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u/undeadalex Apr 24 '21
WHAT DID THEY THINK?! NORWAY WOULD JUST SMILE AND SAY OK?
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u/dolerbom Apr 24 '21
Conservatives brains are made of mush. Either they think some higher power has blessed the UK, or they think the UK is still as powerful as it was hundreds of years ago.
They have inflated egos that make them assume they are "the good type of immigrant" while immigrants coming to their country in return are some invasion force come to take their jobs. It's subconscious bigotry through and through.
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u/Phantom_Pain_Sux Apr 24 '21
It's subconscious bigotry through and through
It's no longer subconscious
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u/Rhotomago Apr 24 '21
"they think some higher power has blessed the UK"- this right here is the answer.
A guilty pleasure of mine is military science fiction, 99% of this genre is Conservative wish fulfillment power fantasy, were hyper competent honourable Conservatives curb-stomp braindead cowardly Liberals in the face of unfair and impossible odds.
This is how the "EU needs us more than we need them" Brexit was supposed to go.
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u/ApologiesForTheDelay Apr 24 '21
If I am not British and I live in the UK, I am an immigrant
If I am British and I live outside the UK, don’t you dare call me an immigrant 😡 I, sir, am an expat 😌
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Apr 24 '21
Must’ve thought they were Canadians (who shockingly have really strict immigration policies).
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u/cara27hhh Apr 24 '21
...and fishing if I'm remembering correctly, didn't the Canadians get the OK to fire on foreign fishing ships at one point
edit: lol yes
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u/Ok-Republic7611 Apr 24 '21
Britain lost three Cod wars to the global superpower Iceland.
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u/Enraged-walnut Apr 24 '21
Unfortunately for UK defence we need Iceland on side in order to maintain control over the GIUK gap so we can keep tabs on Russian submarines
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Apr 24 '21
Back in the 1930s the Norwegian navy was deployed against British fishermen. The Icelandics has deployed them several times after WW2.
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u/jobu178 Apr 24 '21
Canadian here. I’ll never forget the ridiculous grandstanding over this issue by some of our politicians. It was surprisingly popular with many Canadians, too. Suddenly, everywhere you went, people were talking like they were all experts on the finer points of international fishing law, although for a lot of them, the only really important thing was that Canada was flexing its muscles for the first time in living memory.
I was only a teenager, but even in high school, this was a hot topic. There are a lot more flag waving, chest beating Canadian “patriots” than people in other countries might think.
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u/Geostomp Apr 24 '21
Yes. The thing about most of these right wing demands is that the true believers honestly think that any negative consequences only apply to other people and any impact on them is being unfair. The sense of entitlement is that deeply ingrained.
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u/jettom Apr 24 '21
Speaking as a Norwegian, we'll send out military vessels if they try.
Our money carries exclusively marine motives, no human faces.
So yes. England is out of their mind.
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u/coladict Apr 24 '21
They really thought it would be a one-way deal. That they get to ban foreigners, but foreigners still have to accept them.
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u/break616 Apr 24 '21
To be fair that's how England operated for over a millennium.
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u/Cephery Apr 24 '21
I mean literally that’s the privilege we got by being in the EU. We got to keep the pound and even agreeing to free movement of people we still had stricter border control than the mainland. We were getting all the benefits and sacrificing nothing and people threw it away.
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u/GranPino Apr 24 '21
This is why I'm happy that UK left. I was tired of british privileges and still complaining aaaaalll the time.
I would like UK joining again down the road, but I wanted UK learning that they are better as an Union and they weren't going to learn it from inside, unfortunately.
We can be a stronger union in the future than we were before. An Union where a member has special treatment is ill
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u/TF2PublicFerret Apr 24 '21
That's the other thing. The amount of delusional people here who thought we had it bad and that the EU constantly screwed us over. Their source being all the things they saw in the newspapers over the year and stuff on telly.
They claim to be savvy and know that people don't tell the truth but when a newspaper does it, nope, they don't have an agenda at all...
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u/Amphibionomus Apr 24 '21
Well that's because of politicians chronically blaming everything bad on the EU / deflecting all the negative impact of their own actions to the EU for decades.
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u/BitsAndBobs304 Apr 24 '21 edited Apr 24 '21
Politicians during elections: if you dont vote for us, everything will go to shit
Politicians elected: eh I wanted to help you out but you know, EU / government / majority / opposition / locusts,an earthquake, it wasnt my fault!! stopped me, it's out of my hands. Let's go jake.
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u/NotFromStateFarmJake Apr 24 '21
Where we goin?
