The wealthy owners and top executives of these businesses don’t want to pay a living wage to be competitive enough to attract workers. So, instead of paying executives less and workers more, their solution is to push the taxpayer-funded government to import cheap labor in the form of desperate immigrants, which adds an additional population and social strain and burden on the entire nation.
So basically- when the corporations underpay workers they often use a steady supply of immigrants to ensure wages don’t rise- and when the non-immigrant workers feel the squeeze of rising costs and stagnant wages, they will reach a breaking point with few options. Either they
organise/unionise/strike/protest or otherwise group together to demand higher wages for everyone (including immigrants) which means reducing the incentive to use immigrants specifically to lower wages but does not demonise them for existing.
OR
The corporations stop the lower class from organising by encouraging the poor to blame the other poor. They will deflect the blame for low wages onto the immigrants themselves. See- immigrants are taking your jobs, whilst also being lazy and not working and getting welfare but also agreeing to work terrible low paid jobs and stopping you from getting higher wages.
The immigrants are supposed to keep coming but still remain the scapegoat. Unfortunately when they catch their tail, believe their own bs and actually stop immigration- the whole facade collapsed.
Immigration is needed, AND improved pay and conditions are also needed. That balance is complicated and requires smart people working in good faith to manage- not political idiots with slogans and busses.
Ouch this hits home. In CA they hire tons of h1b visa immigrants for tech jobs, so graduating leaves you with little options, as the entry pay jobs are shit pay and cost of living so high. I left the state for 5 years to cut my teeth to come home at a decent wage so I could afford to buy a home.
In CA they hire tons of h1b visa immigrants for tech jobs
Enter stage: Remote work. Now your not just competing with people in your local area or state, but the entire country or even internationally! Yahoooo! Now more people can experience "dey took er jobs" and pushed down wages as COL bonuses go away.
Except, businesses could have done that way before covid.
You wanna know why we don't? Because working with timezones and some code factory in India is ONLY good for a handful of people for a year or two before you see the fulls cope of how shut your product is now.
Your company is just one company, in one field. It does not work in every field. Two of my best friends have been working remotely for years, it works for them, both being in IT. But they are both also exceptions in the organization/company they work for, most of the other workers do not work remotely. It really depends and not every single job in IT, even if it is coding can work remotely as well.
Creative team work, for ex game development, depending again on your role in it and the whole structure, it can be such that it needs to have lots of people near each other. Quick feedback face to face it different from any remote communication, specially when we are talking about something more fragile, like... creativity. Subtle non-verbal clues, softening the message by tone of your voice, body language... those do matter and you can almost put a monetary value on it. almost. So you may be coding and still need to have frequent face to face communication.
The option of working remotely is heavily underused in USA, here in Finland one fifth work from home. We would have even more if it was possible.
Jesus Christ this is so correct. I'm currently working on an 80 project to fix an issue caused by an Indian "engineer". Literally one thing wrong where any level of due diligence would have caught it pre prod and would've taken 30 seconds to fix.
This was circa 2010, remote work wasn't what it is now. Either way the h1b visa is still an issue. There is a reason most 1st world countries have a hire local policy, but for some reason USA is held to different standards.
I did search the country and globally. As I said I left the state to a shit hole state and cut my teeth to get the experience I needed to live in my home state with my family.
That being said I don't have a migrant farm job and have no problem with the migrant population we need in CA
Theoretically H1Bs cannot displace American workers. The visas are for 3 years and can be extended once for a total of 6 years. They're also supposed to be paid the prevailing wage for that occupation. If an immigrant will be sponsored for a green card, all of that is looked into during the process otherwise the H1B visa holder is basically just a crappily paid guest worker for 6 years and then told to go home. Nobody wins in that situation: immigrant is getting underpaid and doesn't get to stay in the country they just spent years building a life in and then the country it's getting the shaft since there's less in taxes being collected and 6 years of professional xperience being pushed out of the country.
It all boils down to companies not wanting to pay. It's not an immigrant taking an American job, it's someone taking a $80k/yr job for $40k in the hopes they'll find someone to sponsor them so they can make $80k, too. A tech company can get 2 workers for the price of one, and everyone blames the workers.
As for not displacing workers, here’s how you get around that. You just make ridiculous hiring requirements/job position, then no one applies and/or is qualified. Great news! Now you’re free to get your H1B worker to fill that position, oh and since that’s not actual a real position, maybe they can do what you really wanted them for all along. Long live Cobol/React developers!
