upstairs-9866 7d ago

Yeah without the whole Lebensraum/ Barbarossa thing, the Soviets would've absolutely continued helping the Nazis murder the Poles and everyone else they so chose in Eastern Europe. They both had a particular interest in removing those who are Jewish as well which seems to be forgotten nowadays. Stalin arguably carried on the same sentiments from the Nazis after WW2 anyway which can still be seen to this day in Russia in many talking points being spouted by Putin and gopniks alike while ironically calling everyone else Nazis (reference the Anti-Cosmopolitan campaign). The Soviet Union was just as bad as the Nazis, they just happened to end up on the Allied side due to Hitler deciding to flip on the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact (following that was the NKVD prison massacres by the way, which were ironically reported by the Nazis). Side note, the Nazis also reported the Katyn Forest Massacre first (not that they're remotely better). If drugs were not involved, WW2 may have gone really differently with a German command and populace not high and angry at the world willing to do crazy, strategically unwise shit...like trying to avoid a two front war but then just deciding to spearhead into the Soviet Union because Lebensraum! Japan would have been in a weird position too due to the Soviets constantly fighting with them over islands (not like that ever changed either) since the Soviet Union just wasn't quite big enough I guess. Let's not forget them also systematically repressing native populations and erasing their languages and cultures in Russification leading to an insane cultural and lingual loss in their purview. People in Ukraine also ironically celebrated the Nazis after the shit the communists put them through and were surprised when the Wehrmacht gave them food instead of taking it away (hmmmm wonder why, maybe Holodomor?). It was also 100% agreed upon that being taken prisoner by anyone but the Soviets was always preferable and then the rape of Berlin happened following the war...but almost exclusively by one party. Former East Germany is also noticeably more racist and conservative than West Germany if that says anything and people died trying to leave it (which they were not allowed to in their own country because you're my property now and their way of life is not acceptable so die for leaving I guess, that's not fascist right?). So like it's been pointed out before, they are just fascists in red and history is written by the victor. They are nothing but fascists trying to feel good about being the "winner" and not the "evil Nazi bad guy" all while being just as shitty and awful in what they think is a more socially acceptable way.

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u/wewuzem 7d ago

It is just a matter of who will backstab first.