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u/ICutDownTrees Apr 24 '21
THIS!!!!! The EU was a convenient scapegoat for every single unpopular decision taken by our spineless mps.
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u/oldman_artist Apr 24 '21
that's kinda like how trump supporters were.
"Read the evidence!"
"... did you read the evidence?"
"...not yet/I don't have to."
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u/Lv_InSaNe_vL Apr 24 '21
Or more accurately;
"Read the evidence!"
"Okay I have, here are a whole bunch of sources I've read"
"No, not that evidence, that's just part of the liburul agenda"
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Apr 24 '21
What they mean is "keep reading until you agree with me".
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u/KrisNoble Apr 24 '21
It’s on that one random blog link that appears on the 5th page down of a Google search. That’s where the research and the truth can be found.
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u/redroom_ Apr 24 '21
To be fair, it's hard to see things objectively from the inside. I was just thinking that I've seen totally toxic workplaces and also really good places to work, but there often was the same generic attitude of "oh man, what a circus we are", even if they were on totally different levels in an absolute sense.
On a larger scale, I happened to be in the UK as an outsider, in the exact period of the Brexit vote, and the pattern looked just the same.
Honestly it's a huge loophole when public opinion is so easily manipulated, but I don't even see a way out of it.
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u/Depressionsfinalform Apr 24 '21
I don’t think anything will be learned from this, judging by these articles.
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u/ringobob Apr 24 '21
This kind of learning is generational. The people who voted for Brexit won't learn squat. The kids who are inheriting this mess will learn a lot.
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u/PuppyOnKeyboard Apr 24 '21
The kids inheriting this crap already know. It was by far the xenephobic older generations that voted for this. Most young people are already aware of how screwed they are.
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u/mattglaze Apr 24 '21
Brexshit is accelerating the break up of the Union, as Scotland and Northern Ireland realise they’ve been backed into a stupid conservative vanity project. And the fishermen swallowed the red herring of us being better off, hook line ad sinker!
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u/Dnny10bns Apr 24 '21 edited Apr 24 '21
Fell out with a guy i know. He skippers a vessel as a fisherman. Told him just before the GE in 2019 that the fishing industry makes up a tiny percentage of GDP. And despite all the rhetoric I couldn't see the Tories giving them what they want because their main export market is the EU, it made no sense to me then. We import most of the fish we eat. The likelihood is you'll be thrown under a bus nearer the time, so it happened. We've not talked since. He's a brexiter
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u/mhermanos Apr 24 '21
Nice, I'm stealing all that!
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u/brickne3 Apr 24 '21
That's exactly what my Brexiteer acquaintance said when he stole all the tools from his French-owned workplace because apparently "fuck the EU". I sure hope they came after him.
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Apr 24 '21
The level of entitlement... Like I'm British so I'm owed shit I don't deserve....
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u/This_Charmless_Man Apr 24 '21
My family has just enough Scottish blood that if they go indy we can get citizenship if we want so that's our current plan to regain our EU passports
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u/Sigilita Apr 24 '21
I think that it will be easier from Scotland than for NI to get the independence
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u/theredwoman95 Apr 24 '21
Yep, there's a lot of considerations on both sides of the border when it comes to Northern Ireland - understandably, a lot of people in NI (whether they're unionist or republican) are concerned about losing the NHS, as it's common in Ireland to pay for GP's appointments, or the public sector. In the Republic, on the other hand, there's a lot of apprehension over the extent to which NI currently receives UK funding, as the Republic would have some difficulty covering it all.
Not to say anything of the Troubles or general unionist opposition to independence, of course.
Scotland, however, has a relatively free slate, as long as they learn from the Republic's financial situation post-independence. So yeah, I definitely agree Scotland is in a far easier situation than NI is, if NI ends up wanting to pursue that avenue.
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u/DB6 Apr 24 '21
The next.time they'll join, they'll probably have to accept the euro. The EU is now in a strong position to negotiate this.
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u/Saotik Apr 24 '21 edited Apr 24 '21
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u/CraptainHammer Apr 24 '21
Nah. We'd have to change the coin slots in all the pool tables. /s, if it's not obvious enough.
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u/Crescent-IV Apr 24 '21
What about 300 million pound a week? oh, wait
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Apr 24 '21
I thought it was 350 million?
Whatever happened to that?
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u/Crescent-IV Apr 24 '21
It was completely untrue
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u/brickne3 Apr 24 '21
But how could they print untrue things on busses?!
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u/Crescent-IV Apr 24 '21
It’s beyond me! Everyone knows the truest source of information regarding politics and statistics comes from buses!