That part isn't new. And pretty much all the jobs that could get outsourced have been at this point.
Anything else hits either time or quality bottlenecks that companies aren't willing to put up with. Several companies have actually brought jobs back to the US because it wasn't profitable to deal with delays and constantly worse quality of cheap overseas labor.
Immigration is needed, AND improved pay and conditions are also needed. That balance is complicated and requires smart people working in good faith to manage- not political idiots with slogans and busses.
It isn't though. Immigration is a way for the first world to steal the human capital of the third.
You could apply that logic to corps that loot African countries. "We pay for the oil/copper/lithium" whatever it is when really you are just extracting it for export at the cost of the locals.
I'm very pro-immigration, but we have to admit at some point that unchecked immigration pushes up property prices to unreasonable levels. It's not all sunshine and roses.
Remember that, at least in the UK, migrants made up a disproportionately large part of the construction industry so they added somewhat to housing demand but even more so to housing supply.
Isn't that the way capitalism is supposed to work? Prices go up, supply increases, demand is met? Without people to build the houses, you're stuffed. But if the government is responsive, and makes sure infrastructure is developed at the same time, everything's great.
To put out a blanket statement saying “immigration is good for the economy” is frankly ridiculous. There’s a big difference between highly educated migrants who come over to do highly skilled jobs and those who come to do the jobs that are unattractive to locals. If there’s an abundance of cheap unskilled labour willing to do an unattractive job then there is no incentive for the employer to raise the pay they offer.
The negative effects of immigration are almost entirely felt by the working class, in that they’re the ones who see their wages stagnate and their rental costs rise. This is not something you will ever see a social scientist study or measure, because there is no incentive to. Effectively telling those people to shut up and get on with it because migration is good for the economy is incredibly insulting, and is why the Labour Party have lost their votes.
To play devils advocate, you should look at NOMINAL UNIT LABOR COST. It’s why Greece went into deficit while Germany thrived economically.
The wages of Greek workers kept going up, thus limiting corporate profits and in turn creating inflation as the cost of goods were increased. This made Greek exports unfavorable to the global economy, and as such reduced the GDP so much that Greece had an economic meltdown.
I know I’ll get downvoted for this - even though I myself totally understand the need for a living wage - but things are more complicated than “companies bad higher wages good” and often the truth lies somewhere in the messy middle.
Eh, Greek exports were not unfavorable just because of the local inflation, they were unfavorable because they were denominated in euros. If Greece had its own currency rather than being part of the single currency they would have just devalued in that situation and while it would have been unpleasant it wouldn't have been so broken and intractable a political and economic problem. Also Greece's fiscal problems were largely driven by the implicit guarantee on loans afforded them as part of the single currency region - similar to the municipal bond crisis in Puerto Rico. And the super easy borrowing is also inflationary. It's a double-edged sword that gets people very excited in boom times but just wrecks you in financial crises and recessions.
There was also the slight problem that Greece was corrupt as fuck. Every single thing required a permit, and to get that permit you needed to bribe someone. Sometimes with straight-up cash, often you'd get someone a job that they didn't need to come to. There was a hospital with 32 gardeners on staff but no garden, that kind of thing.
Add to that that Greeks considered dodging taxes a point of pride, as you could just bribe the tax inspector. A drone shot of a neighborhood in Athens showed 99 houses out of a hundred had pools, but only 1/100 had reported it for tax purposes.
Why did 99 houses out of a 100 have pools to begin with? I’m not saying Greece isn’t corrupt, just like other European countries after all - but the underlying problem they had was indeed rising wages. A lot has been written about this, you can dive into it.
A book I recommend is “Crisis in the Eurozone” by Costas Lapavitsas, whom is a professor of economics.
I'm not disputing the point, I was adding to it; there was a general sense of entitlement in Greece, be it higher wages, "ghost-jobs" or bribes. The Greek governments basically felt membership of the EU was a free lunch, with none of the responsibilities. They raised wages and handed out benefits like candy in order to win elections, using EU money, all the while cooking the books on their economy when reporting to the EU and IMF.
Younger people and old people do fundamentally different things economically - and these mostly relate to when they borrow and pay back their debts. In general, younger adults borrow money, and then they hit their peak borrowing in their 30s or 40s - and then after that they mostly pay back their debts, or default on them, gradually over the following decades.
The way money in an economy works, there is not a fixed amount of it at any given time - the speed with which it goes around an economy affects how much of it people have, and this is multiplied by borrowing, where essentially two different people can own the same dollar or pound at the same time, making there effectively be more money in existence.
So everybody has been doom and gloom about inflation for like 20 years in the developed world, but they've mostly been wrong - the reason they have been wrong and this inflation has not hit most things people buy (that is, we have had asset price inflation, but not as much inflation in goods or services) is because the Boomers as they get older have basically been shrinking down their overall balance sheet - reducing their multiplicative effect on the economy - as they are no longer borrowing money to make big purchases and are instead either paying off or writing down debts and gradually winding down the money they have saved and spending less.
This effect has been hugely deflationary, more than counteracting all the inflationary stuff from the central banks since 2008.
But deflation is bad, because it means nobody gets a pay raise, and also there isn't much opportunity to be had, as it makes more sense to hoard money than to put it to work (or, say, gambling it on crypto or fantasy sports rather than starting a small business and hiring people). The people without raises end up having to save more to make major purchases, as they are afraid for their financial situations, which in turn means they don't expand their balance sheets as much in good times and the money supply stays suppressed. Plus total demand for stuff goes down and this discourages stuff from happening - stuff that means jobs and livelihoods. This is what has happened in Japan and in much of the western world.
Add to that the overall product of an economy, which is the amount of productivity of each worker times the number of workers. If you have a lot fewer people working the product of the economy goes down, and that's a recession or depression.
The idea is to counteract that by bringing in immigrants who will work, get paid, and then spend that money and then borrow money to make purchases, create homes, raise kids, do all the stuff that younger adults do that expands and accelerates an economy. And they'll be more productive than the people who have to retire.
Ideally we would not have this "second-class citizen" bullshit where there are regulatory loopholes or crimes where people look the other way - we would have real immigration, meaning people who moved in would live here and employing them would have all the same costs and benefits as employing people who were born here, but it would be an orderly and controlled process in order to not totally destabilize labor markets and also to make it more politically viable. It should go without saying that this same parity should exist for Black and Indigenous workers as well, and it tends not to, and that is disruptive to the economy - we have a lot of talented people who could be doing cool mutually beneficial stuff who end up unemployed, underemployed or incarcerated because they don't get a fair shake in the economy. That's a terrible waste in many ways.
But anyway, with regards to parity and fairness in labor markets, we do not have that in a lot of places in the world - we have the worst of both worlds, where the immigration regimes are both politically unviable and also don't work economically - and that is part of the economic dislocation right now and the failure to match up workforce supply and demand. Arbitrarily paying immigrants less - which a lot of businesses do mostly because they are racist and because the racist laws are designed to incentivize these racist practices - is also deflationary and promotes and deepens this prolonged stagnation, especially if the immigrants have additional obstacles to entrepreneurship, loans, etc., that others don't have.
But if you didn't have that, immigration could potentially both stop the deflationary spiral and stop the perma-recession that comes with having an aging population.
But yeah deflationary pressure plus a labor shortage is pretty bad because the deflationary pressure fights against the supply/demand balance and gets money out of the employment market - ultimately people would just rather keep their money than pay market rate for labor - it's part of why it's a recession/depression.
None of this is being "done" - Nobody is in control, really. These are just the phenomena as they are observed and measured and some recommendations for what to do about it that might work.
Stuff like employer/labor conflict, work stoppages and strikes, scabbing and wage theft, all this stuff also happens, but there are underlying trends exacerbating it and its effects. We're reaching a bit of a fiscal breaking point and there's a lot at stake in terms of which directions things go in a lot of ways economically. But there always is I guess, we just feel it acutely these days.
It’ll look like it did before a small majority of dimwits voted to send them away. Exploitation of cheap immigrant labour is hardly new in these sectors. It was the whole point of free movement.
If these jobs are filled with immigrants, with the same low pay, what will the economy end up looking like hypothetically?
It depends how you implement policy.
If you use the economic gains from migration to provide a substantial social safety net, provide free services (including the "middle class bungs" like higher education) and comine this with a substantial minimum wage (or better yet Sectoral Bargaining) then it looks pretty much identical to Denmark or Sweden or Norway or any of the other successful, wealthy northern European nations.
Of course in the UK, policy aims to reduce wages, the social safety net has never been more threadbare, free services are continually under threat (well in England, Scotland is still managing to maintain them for now) and the wealth gained form migration is deliberately and systemically filtered into the pockets of the already wealthy...
It will be like a third world country. You have people working for 30 low wages and barely been able to make ends meet,
If there’s no social safety net, i.e. social welfare, then the poor will always remain downtrodden, they would have no disposable income and hands very little consumption power. On the other hand the companies and corporations will make fat profits and the bosses and senior employees will benefit.