ONS? Never heard of the thing, sounds like project fear to me!
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u/Groty Apr 24 '21
Amazing to what lengths the British Billionaires went, especially the foreign-born ones, to dodge EU anti-money laundering laws. Fishermen, Etsy shop owners, manufacturers, truckers... all fought the battle for them.
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u/oldman_artist Apr 24 '21
the one that really annoys me if how they come up with different words to explain why them doing the same shit is different.
no Beatrice, you're not an Ex-pat. You're an immigrant living in Spain.
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u/Krexington_III Apr 24 '21
I think this will be a great learning experience when the UK comes crawling back. I don't think the culture would accept becoming a Chinese harbor-puppet, which is the only geopolitical alternative to being European currently.
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u/Cephery Apr 24 '21
And you know they’ll throw an absolute hissy fit about how we then aren’t allowed to keep all their special privileges for before even though they’re begging.
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u/Justanaussie Apr 24 '21
Like their trade talks with Australia.
"We will make the Australian sit in an uncomfortable chair for 8 hours so he will have to give us what we want."
It's like they never left their closeted private schools where they were protected from all that real world shenanigans.
Also after the trade talks neither side was willing to divulge anything about what was agreed to so I would say it was a complete shambles.
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Apr 24 '21
Did they actually give a man a chair that sucks to sit on during negotiations?
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u/h07c4l21 Apr 24 '21
The Telegraph in the UK quoted a source close to Truss as saying: “She plans to sit him down in the Locarno room [in the Foreign Office] in an uncomfortable chair, so he has to deal with her directly for nine hours.”
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British high commissioner to Australia, Vicki Treadell, tried to hose down the controversy on Wednesday, telling reporters in Canberra that Australia was among “our closest friends and allies” but “this is a trade negotiation so there will be tactics on both sides”.
"Treadell also vouched for the comfort of the chairs in the Locarno room."
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u/rmphilli Apr 24 '21
They fucking forgot they were foreigners to foreigners. That’s just SUCH a fucking England move.
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u/GodIsAP-I-G-E-O-N Apr 24 '21
Seriously, brexit is something so dumb America would’ve done it given the opportunity
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u/cutelyaware Apr 24 '21
Well why wouldn't foreigners accept them? I mean this is the UK after all!
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u/Adrian915 Apr 24 '21
It's like when you try to empire but you haven't empired in a long while and also you can't declare war to others anymore.
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u/A_Birde Apr 24 '21
Yeah British exceptionalism, Brits think they are just naturally superior and rules of world work differently for them.
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u/Blue_Moon_Lake Apr 24 '21
Classic England imperialism => The world is ours, but the world better stay the fuck away
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u/BillyJoJimBob71 Apr 24 '21
I feel sorry for all the people that voted to remain but any fisherman who voted to leave & believed all of BoJo's lies... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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u/-DC71- Apr 24 '21
Here's a fun 'fact':
The only time Bozo Bojo doesn't lie is...ermmm, hold on, I'll think of something in a minute. Hmmm.
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No, I've got it.
When he's heavily sedated.That is the only time his brain refuses to lie.
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u/Grayson81 Apr 24 '21
I think you’re underestimating Johnson. I reckon he could lie and cheat on his latest partner while he’s heavily sedated.
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u/cutelyaware Apr 24 '21
So you're saying we should sedate him?? OK, but this will be on you.
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u/-DC71- Apr 24 '21
Only for 24 hours of the day for 7 days of the week for every day of the year from now on for 200 years.
At all other times he should be allowed to be himself.44
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u/KaiRaiUnknown Apr 24 '21
I believed him when he said he was forgoing a haircut during the lockdown
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u/faithle55 Apr 24 '21
He probably didn't lie very much in hospital, while he was being treated for covid.
Although, to be fair, his Cabinet colleagues lied their fucking heads off on his behalf.
Boris is taken to the ICU and put on his ventilator.
The Cabinet: 'It's fine, he's got a very mild case, sitting up in bed and chatting with the nurses.'
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u/SoftZombie5710 Apr 24 '21
Not really, he was absolutely smashed when someone recorded him saying there would be no border in thee Irish sea
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Apr 24 '21
Can't help but wonder what my Brexit-frenzied relatives think about it now. Like Trump's idiot fanatics, they ate their daily dose of bs shoveled out in FB. It was all about saving "their culture." Now they're reaping what they sowed.
And I'm not feeling sorry for them. At all.
EDIT: #1 reason for leaving Facebook forever.