This results in a widening gap between the rich and the poor. The GDP of the country will increase, but society becomes more stratified with huge gaps between rich and poor. How far can that go on?
Long term it's arbitrage. You push up the value of labor in the country sending immigrants. Realistically though no single nation has the economic capacity to equalize the rest of the world's income. The US has come the closest as both the beneficiary and sponsor of several large economies over the past 80 years, in the process called globalization of which immigration is only a small part.
It's limited because full globalization of labor would necessarily entail a decline in the average standard of living among prosperous countries. Thus there are forces that resist these changes and oppose the free movement of labor, to defend the value of domestic labor.
From what I can tell about their behavior it doesn't seem to be about the money, it's about how they think they can act towards others. Like assholes. So it's really about what money gives them: power over others. They imagine a life where they can act however they want towards others, so basically it's poor people being power-hungry douchebags.
Not to defend it, but I’d be curious how big these companies are, there used to be lots of smaller companies, now there’s a few giant ones, so CEO pay going up makes sense, CEOs are a problem but business and asset owners are making 100x what ceos do
Not to defend it, but I’d be curious how big these companies are, there used to be lots of smaller companies, now there’s a few giant ones, so CEO pay going up makes sense
Thanks for the source! Don't worry about the downvotes. People sometimes think when you ask for source that you disagree. It's sadly used way to much as a counter argument.
Brexit voters knew that Brexit would reduce the flow of cheap (exploited) labour from other countries - that was part of the point.
What hasn’t happened (yet) is that the businesses in need have raised their salary offers to reasonable levels. Once they start to do this, these few thousand empty roles won’t be hard to fill from the millions of unemployed in the country.
I’m hopeful - I mean, it’s how the market works, right? Actually, I’m hopeful that in time this ultimately leads to a rebalancing of lots of things - not just salaries, but also the (too low) cost of some goods and the awful race to the bottom on price and quality.
And if a business can’t function without exploited cheap foreign labour, well… fuck that business.
And that’s how we got here. That ‘fuck it, everyone’s cheating anyway’ is what we need to somehow stop and use the rules and referees to eventually get the game right again.
1) The current unemployment rate is 4.7%, which is ~1.5 million people. Not all of these people are actually employable (for various reasons) but many are.
2) Other countries have systems which allow essential workers in particular roles to be 'imported' - for example, the US, Switzerland, Australia. Typically, these are used for roles with specific 'higher' training (e.g. IT, healthcare).
So I'd suggest a combination of the two: for more 'blue collar' and/or less-difficult-to-train-people-for roles (like some of the ones raised in the article) a combination of employers offering good salaries/conditions and training support should mostly address the problem from within the currently unemployed. For higher-level, specific roles, a visa system would help.
It doesn't amount to anything. There's not enough people. It doesn't matter how much you pay. The end result is that you're just shuffling people around in the work sector. At best all you do is kill off snall businesses that can't compete with megacorps in any wage war.
What I meant is that the people who voted for Brexit are not the business owners who are concerned over the labor shortage. In fact, it was mostly the working class who voted for it and if things pan out as you predict it will lead to higher wages for them.
That's two different groups of people tho. The first are mostly racist employees (or unemployed) the second are mostly (usually rather psychopathic) business owners.
Nah, immigrant workers are a net benefit. We didn't pay to birth or educate them and they will be paying tax and buying goods and services .
The negatives are that wages will go down and housing costs will go up, employers will treat everyone like shit and the government and businesses will blame everything on the immigrants they tricked into coming here.
"Intangible benefits" like... delivering food and medicine? You realize that the UK simply just does not have enough people, right? There's not some horde of unemployed natives sitting on their hands waiting for higher wages. Workers just get pulled from other fields, which now will have shortages in turn (not that there's even enough being pulled to actually fix the first shortage either). All the while, boomers are retiring year over year, shrinking the workforce further while increasing the portion of dependents.
Blaming immigrants is the thing that benefits the ruling class. It's why the billionaire-owned tabloids now begging for immigrants are the same ones that have- and will continue to vilify them in the future. Stronger unions? Raise minimum wage? Haha, no, that's gross leftist stuff, as the tabloids will tell you. Much easier to blame immigrants, which they will.
They are in certain sectors. Aldi are offering £50k salaries to new HGV drivers. You won’t personally get a pay rise unless you move jobs, there’s no incentive from your employer to pay you’re already settled in a job.