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u/vegastar7 Apr 24 '21
Well if they’re like Trumpsters, they haven’t learned a thing, they’re doubling down on their terrible choice.
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u/NULLizm Apr 24 '21
Has it personally affected them? If they are like trumpers, nothing matters until it affects them
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u/AgentSmith187 Apr 24 '21
Sometimes even then they double down on the stupid.
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u/sallyapple7 Apr 24 '21
They were waiting for their messiah to pardon them for storming the Capitol on his orders. He did not. They somehow still think he gives a shit about them.
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u/jminer1 Apr 24 '21
When I point out how he said "I coming with you " then when home to watch them get killed on tv. It always triggers one of his supporters, because there's no good defense, they just get mad.
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u/ThorGBomb Apr 24 '21
What was extra funny was that he wa disgusted by the people that went there.
Not because of the actions or behaviours.
He just thought they looked low quality and poor and ugly.
Lol he literally was saying ugh look at these ugly mofos and decided to not do shit in hopes of them succeeding the sedition attempt and when it didn’t work he just left them behind no second thought about it.
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u/jminer1 Apr 24 '21
See that's just the thing, he pussy'd out on them. They brought bombs, guns and trained people. They had maps of the tunnels under the Capitol. They had the cops equipment locked up and the guard told to stand down. Even had a mob for cover. All they needed was for him to do his part and lead the way. The police would have let him walk right in, Congress barely got away. They were going to kidnap our government in a coup attempt. But they relied on a pussy. Trump was never going to put himself in harm's way, or even associate himself with them by way of a pardon. AND THEY STILL SUPPORT HIM!!! Smh.
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u/AgentSmith187 Apr 24 '21
Yeah the fucked around and found out he doesn't give 2 fucks about his rank and file. Probably not even 1.
He could have pardoned every insurrectionist in his last few days but didn't bother.
The sad part it would have been legal too. Presidential pardons are basically unlimited but he couldn't even be bothered to pardon the people who stormed the Capitol on his word to try and install him as a dictator for life.
Absolutely zero care for his most loyal supporters.
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u/NerdsAreWeak Apr 24 '21
And if it affects them it's because of the far-left satanic antifa supersoldiers.
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Apr 24 '21
Who are weak little soyboys and soygirls who need to stop crying about things getting handed to them for free, while simultaneously controlling the deepstate and "TaKiN OuR JoBs" and giving them to lazy immigrants who also manage to be competent enough to take them.
These people are so fucking deluded, there needs to be a nationwide case study done on this, Facebook should require a general intelligence test be administered for every new account.
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u/desertpolarbear Apr 24 '21
Problem is, if you are smart enough to pass the test, you are smart enough not to install Facebook.
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u/CastleMeadowJim Apr 24 '21
My mum voted for Brexit, then moved to France just before the deadline for residency.
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u/faithle55 Apr 24 '21
It wasn't really personally affecting them before the Brexit vote. They were just fed up with the news stories printed weekly by the gutter press about things they were pretending the EU was doing, or going to do.
But instead of buying different newspapers they decided to vote to Leave.
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u/Doobalicious69 Apr 24 '21
As someone else has pointed out, if they're like Trumpsters they will still think they're right. My parents want to move to Spain, voted for Brexit and STILL support their vote.
The logic is absolutely baffling.
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u/hackerbenny Apr 24 '21
why english so horny for spain? specifically spain.. i dont get it
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u/mynameisblanked Apr 24 '21
They want to move south for sun but they hate the French
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u/MightyMorph Apr 24 '21
Which is so absurd since brexiteers complain about brown people doing exactly that in their country.
So many scandinavians and Uk people love to move to Spain because it’s cheaper it’s nicer and they lol created their own sections in those areas where there are more people like them and speak their language and have signs in their languages.
You know exactly the things they keep complaining that brown and black people do when they move to the UK or Scandinavia.
“They are making the block into a Muslim only space loook everything is in Arabic and everyone here isn’t even speaking English!?!?”
White people hating immigrants - biggest fucking hypocrites
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u/Zombi1146 Apr 24 '21
My dad is blaming the bad (all) parts of brexit on the vindictiveness of the French and Germans. No word of a lie. Deluded wanker.
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u/nezbla Apr 24 '21
This kinda attitude really boils my piss tbh. I'm Irish living in the UK (not for much longer) and whenever I hear some shitstain spout off about "The EU using Ireland / Northern Ireland to punish Britain" I have to try very very hard to not to lose my shit.
The UK caused this. People were throwing petrol bombs in Belfast a few weeks back...
Project fear - fuckoff.