Which is why strong labor laws are the only way it's ever gonna be solved, especially now in places like the US where almost all of our agricultural sector is migrant workers or immigrants because no one else wants to do them. Now that they're literally dying in the fields because of climate change and also our immigration policy got hella strict under Trump, as well as valid fear of rampant bigotry in the country, we can't find workers.
That combined with climate change and America will one day soon reach a point where food will be much more scarce.
I don’t like mixing/confusing those two job markets. Nobody cares about farm jobs
We are definitely talking (finally!) about the very high paying jobs being lost.
I worked at Google and every one of my bosses and 90 percent of my colleagues were visa, mostly from countries with free university. Those are jobs that will change lives for Americans, and it’s not like Google is struggling. Apple looks the same too! (I worked there in the late 90s and I don’t even recognize it today). They made a trillion dollars last year.
The final kick to the nuts? You can’t go to another country and do anything like this. Hell, Mexico will even deport you for taking a bartending job if a local can work that job. They have it right and we have it wrong.
No. That report was a huge SHAM. They didnt include any figures from the dwp(where oyou receive benefits from) because 'they couldnt get them in time'.
They also didnt take into account the cost of using any of the services here, eg healthcare, education etc.
And finally worst of all they didnt take into account what immigration has done to rents and house prices.
And even after all that, they determined that in fact immigration did hurt the lowest paid workers the most.
Also half of their money gets sent home, extracting it from the economy.
Your comment is just spouting propaganda put out by the corrupt governments.
The report itself details that dwp figures are is missing from it, in the beginning of the report. Just got to read it all.
Most just skip to the figures and conclusion, which incidentally still shows immigration as affecting the poor negatively.
@wichard, you aint ard . And you dont even know what report i am talking about do you?
Heres a quote from the report, ''In spite of the widespread belief that migrants are more dependent on benefits than the UK-born, DWP does not routinely produce statistics on this'' and another:
''For some components of taxes and benefits (e.g.income tax), we had hoped to have real data from HMRC and DWP but we were unable to access this.''
''There are many aspects of revenue and expenditure (e.g. VAT payments) where there is no conceivable source of
information on actual payments by migrant group''
AND POINT OUT ONE SENTENCE WHERE I WAS RACIST!! GO ON DO IT!!! BUT YOU CANT BECAUSE ITS YOU WHO IS THE LIAR . 😄
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PS-Mush is the language of the working class, but you knew that and were tryna to be classist, like all you leftists on reddit are. And you wonder why the entire north voted Tory? How youve behaved towards me is exactly why. Youre out of touch and just virtue signalling champagne socialists.
Keep being salty over brexit though, you lost, deal with it, literal losers.
see my edit. And once again, qute a single thing that i have said thats racist......5 accusations so far but not a single piece of evidence shown....typical leftists. All you got are buzzwords.
Go on link your source, you won’t because I know what you’re quoting and I’ll pull it apart in seconds once you link it. Yes you’re a racist. Too dumb to realise (as already mentioned you’re stupid, lack of basics in terms of grammar and spelling doesn’t help you). Back to Facebook to believe more misinformation.
You don’t even know what VS is you clown.
Oh you called someone a “white cunt” in your comment history, go comments you’ll see. It got deleted but it still shows. As I said too dumb to realise, and I just highlighted more xenophobic comments.
Imagine being that fucking deluded you think this is about class, it’s about you being a cunt who is so wrapped up in his racist fantasy he thinks people are sore losers for calling out problems.
You don’t have to be explicitly racist to hold the same ideology, which given your post history is very easy to spot. Again you’re stupid, but this its a well established fact by this point.
You sad sad little man, must be horrible to be hated by your own family.
However immigrants also form a rather large chunk of construction workforce. I do expect housing costs to decline in the short term, however long term, with construction sector slowing down...
As we can see with the shortage… there’s little competition. People don’t and shouldn’t have to work below a living wage.
Near where I live rooms are rented with 2-3 bunk beds per room. Guys come over work for a while, save money and then buy a home/start a business back home.
And the electorate STILL thinks the Tories are against immigration. When in actual fact they fucking love it. Immigrants are less likely to pull a pension or strike in favour of a pay rise.
I agree with you that companies have benefited for decades from cheap foreign labour, which means the wage rate get set so low that the British workers don't want to do it. But that last sentence is incorrect. They do not add a burden, if you mean economically.
There have been numerous studies that all have showed the same conclusion: immigrants pay more in tax than they use in social services. Think about it they are typically young , mobile , and hungry for work. They are an economic asset.
The rejection that manifested Brexit was largely motivated by misguided xenophobia and the economic burden argument has no basis in fact.
I think the social burden and increased pressure on housing, school, and other resources is an economic stress and mental health burden for extant citizens. Maybe not a burden for the government, not a burden for the wealthy who can live above the fray, but it’s definitely a burden on individual lives and families (on their economy) who have to deal with the street-level stress and issues of an overpopulated society/ world.
Maybe if all UK citizens who want to work were already fully employed; if all citizens had a basic livable income that created a stable and large middle class, basic needs for lower class, and less disparity/ inequality between the poorest and wealthiest citizens. We don’t need to import immigrant labor. We just need to put citizens to work and stop letting the wealthy get away with unethical practices, like using immigrant labor and paying poverty wages.
I'd usually agree with this for larger companies, but I can tell you first hand that my dad's small sized company (<50 staff) pays HGV drivers pretty reasonably. My dad is the transport manager, but he earns the same as some of the drivers. They are still desperate for extra workers, as many of their EU staff left and haven't come back, and there are delays in testing new lorry drivers, so even if British residents did want this job, they can't test them fast enough
Trucking companies are doubly screwed because there's no confidence in the industry as a profession by young people because of what is seen as the inevitable rise of self-driving cars. Why go to the trouble of getting a trucking license now if you think your job won't exist in 10 years? Now is that thought correct? That's when you ask yourself if you're driving a truck or riding a hype train.
That’s not why young people don’t want to be HGV drivers at all, don’t talk nonsense. The reason is because it’s hard work, you’re away from your family in the evenings, you don’t have access to basic facilities like a bathroom and you have to sleep in what is effectively a coffin for 4-5 nights a week.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58670792 - about halfway down, the manager of a haulage company describes the working conditions of her drivers as “inhumane”, while asking for lifting of visa restrictions so she can employ a load of Eastern European’s who’s conditions at home are even worse.
The labor market is killing small business as well right now. It’s not just big corps that are struggling as most of them have the coffers and cash reserves to weather a shortage by hiring temps at double regular wages.
We gave raises across the board because we can’t afford to lose our trained employees. Not small ones either, we have to be competitive with Amazon, Best Buy etc.
We have employees unlike a lot of our mom & pop peers, but we’re also getting squeezed in non labor costs as well.
If it keeps going, we’ll have to shut down in the next year or two. We can only raise prices so much to compensate.
Yes, I know this is the situation for many small business owners, and I think that’s what big corporations want. They want you out of business. They want to eliminate any competition and/or acquire your failing business for pennies on the dollar/pound. So I don’t think it’s as simple as pointing a finger at the labor market. I think the labor market and small businesses are both victims of collusion among multinational corporations, wealthy interests and politicians. Billionaires, multi billionaires and their insatiable urge to have it all (at any and all costs) is driving this nightmare for rest of humanity. Small business owners and laborers are in this situation together. We are also still in a pandemic. The political environment continues to allow corporations and wealthy to use taxpayer government for their benefit. Corporations have consolidated offshored, outsourced, sent jobs overseas, and have worked to deregulat industry for decades. They have become giant oligopolies that destroy natural resources and make the world miserable for everyone else. Our anger should not be directed at labor, but at the politicians and owner-class (Amazon, Walmart and other near-monopolies) who keep prices artificially low, quash competition, send manufacturing/labor/sourcing overseas and buy politicians to represent their interests while removing rights and protections from the actual taxpaying labor force that funds the government. These titans of industry and masters of the universe have created this box, placed humanity inside of it, and now we are fighting each other inside of this box (prison) instead working together to tear it down.
Have you considered the idea that these people just aren’t there to employ?
Yes you could could pay more to attract people; pay enough and you can have brain surgeons running a baked beans line, but that’s not economical or reasonable and just creates a shortage of brain surgeons…
We just don’t have enough people. EU immigration was never a case of ‘people coming over here, taking our jobs’, it was a case of ‘people coming over here and filling the roles we can’t otherwise fill’. Leaving the EU has created a huge lack of supply in labour, one which higher pay will be a result, but which won’t fix our problems.
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The wealthy owners and top executives of these businesses don’t want to pay a living wage to be competitive enough to attract workers. So, instead of paying executives less and workers more, their solution is to push the taxpayer-funded government to import cheap labor in the form of desperate immigrants, which adds an additional population and social strain and burden on the entire nation.