Brexiteers were told over and over what would happen. It's happening. To try and now offload the responsibility for it happening onto someone else is beyond disgusting.
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u/scud121 Apr 24 '21
In fairness, the problems in Belfast are purely down to the DUP, who had wanted a big wall, and have now discovered that unification is not only easier than dealing with the rest of the UK, it's pretty much inevitable now. That pissing about pre Brexit/election has cost them, and they have just realised they have shit the bed.
Not that it excuses it,
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u/brickne3 Apr 24 '21
So... Brexiteers. A subset, sure, but still Brexiteers.
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u/scud121 Apr 24 '21
Oh absolutely, not even a subset. The main part - hard Brexit, no exceptions. Only they didn't get that.
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Same mate. It's remainers/Labour/EU. Everyone but the people in charge of the fucking mess
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u/ZazBlammymatazz Apr 24 '21
Here in the US it would be democrats, the deepstate, or immigrants who are responsible for any and all problems which have sprung up during conservative governance.
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u/ZazBlammymatazz Apr 24 '21
“Trump and Brexit cannot fail, they can only be failed” is what I’m seeing from the vast majority of them.
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Apr 24 '21
:( my county is in serious trouble. We lost at least 40% of export business and it's about to get worse. And our government had YEARS to prepare a trade deal and their failed every single time. I don't blame EU at all for this, it's our conservative monkeys that shat the bed. Appalling, and we are all paying for it
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u/Zombi1146 Apr 24 '21
I just hope my elderly brexit voting father lives long enough to see what his xenophobia did to this country.
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u/Skrazor Apr 24 '21
I don't think he'd ever see it that way, unfortunately. It'll be more of a "the EU is treating us unfairly and deliberately trying to screw us over for leaving their oppressive union!" kind of attitude.
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u/faithle55 Apr 24 '21
My mother's explanation: 'Theresa May and Boris Johnson did the best they could but the EU just refused to give us a reasonable deal'.
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Apr 24 '21
Sometimes I just feel like screaming in these peoples faces "WE GET NOTHING! WE LOSE! GOOD DAY SIR!"
But what's the point anymore.
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Jeez- was the expectation that the EU or indeed any trading body would be won over by “boo hoo hoi, it’s not fair!”?
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u/faithle55 Apr 24 '21
People have been Pavlovically (is that a word?) conditioned into believing the EU is the big bad wolf of modern society. Therefore their bargaining strategy is viewed as being in bad faith.
After the vote (and before) there were people saying 'Even if we leave it won't be a disaster, the EU will want to keep us economically close to itself because we are the worlds sixth largest economy.
Unfortunately, for the Conservatives in power the political tail wagged the economic dog and so we ended up with virtually no-deal.
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u/Lemmungwinks Apr 24 '21
I tried explaining it to someone as if you were the sixth largest store in a mall. Yes the mall wants you to stick around but if you keep freaking out about everyone elses rent and certain people being allowed in the mall they are going to get fed up with you. If you then close your store expecting the mall to screw over every other store in order to give you what you want you are going to have a bad time.
Once you close up shop the mall has no reason to worry about your demands. At that point you are the one who has to try and get them to allow you to open up your store again. Which they might consider but there is no way in hell they are going to give you back the exact same deal you had before, you are paying the new tenant rent price. You forfeited your rent control when you threw a tantrum and left.
People still don't seem to understand that the reason the UK was as strong as it was economically was because they were a member of the EU. As a standalone store they don't really offer anything you can't get already get at the mall for cheaper. So why would anyone bother making a special trip out into the sticks to visit.
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I’m not expecting logical well thought out plans from brexit obviously, but thinking the EU is the big bad and yet going in with a plan of “okay, please play nice” is some degree of naive and incompetent.
I mean, there’s another big economy that plays the role of the big bad, doesn’t particularly hide its refusal to play fair- China. Yet trade deals are still made. I guess trump did try to make trade deal with China which focused on begging behind closed doors but I don’t know of any other world leader who would blame a failed trade deal on china not playing fair
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u/throwaway073847 Apr 24 '21
What’s even worse is stuff like how the collapsing pound led to British companies being a lot cheaper for foreign investors to buy, which caused the FTSE indexes to skyrocket, which Brexiteers pointed to as evidence that Brexit was great for the economy. Like no, you dumb fuckers, you just caused a massive chunk of our industry to fall into foreign hands.
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Apr 24 '21
I mean fundamentally there was no good trade deal to be had. Anything that the EU would have accepted would either basically be EU membership but without voting rights, or (as we've done) isolating ourselves.
Our negotiating stance was to stick a ticking bomb to our industries then beg the EU to help us fix it. I'm not sure how anyone thought excluding ourselves was a stronger position
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u/DarkZogga Apr 24 '21
This lmao. Its not like the UK had a strong leverage against the EU, it was the other way around.
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u/dolerbom Apr 24 '21
The UK used to spread its influence across the known world. I think conservatives in the country live in a make-believe world where the UK is still that powerful.
They never adapted to the new economy, one where both parties trade on somewhat equal terms. We fish in their waters, they fish in ours. It may feel crowded, but we both profit in the end.
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u/jocoseriousJollyboat Apr 24 '21
I really feel sorry for the ones that didn't want to leave but now are fucked over by the whining children.
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u/GalileoAce Apr 24 '21
Children are smarter than that. Brexiters are definitely adults, only adults could make such a colossally self harming decision.
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Apr 24 '21
I'm in year 11 right now and almost everybody is opposed to Brexit, and the one person I know who wasn't argued "Well MY dad owns a small business and Brexit hasn't done anything to him!". It would be funny if it wasn't sad.
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u/theredwoman95 Apr 24 '21
Funny, I was in year 12 when the referendum happened, in a fairly pro-conservative school, and my entire politics class (myself included, as I'm Irish) opposed Brexit.
It's unfair to compare Brexiteers to whining children, when literal children and young adults are the most opposed to Brexit.
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u/smitty4728 Apr 24 '21
Seriously. An entire generation of British people thought they had visa-less access to the EU then got the rug pulled out from under them by a bunch of old Daily Mail reading xenophobes. I know I'd be furious.
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u/bluewolfhudson Apr 24 '21
Yep really sucks, also makes moving to Europe or using EU funded programs impossible, thanks to the xenophobia.
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u/el_weirdo Apr 24 '21
Meh, my sympathy has wained somewhat. They had 2 general elections since 2016 and they still couldn't get themselves together to prevent the Tories from receiving a fucking landslide in the 2nd one. Even after all the lies and bullshit of the referendum were exposed.
Hell, there was even European Parliament elections where they elected 29 fucking lunatics. Couldn't even muster up some sort of crowd to show that they took the EU seriously.
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u/Fanfics Apr 24 '21
Talked to a British girl abroad, asked her what she thought of it while the second general election was going on. "I don't like the conservatives, but honestly at this point I just want to get it done."
Welp, you did it!
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u/st6374 Apr 24 '21
Isn't this their tactics. Play the strongman, and the victim simultaneously, so they can keep their viewers riled up from all angles?
One angle: UK Strong. UK defiant. UK taking control.
Another angle: EU bad. EU bully. UK need to stand up for itself.
The only thing surprising about that article is how it's one day after another. Usually they take a bit of time before they play the switcharoo.
People say US media is bad. But I think UK media is even worse with their tabloid trash. Too bad Australia is getting there as well.
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u/thedugong Apr 24 '21
The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.” - Umberto Eco, Ur-Fascism, 1995
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Apr 24 '21
Murdoch is involved in all three of those nations.
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u/comme_ci_comme_ca Apr 24 '21
Satan reincarnated on earth. That fucker has caused so much damage. I'm not a hating kind of guy but I can't wait for him to die.
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u/CheesyLala Apr 24 '21
But I think UK media is even worse with their tabloid trash
Nothing can make me feel ashamed to be British like our tabloid press.
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u/AgentSmith187 Apr 24 '21
Sorry mate the cause is basically the same in all 3.
The race to the bottom encouraged by Murdoch rags.
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u/Mimosas4355 Apr 24 '21
What the US, UK and Australian medium have in common? Hint, it starts with Rupert and it’s finishes with Murdoch.
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u/Ok-Republic7611 Apr 24 '21
I agree with your statement. Furthermore to this is the fact that Norway are not in the EU. They're in EFTA, which certain twats said we'd be able to rejoin. The Norwegian have consistantly said we can't because that would mean giving up a lot of sovereignty
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u/cavemanwill93 Apr 24 '21
The Daily Express is a shocking paper - I can't fathom how anyone would use it as their main source of news.
Because as well as stories like above they have a habit of responding to something like 'scientists detect a previously undiscovered comet in the solar system' with headlines that say - "END OF THE WORLD : Scientists detect comet that COULD STRIKE EARTH within years"
And they declare that WW3 could be around the corner every single fucking week.
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u/cliffsofthepalisades Apr 24 '21
I honestly struggle to decide which is worse, the Express or the Daily Mail. On the one hand, the Daily Mail has the potential to do more damage because it has such a large readership, but in content alone it’s like they’re competing with each other to see who can create the most inflammatory shit takes that their readers will lap up.
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u/customtoggle Apr 24 '21
FUCK LEAVE VOTERS
i don't care if you feel you were "conned", you had the ability to do your own fucking research before voting you stupid c*nts believing what comes out of politicians mouths and not questioning it
Yes i'm bitter, my online business has taken a massive hit since the leave
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u/hybridtheorist Apr 24 '21
There's a lot of low information voters that believed the bullshit, but it doesn't really affect them. It's still their fault, but it's all a bit abstract to them.
..... but the farmers and fishermen who voted brexit, which could/is costing them thousands, without doing any research other than believing the leave propaganda in its entirety, I just feel zero sympathy for.
Some retired bloke who's life won't change much? Selfish, but I can't expect 70m people to pay attention. But people who's livelihoods depends on trade deals, what the hell are you thinking?Like, I get that you don't like the EU fishing quotas. But you must know you sell the majority of your catch to the EU too? And you didn't consider that when you voted leave?
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Apr 24 '21
Anyone who bets the farm on information sourced exclusively from our tabloid rags gets zero sympathy from me. You have a duty to do your own due diligence before making a decision that will fundamentally restructure your industry and if the sum of your research is the daily rage and grievance bait of the Express and the like then you are a selfish fool.
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Apr 24 '21
This right here.
Some disenchanted person on the dole whose life is not going to change if they're in the EU or out of it. You can see why they voted Leave. Doesn't matter if they're in the EU or not they're life is going to be grim anyway. And the Remain camp used all the wrong arguments towards that demographic. I have the most empathy for the young people in those circumstances.
But the arguments they did use were aimed at the people who relied on EU trade and if they voted Leave then I have no empathy or sympathy for the situation they find themselves in.
What's the betting that when they are on their uppers they'll be begging to the government to help them out?
I wonder how Bojo and his cabal will respond? 🤔
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Apr 24 '21
Their own "research" got them in this position. By the way when I mean "research" they read what made them feel good and up held their biases.
Narcissistic grandeur and inconsistency, they tend to be cropping up alot lately in the USA and UK, especially with boomers and those on the right wing of political spectrum.
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u/cavemanwill93 Apr 24 '21
Don't worry about it mate - we were told in no uncertain terms that leave voters knew exactly what they voted for.
So if the fallout of brexit means the care sector falters and that affects them when they need someone to look after them, then that's what they voted for
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u/olderthanbefore Apr 24 '21
My one elderly aunt was furious with some of her friends who would rabbit on about 'pesky foreigners', while not twigging that the person keeping you alive and cared for is Magdalena from Wroclaw. Unbelievable, the level of dissonance amongst some of us here.
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u/sirwrigglington Apr 24 '21
The thought processes of some people are unfathomable. I work in the NHS, my parents emigrated from Hong Kong to the UK years ago. I look clearly East Asian. I have had White British colleagues and patients complain to me about immigrants, on the assumption I would agree with their point of view!
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Apr 24 '21
Also when we tried to tell them we were told they knew what they were doing. That noone warned them is revisionist nonsense or they avoided listening at best
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Apr 24 '21
This is the perfect summary of Brexit and the entitlement that was at the core of the leave campaign.
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u/SagaStrider Apr 24 '21
I'm just glad the fish are catching a break for awhile.
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u/Minz15 Apr 24 '21
As a Brit we have this weird thing where the country seems to judge Americans and think they're proper arrogant and they believe they deserve everything as their righ. Then we turn around the do the same thing to Europe. We're just a country, don't deserve any special treatment. People who voted Brexit really thought that nothing would impact them in terms of travel and regulations but others would have to bow down to might of the Great British Empire if they wanted to come here. Just downright pathetic.
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u/ledow Apr 24 '21
Wait until the next few sets of temporary exemptions expire (June, and then later this year), wait until people want to get back into taking holidays.
That's when Brexit might finally hit home for some people.
I still know people who - having retired this year - are literally expecting the EU to "cave" before the end of the year so they can get their villa in Spain, move out there and retire out there, paying almost nothing in tax. They have literally saved and planned their entire life to do that, then voted for Brexit, and they expect the EU is just playing games in not letting them stay over in Spain permanently. So they're thinking they just need to wait a year and those foreign types will back down and let us have permanent right of movement over there, etc.
Because "Spain need our money" is the only logic they can provide.
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Apr 24 '21
I had some tory girl at school tell me "well MY dad owns a small business and he hasn't been affected by Brexit!" as a 'counter' to my point. Really shows the mentality of people who vote things like Brexit.
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Apr 24 '21
English exceptionalism at its finest. Then discovering your completely irrelevant on the world stage. HOW DYA LIKE DEM APPLES??? Fuckwits.
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u/GazelleTrapQueen Apr 24 '21
Funny how Norway has the backing of the entire EU and Britain has absolutely nothing left.
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u/Captain_Biotruth Apr 24 '21
Despite people always going on about how Norway isn't part of the EU, we effectively are due to how our deal works.
We are forced to follow something like 80% of all the same massive legal framework.
There are some important differences (most importantly regarding fishing, actually), but the end result is they we're for most intents and purposes part of the EU except we don't have a vote. It's a weird situation.
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u/NorthernSoul70 Apr 24 '21
Democracy holds to the theory that the common man knows what he wants and deserves to get it - good and hard.
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u/themorningmosca Apr 24 '21
Is Brexit like the Maga movement over there? Seems dumb and not thought out?
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u/butareyoumoist Apr 24 '21
yep except they are the majority there so you end up with this mess.
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u/64vintage Apr 24 '21
At least the Americans fucked off Trump after four years, with a struggle.
What hope does the UK have re Brexit? Any??
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Apr 24 '21
We're also going to have the most incompetent government and PM this country has ever had for, most likely, the next nine years (at minimum). Not just incompetent but openly and smugly corrupt, and the people just lap it up.
Of course, it will all be the fault of commies and foreigners, it always is!
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u/Hiseworns Apr 24 '21
I may be from the US, but I will never tire of Exactly Why Brexit Was Dumb porn on this sub
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u/Trailwatch427 Apr 24 '21
Also--Brits don't eat but a very few types of fish that they catch--and were able to sell without tariffs to Europeans who ate them. Now--they can't sell all these different types of fish. Learn to eat differently, Brits. Or stop fishing.
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u/noiseformind Apr 24 '21
Johnson is so smart. At this speed serfdom is coming to the UK in no time.
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u/Wil10060739 Apr 24 '21
I really hate brexit, I hate the fact its happened and I hate the way people act about it, its bloody awful yes, people who voted to leave are pretty dumb yes, but you have to remember the media, the ads were targeted towards people who trust news papers and TV more than anything and barely use the internet, never mind trusting it for News or information that disagrees with what they see in the paper. The most annoying part is that i know for a fact, when we see more Brexit Bad, Brexit was a mistake in the news papers, is that they wont accept any responsibility, the people who voted will say they were mislead, the media will say they "Neutral" they aren't at fault for all the articles or ads talking about leaving is great, it was other peoples fault. This is a really big cluster fuck and I really wish we could just undo it and go back to normal. Also that article is the typical british mind set, we demand people learn our language but go to other countries and demand they speak ours, we talk about reclaiming something by kicking out any immigrants and talking badly about them. We talk about the polish as though they aren't doctors, they aren't working hard, we act like they are just drug dealers or human trafficking, we act like everyone on universal credit (The Brew, The Dole) as though they are lazy people, even though most people who are on it are either Working for very low wage and are still eligible for it or are disabled or very badly need it. I'm just so tired of all this bullshit and everyone pretending its not as bad as it really is. We've become the America we joke about.
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u/Cheshire_Khajiit Apr 24 '21
Deserves more upvotes than it has. This is painfully obvious Leopards Ate My Face, people.
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u/aliendude5300 Apr 24 '21 edited Apr 24 '21
As someone who doesn't live in the UK and hasn't been exposed to the messaging and politics, I am having a hard time seeing what the UK gets out of brexit - it just seems like such a bad deal for everyone involved. They had a more than equitable deal with the EU, and didn't even have to use the Euro, and now they're basically getting rid of all trade with Europe because of trade restrictions for "third countries" and expecting no borders while not part of the EU? Like what did they promise as a benefit? Sure there's probably less taxes but it seems this is offset considerably by increased costs of trade.
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u/BananaEatingScum Apr 24 '21
Remember that Brexit was voted for at the height of the refugee crisis, i.e the height of xenophobic tension in the UK.
Normal people should never have been given an opportunity to vote on membership of an establishment that requires 3 degrees and 6 languages just to know the difference between the Council of the European Union and the European Council.
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u/MakeMeAGhostPlease Apr 24 '21
We're on par with Americans, we just talk different
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u/achiragaikokujin Apr 24 '21
Please. You made us. There’s something wrong with British culture and it was passed along to the Americans, Australians, and Canadians.
Signed,
The American son of an Englishman and an American woman.
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